Premodernism and postmodernism
I have confessed that I have a fixation on the concept of irony. To me irony is a cheap and easy way, a fix, to exercise the part of my brain that seems to demand philosophical thought. My thoughts on irony extend to its nature as a form of argument, an antagonism, an object of confusion, an element of humor, a threat to objectivity, a method of subjectivism and more. Beyond these thoughts, I have sort of developed an idea that approaches grand (or master or meta) narrative. This idea situates me in a meaningful history when the historical context of my birth and the events that have unfolded in my life are all explained. At the end you will find this kind of idea ironic as it is contrary to an ironic worldview. Perplexing?
The narrative of world and personal history goes like this: In the premodern period, it is said in the mythos of my heritage, that our monks saved the ancient works of early Western civilization at the fall of Rome preceding the Dark Ages. These works include those of Plato. My personal mythos is that these monks identified the nature of the irony present in Plato's work from the method of Socrates to the allegory of the cave, and the similarity of the words Eiron and Irony to the name, dominant ethos or characteristic of their own nation. As such the works survived rather than being destroyed. The preservation of these works eventually led to the Renaissance and Enlightenment and so on. The Enlightenment is strongly connected to the works of Rene Descartes who was associated with the House of Orange which became connected to both science as well as Protestantism (Calvinism). The latter of these two elements, according to Weber, was involved in the rationalization of society during the Modern period. They also featured in the history of the nation with the mythos of preserving the foundations of irony. This history is marked by a kind of unconventional irony of doing the opposite of what you would expect. Example: Your nation is cut off from supplies and reinforcements, a larger and more powerful nation with immense support from continental Europe is demanding you submit to them, yet you the definitive underdog, ironically, attack first.
What can be said about this Modern period where rationalizations can be considered anti-ironic? They are composed of rationality, ethics, discipline, objectivity and a form of scientific truth, which to act or believe the opposite is ironic given the realist, positivist nature of the expectations. Rationalization has at times been imposed at a blistering pace as in industrialization, but at other times proceeded with a snail's pace such as with medical/ health rationality. Now that medical rationality has become more pervasive something like smoking cigarettes, which was at one time expected, has become a sort of ironic action given that the circumstances such as monetary cost and the importance of health set certain expectations. Rationalizations, such as this, led to a movement in philosophy called post-modernism which is distinctly ironic. There are various proofs of this contention, but the simplest is that the various pomo works each attempt to derail different elements of the project of modernity that so much expectation has been applied on people to develop. This is at the level of social institutions.
So that is a very condensed summary for the purposes of quick communication of premodernism to postmodernism and the personal master-meta-grandnarrative I have ironically created to substantiate my own thoughts and actions, and to understand history as it has unfolded in the last millennia or so.
The narrative of world and personal history goes like this: In the premodern period, it is said in the mythos of my heritage, that our monks saved the ancient works of early Western civilization at the fall of Rome preceding the Dark Ages. These works include those of Plato. My personal mythos is that these monks identified the nature of the irony present in Plato's work from the method of Socrates to the allegory of the cave, and the similarity of the words Eiron and Irony to the name, dominant ethos or characteristic of their own nation. As such the works survived rather than being destroyed. The preservation of these works eventually led to the Renaissance and Enlightenment and so on. The Enlightenment is strongly connected to the works of Rene Descartes who was associated with the House of Orange which became connected to both science as well as Protestantism (Calvinism). The latter of these two elements, according to Weber, was involved in the rationalization of society during the Modern period. They also featured in the history of the nation with the mythos of preserving the foundations of irony. This history is marked by a kind of unconventional irony of doing the opposite of what you would expect. Example: Your nation is cut off from supplies and reinforcements, a larger and more powerful nation with immense support from continental Europe is demanding you submit to them, yet you the definitive underdog, ironically, attack first.
What can be said about this Modern period where rationalizations can be considered anti-ironic? They are composed of rationality, ethics, discipline, objectivity and a form of scientific truth, which to act or believe the opposite is ironic given the realist, positivist nature of the expectations. Rationalization has at times been imposed at a blistering pace as in industrialization, but at other times proceeded with a snail's pace such as with medical/ health rationality. Now that medical rationality has become more pervasive something like smoking cigarettes, which was at one time expected, has become a sort of ironic action given that the circumstances such as monetary cost and the importance of health set certain expectations. Rationalizations, such as this, led to a movement in philosophy called post-modernism which is distinctly ironic. There are various proofs of this contention, but the simplest is that the various pomo works each attempt to derail different elements of the project of modernity that so much expectation has been applied on people to develop. This is at the level of social institutions.
So that is a very condensed summary for the purposes of quick communication of premodernism to postmodernism and the personal master-meta-grandnarrative I have ironically created to substantiate my own thoughts and actions, and to understand history as it has unfolded in the last millennia or so.
Comments (28)
Rorty: Yes. I haven't thought much about his exact position on it, such as the implications of his interpretation of irony, but I think it is one of the fluid possibilities for it.
In the iconoclastic 1960s, coming from a non-philosophical Modernist background, Postmodern irony just seemed annoying to me. For example, postmodern architecture tended to turn formerly pretentious buildings & monuments into play-toys. In general, Postmodernism seems to be intended to knock the props (logic & science) from under arrogant Modern reasoning, with withering Skepticism : ironically a key tool of the scientific method.
This not a completely new innovation of PM though. Since antiquity, for some philosophers, an attitude of smirking irony was used to make them seem smarter than the gullible herds. The ancient antidote to that sophistry though was the Socratic method of questioning assumptions, including those of the skeptic. So now, I just smile knowingly at expressions of PM irony, and search my own opinions for signs of hauteur. :smile:
Postmodern Irony :
In their view, postmodernist irony is a form of blank parody, a cannibalization of old styles that is not inspired by a genuine historicism and ultimately turns cultural tradition into a set of dusty spectacles deprived of any value and unable to add meaning to the present.
https://sk.sagepub.com/reference/encyclopedia-of-humor-studies/i7888.xml
The assumption that Socrates is faking the report of his being ignorant is one way to listen to the texts. It is interesting to read Theaetetus with this question in mind. Plato's later efforts seem directed toward getting past the limits of what was said in that dialogue. And yet that dialogue shows Plato working at his very best.
What's up with that?
It seems to me that post modernism has a faith in the beyond of reason and wants to escape this world, expecting to wake up in it once again. Old school Hegel believed in objective truth and had spiritual faith. PM doesn't like the idea of spiritual if it's connected to religion
For Deleuze, all singularities are pre-individual. All singularities belong to multiplicities and cannot be understood outside of the assemblages to which they belong
Postmodernism does split intellect into its spheres. Objectivity and reason itself being singular are tightly bound to each other. To learn arithmetic creative intelligence is needed. Numbers are created and then analyzed by the mind. When you first learned 1 plus 1 is 2, you didn't simply find another 1 and that was it. A summation happened, which is a creation. This means intelligence is not a continuum but a principle, and the reality of truth is seen when intellect unites its various parts
Exactly. Only the ends of a spectrum, the poles (absolutes) , can observe the middleground (relativism) but the middle cannot see the ends.
I just wanted to elaborate a little bit on this point. I use this as a simple to understand example of my perception of irony in action, which can be extrapolated easily to other things. In the example you have two opposing expectations, notice that they are opposing but not ironic. In the first expectation - to smoke - it is not really ironic to oppose. The expectation is weak. In the second expectation - not to smoke- there is scientific medical evidence that it hurts and kills you, there are signs everywhere that say not to smoke, rationalized people will tell you not to smoke around them, the price of cigarettes are artificially inflated so the financial cost is high, yet you smoke. The expectation is strong. So that can be one factor in irony, the degree that the expectation is justified. What does this have to do with rationalization? Rationalization is compelling on thought and behavior as its method of justification appeals to reason. To oppose it, as in irony, is irrational.
So reason is ironic? If so, is that the same as being oaradoxical?
This is not so paradoxical for ironic actions, but for discursive actions it is quite paradoxical as the reasoning can be quite advanced for the irrationality that results.
Following fate indeed can be a mistake. To be free someone should not be trapped by paradox
Freedom implies faith in the face of paradox. Those who erase the paradoxes miss the point. Fate is a meaningless word most of the time
So you seem to be saying that there is substantial irony and accidental irony. Is there a Platonic Form for irony? Idn. I was wondering recently if change has a Form. Things change if the Forms shift, but what records the change itself. I guess it's just contingent. But this gets into questions of receptivity vs spontaneity. That we receive everything in life and yet are the creators of our lives is ironic and even beautiful. If philosophy no longer feels strange someone they probably aren't doing it correctly