Disassociation of thoughts?

TiredThinker September 05, 2022 at 05:46 3800 views 18 comments
From google disassociation is defined as:

"Disconnection and lack of continuity between thoughts, memories, surroundings, actions, and identity."

Now keeping this more general definition in mind and steering clear of psychiatry disorders, isn't it fair to say our thoughts can't have perfect continuity, and our ability of connecting similar things in a meaningful way is relative? Or can disassociation be a measure of creativity or an extention to logic that other people simply don't understand, but can still be purposeful?

I think of one of my favorite bits from Futurama and think our ability to connect two things can always be closer, but usually we can't measure how close they are as something else seems to always be conceivable.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q-RUHhCzgxI

Comments (18)

Agent Smith September 05, 2022 at 08:24 #736149
Saltus in demonstrando (leap in explaining).


Definition: A leap in logic, by which a necessary part of an equation is omitted.

I've always had difficulty in distinguishing

1. Isn't true

From

2. I haven't yet found the/a proof

Vide argumentum ad ignorantiam & the divine fallacy (I feel they're relevant somehow).
Cuthbert September 05, 2022 at 10:37 #736180
Whenever I eat a madeleine cake I'm reminded of my over-privileged upbringing in the withered remains of late nineteenth century French aristocracy.
Joshs September 05, 2022 at 13:27 #736215
Reply to TiredThinker


Quoting TiredThinker
isn't it fair to say our thoughts can't have perfect continuity, and our ability of connecting similar things in a meaningful way is relative? Or can disassociation be a measure of creativity or an extention to logic that other people simply don't understand, but can still be purposeful?


The experience of disassociation is another name for confusion and unintelligibility. This is only creative if it motivates us to find ways of relating what is incoherent.



Joshs September 05, 2022 at 13:31 #736216
Reply to Agent Smith Quoting Agent Smith
I've always had difficulty in distinguishing

1. Isn't true

From

2. I haven't yet found the/a proof


You willl never find a proof for the pattens of relationship that matter most in our lives, since they are designed not to replicate static facts , but as channels for anticipating and organizing dynamically changing aspects of the world.
TiredThinker September 06, 2022 at 01:26 #736459
As far as disassociation as a disease symptom there is also depersonalization-derealization. If disassociation can only mean confusion can one imagine things seeming more real versus confusing? Ultra real where everything seems super clear, and nobody can deny that person's lucidity?

Maybe disassociation was a poor word since it is psychiatric. Just in general there will always be a closer association between any two things or concepts so it is relative?
Josh Alfred September 06, 2022 at 02:14 #736482
Reply to TiredThinker There is a discontinuity of thought that gives one a sense of freedom.

I can imagine realms of insanity, where impoverished continuity may result in dysfunctional or non-functional behavior, as in the case of some psychotics. The mind demands continuity between events so as not to writhe into craze.

Some times continuity is relative other times it is mutual. When giving out commands, the communication must be shared, the continuity mutual, or else the event can not happen as desired.

“Please get me a cup of water,” any rational adult knowing English can understand and form a method for putting their thoughts into motion. The command has a continuity to it. “Please leaf the willow tree into sausage,” is obviously a discontinuity, that and nonsense. Both examples give one the distinction.

Here is an article https://theologiansinc.wordpress.com/2013/10/27/chesterton-hume-contingency-and-causality/ I would suggest reading more on Hume to get a better understanding of the philosophy of continuity. One could also think in comparative terms of chaos theory and methodological science, though I know of no formulated comparison.
Agent Smith September 06, 2022 at 02:55 #736493
Quoting Joshs
You willl never find a proof for the pattens of relationship that matter most in our lives, since they are designed not to replicate static facts , but as channels for anticipating and organizing dynamically changing aspects of the world


Gracias for the warning but as they say "never say never ... "
L'éléphant September 06, 2022 at 03:26 #736501
Sorry. I don't understand this thread at all.
TiredThinker September 06, 2022 at 04:08 #736511
Reply to Josh Alfred

Thanks. I will read more hume. Chaos theory more physics or is there a philosophy version I should look for?
Agent Smith September 06, 2022 at 04:14 #736513
Quoting L'éléphant
Sorry. I don't understand this thread at all.


Isn't that the gist of the OP, mon ami?
L'éléphant September 06, 2022 at 04:50 #736516
Quoting Agent Smith
Isn't that the gist of the OP, mon ami?

Sharp!!
Agent Smith September 06, 2022 at 04:54 #736517
Quoting L'éléphant
Sharp!!


You jest of course!
L'éléphant September 06, 2022 at 04:58 #736518
Quoting Agent Smith
You jest of course!

Non. C'est vrai.
Agent Smith September 06, 2022 at 05:04 #736519
Reply to L'éléphant

[quote=Pierre-Simon Laplace]Il est facile de voir que [...][/quote]
L'éléphant September 06, 2022 at 05:18 #736522
Agent Smith September 06, 2022 at 05:21 #736524
TiredThinker September 07, 2022 at 03:35 #736822
I posted in bio forum too. I am curious what brain function makes a person convinced the world is less real.

Are you both French? I think I've seen Agent Smith speak it often enough.
Agent Smith September 07, 2022 at 03:56 #736828
Reply to TiredThinker As far as I can see, people aren't convinced the world isn't real. Skepticism doesn't work that way - all it does is raise a possibility, an alternative to what we (think we) know and then shows how the two are adiaphora (indistinguishable). That means pragmata (stuff, sensu amplissimo) are anepikrita (undecidable). What follows is aporia (bewilderment) which leads to ataraxia (tranquility).

No, I'm not French, but I wish I was :chin: ; just watched too much Hercule Poirot, that's all.