The Twerk That Shook the Nation

praxis October 02, 2022 at 03:44 6050 views 25 comments


I guess it's no surprise that conservatives would freak about something like this, though their reasoning is strange. Ben Crocker writes in an article published in The Federalist:

It is the twerk that seems to evince in any crowd a manifest succumbing to the worst angels of our natures. The brainless shrieks of approval, the demented adulation for an unveiled sexuality not content with mere liberality, but further possessed of a flippant, aggressive, and unapologetically performative disposition.

And all the more to applaud you see, because James Madison – James Madison! – bore symbolic witness to the madness.

Can she really do that in the presence of the founding fathers?

Of course she can. And the prepossessed audacity to exhibit that behavior — the banality, the crudity, the do-what-I-wantity — whilst in that hallowed presence, is the whole point of the exercise.

For this is the culture that delights in the desecration of the sacred. The desecration that is sometimes unthinkingly casual, but often deliberately profane.


Desecration of the sacred?

Personally, I think it's beautiful that James Madison bore symbolic witness to a black woman's bold expression of empowerment, particularly because James was a typical slaveholder. He owned over a hundred human beings at one point, worked them from dawn to dusk, and never freed any of them.

Do-what-I-fucking-wantity indeed.

From what I briefly gather Madison wasn't particularly religious and wasn't a musician, so I assume his hallowedness is essentially founded on his being a leader of the nation. Traditionalists revere their leaders. The problem is that in modernity there are no true traditionalists. Pretty much everyone can categorize art, religion, politics, and the state. No one believes that the American presidency is somehow tied to God like a link in the great chain of being, least of all Ben Crocker who is highly critical and disrespectful of the current president of the United States. Would he care if Lizzo twerked while playing Biden's flute? No.

Lizzo was classically trained since childhood, btw. Here she is playing with the NY Philharmonic.



So what do you think, sacred or profane?

Comments (25)

Agent Smith October 02, 2022 at 04:28 #744012
From one naya, profanity, from another, liberty. C'est la vie, mon ami! We either embrace freedom in every possible manner and at the same time desecrate or we curb our enthusiasm, in doing so show some respect for the sacred. Tough call, oui mes amies?

One person, a woman, once reprimanded me, rather obliquely, that, basically, there's eating and there's dining - two very different things! No points for guessing whether I was eating or dining at the table.
Olivier5 October 02, 2022 at 06:56 #744043
She's not even twerking... :groan:
I like sushi October 02, 2022 at 06:59 #744047
Great title. Other than that I am not quite sure why I should care at all about this?

Are people that bored that this is actually ‘news’ now?
Deus October 02, 2022 at 09:51 #744061
What was that ? insulting a dead slave owner by playing his flute or complimenting him Â… what actually happened and what was her message ?

praxis October 02, 2022 at 17:14 #744125
Quoting I like sushi
I am not quite sure why I should care at all about this?


I think the question is what Lizzo's art stands for versus what the art of the crystal flute stands for.

I think it's undeniable that Lizzo's art stands for the empowerment of the marginalized, to some degree at least. She's a large woman, for instance, and unabashedly celebrates her shape. In some sense she is asking us to see beauty where we typically do not. That's what worthwhile art does.

The flute was made by Claude Laurent, a Parisian watchmaker and mechanic, in honor of MadisonÂ’s second inauguration. Apparently, the crystal flute is a novelty item and Lizzo is the first to have played the instrument so it's not revered for its performance quality.

I suppose the flute most distinctively stands for, by mere association/ownership, a particular founding father of the nation, James Madison. What does Madison stand for? Certainly not wokeness. Does that mean that the flute stands for anti-wokeness? It does, because people like Ben Crocker and Ben Shapiro are essentially saying that it does and those who are oblivious may follow their lead. It is their choice to claim what the flute stands for.
introbert October 02, 2022 at 17:39 #744133
There is something to be said about the interplay of symbols in cultural life. In an important event like a state funeral, all the symbols are on point and anything out of place will be heaped with criticism. There is a cogency of symbols in most situations, even ones that are not formal, which define the culture of the people and the events. When something from one culture is appropriated by another culture, there is usually a controversy of some message being conveyed, at least sub-textually. This in some respects is like an artifact from a higher regarded society being used or appropriated by a lower regarded society. Any of the entitlements that lower society has to it, or perceptions of diminishing its value will be criticized in various ways. On the other hand, the possession of artifacts held by colonial powers of colonized peoples are only now being looked at in a negative light. On the surface without evaluation or analysis this is just a person playing a flute, but on another cognitive level it is an interplay of symbols like a political cartoon. This is the nature of events where the symbols are not entirely uniform.
Nils Loc October 02, 2022 at 18:02 #744142
When Trump sells James Madison's crystal flute after the next American civil war, Lizzo's playing of the flute will have added to its selling value.
I like sushi October 02, 2022 at 18:15 #744145
Quoting praxis
I think it's undeniable that Lizzo's art stands for the empowerment of the marginalized


What is her art? She is a musician right? Does she always make music about such a topic? Is she particularly political?

Deus October 02, 2022 at 18:27 #744148
I think the topic here is over thought. [b]


It ainÂ’t over till the fat lady sings.



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praxis October 02, 2022 at 19:57 #744178
Quoting Nils Loc
When Trump sells James Madison's crystal flute after the next American civil war, Lizzo's playing of the flute will have added to its selling value.


That's a good point. Rather than defiling the object as some claim, Lizzo actually raised its value, and I would guess that it also, by design, raised awareness of treasures that the Library of Congress holds. How many Americans knew that there are crystal flutes, much less that Jimmyboy owned one and it could be seen at the Library of Congress? Few, I think.
praxis October 02, 2022 at 20:00 #744181
Quoting I like sushi
What is her art? She is a musician right? Does she always make music about such a topic? Is she particularly political?


I gave my impression of her as a performer or brand, if you will.
praxis October 02, 2022 at 20:01 #744182
Quoting Deus
I think the topic here is over thought.

It ainÂ’t over till the fat lady sings.


It's hard enough to take this seriously without half-baked jokes being thrown into the mix.
praxis October 02, 2022 at 20:05 #744184
Quoting introbert
the possession of artifacts held by colonial powers of colonized peoples are only now being looked at in a negative light


Your meaning is not clear. Could you please rephrase this for added clarity?
introbert October 02, 2022 at 20:24 #744195
I don't know you well enough to say something that might be understandable to you, but I think you have identified the central idea to this situation from my block of text to indicate that you have made some sense of it. The artifact in this situation, the flute, was held by a symbolically colonized person and the artifact was owned by a colonizer and owner of slaves. In the case of artifacts held by a colonizer of a colonized African nation, critics on 'the left' will use the return of them as progress towards decolonization. In this case critics on 'the right' will use Lizzo's possession of the artifact as they have to proclaim something degenerative or decadent about the state of the world.
I like sushi October 02, 2022 at 21:28 #744222
Reply to introbert but generally 99.9999999999999999999% of people do not give a flying fuck I suspect.

I think this is a case of people imaging people care and that the people imagining this care are also imaginary.

Praxis must be taking the piss Â… nothing else makes sense.
introbert October 02, 2022 at 21:33 #744223
Reply to I like sushi I'm pretty interested in this kind of thing, but I found no meaning in her playing the flute.
praxis October 03, 2022 at 02:41 #744303
Quoting introbert
I don't know you well enough to say something that might be understandable to youÂ…


IÂ’m fluent in English, if thatÂ’s helpful for you to know about me.

What most interests me is the part where you touch on “only now being looked at in a negative light”. What’s that about? Can you please elucidate on that?
Merkwurdichliebe October 04, 2022 at 20:33 #745021
Quoting Deus
I think the topic here is over thought.

It ainÂ’t over till the fat lady sings.


Quoting praxis
It's hard enough to take this seriously without half-baked jokes being thrown into the mix.


The only thing serious about this spectacle is how horribly offended my eyeballs have become after seeing such a disgusting whale wearing a hooker costume.
Deus October 04, 2022 at 20:35 #745022
Reply to Merkwurdichliebe

YouÂ’re simply describing the way things are Â… if she was to devote her time to eating less hotdogs and going for some excercise Â… in 6 months time youÂ’d pay for an hour of her companyÂ…

And she plays a mean flute.
praxis October 04, 2022 at 20:39 #745023
Quoting Merkwurdichliebe
hooker costume


Where do you live where streetwalkers can afford an outfit like that?
praxis October 04, 2022 at 20:57 #745025
Anyway, getting back to the topic, I think that @introbert may have been attempting to introduce the concept of presentism to the issue, thought better of it, and then wisely chose to abandon the discussion. Presentism is the uncritical adherence to present-day attitudes, especially the tendency to interpret past events in terms of modern values and concepts.

Back in the day slavery and genocide were a-okay, or so say the anti-presentists. Everyone was doing it, and doing it was legal. It wasn't a-okay with those enslaved or in the process of being slaughtered, of course, and in fact we modern folk still value freedom and life. Imagine that, after two hundred years of progress and change, people still value freedom and life. The more things change the more they stay the same, it seems, doesn't it?
introbert October 04, 2022 at 22:05 #745058
Reply to praxis Sorry I work a day job and didn't have time to respond. I wasn't thinking of presentism, although that is interesting. It's actually a very complex reason why things have changed the way they have. I think the simple reason is that everyone in the world potentially has a voice now, so it is rather difficult to do unjust things.
Merkwurdichliebe October 05, 2022 at 00:56 #745146
Quoting Deus
YouÂ’re simply describing the way things are Â… if she was to devote her time to eating less hotdogs and going for some excercise Â… in 6 months time youÂ’d pay for an hour of her companyÂ…


Never. I doubt she could crack the 300 barrier with diey and exercise alone. Behemoths like that require major surgery to slim down to a healthy weight.

Quoting Deus
And she plays a mean flute.


That is always a plus in my book. Nevertheless, she is still a vomitous specimen to look at in that hooker costume.
Merkwurdichliebe October 05, 2022 at 01:01 #745153
Quoting praxis
Where do you live where streetwalkers can afford an outfit like that?


You would be surprised at the amount a good pimp will pay for clothes for his hoes.
javi2541997 October 05, 2022 at 05:33 #745230
Quoting Merkwurdichliebe
You would be surprised at the amount a good pimp will pay for clothes for his hoes.


:up: :sparkle:

They invest in show their products in the storefront.