Can God eat us?

Agent Smith December 28, 2022 at 09:18 7500 views 38 comments
I mean is God eating us?

Why do I ask?

Well, we seem ok killing & consuming animals and that can only be for reasons that revolve around differences between humans and animals. Whatever these differences are, they're finite.

Now come to the difference between God and man - surely, as conceived in religions, God is infinitely greater than puny humans.

Now answer the question.

Comments (38)

TheMadMan December 28, 2022 at 11:10 #767113
Reply to Agent Smith Relationship between humans and animals is material.
Relationship between God and man (in cases where there is one) transcends matter.
So one has to take God eating us as a metaphor.

Quoting Agent Smith
Now answer the question.


It is an interesting metaphor but half complete, I would say.
If God eats us, God must also give birth to us.
Agent Smith December 28, 2022 at 13:00 #767131
Reply to TheMadMan Can you complete the metaphor for me?

You might wanna look into the consequences of the point you made.
TheMadMan December 28, 2022 at 13:56 #767137
Agent Smith December 28, 2022 at 14:02 #767138
Quoting TheMadMan
I did


I'm sorry but I don't see it. Can you be more explicit? Gracias.

It is quite interesting that you brought the issue of materialism up - animals, that includes us, are material, and then there's God. There's animals, there's us, there's God. You see anything intriguing in there?
TheMadMan December 28, 2022 at 14:22 #767140
Quoting Agent Smith
Can you be more explicit?


Ah you are making me think. Its usually a drag.
In my metaphor matter is not separated from God.
If you want some entertaining picture:
God eats us, secretes us, we become the humus,which the creates the fruit, we are the fruit, God eats the fruits, secretes it, and so on.

Quoting Agent Smith
There's animals, there's us, there's God. You see anything intriguing in there?


Hmmmm. There is God. In it there's animals, there's us. They do not stand on the same ground.

Agent Smith December 28, 2022 at 14:32 #767142
Reply to TheMadMan

Nice! Is there any logic to this what appears to be a cycle of eating-secretion-eating-secreting-eating ... ad infinitum? It just is?

TheMadMan December 28, 2022 at 14:37 #767146
Reply to Agent Smith It just is.
Logic applies to the limited not to the eternal.
Agent Smith December 28, 2022 at 15:14 #767159
Reply to TheMadMan That's on old game you're playing mon ami.
TheMadMan December 28, 2022 at 15:19 #767160
Reply to Agent Smith The truth, if true, is never old. For the old belongs in time whilst the truth, if true, is timeless.
Agent Smith December 28, 2022 at 15:54 #767166
Quoting TheMadMan
The truth, if true, is never old. For the old belongs in time whilst the truth, if true, is timeless.


:up: So what you're saying is just an idea you had and nothing more. It just is!
TheMadMan December 28, 2022 at 16:04 #767169
Reply to Agent Smith When it is spoken, it is and idea. When experienced, it is the unspoken truth.

The wave function collapses into a particle.
The word is the collapse of the Truth into a unit, thus turning it into 'just an idea'.
Nils Loc December 28, 2022 at 19:32 #767201
Pantheism = God is in all things

Relative distinctions then collapse or they're arbitrary with respect to God.

As I thrust the knife into my pig Marl's throat, I whispered: "Even God must end."

Later that week I smelled the rich scent of Marl's pork belly sizzling in God's pan.

"Oh God, why does the scent of bacon entice me to murder you, our kin?"

There was no answer but a mental picture of God enthralled in a terrifying bliss or horror of self-consumption.

"I felt disgust as I was eating Marl. She was God. And I was God. Together we are one, always eating one another in some form or another."

The disgust bloomed to a fever pitch of madness, whereupon I stabbed myself in the heart.

And now I am just a machine narrator (God), fleshless and free of sin, for the many happenstances of God.

Sir2u December 29, 2022 at 00:57 #767268
Quoting TheMadMan
God eats us, secretes us, we become the humus,which the creates the fruit, we are the fruit, God eats the fruits, secretes it, and so on.


The very thought that we might be nought but god shite is something I I would rather not contemplate.
:fear:
Agent Smith December 29, 2022 at 02:36 #767288
Reply to TheMadMan That's interesting. It just is. There's no reason why it just is, it just is. I could say the same thing you know. How would you respond?
Agent Smith December 29, 2022 at 02:39 #767289
Reply to Nils Loc Nice short short story. I just wanna make sense of nonvegetarianism, that's all. There are certain ideas at play that seem imply that God can eat us. @TheMadMan claims that the difference between God and us humans is not the same as that between us and animals. Do you agree?
TheMadMan December 29, 2022 at 07:53 #767321
Reply to Agent Smith
Yes you can say anything and then just add 'it just is'.

1. A sculpture of a pyramid is on my table.
2. A sculpture of a pyramid made of diamond is on my table.
3. The pyramid of Giza is on my table.

There are different levels of possibility-impossibility.
Agent Smith December 29, 2022 at 08:04 #767325
Reply to TheMadMan :ok: TheMadMan - you changed yer tune or was I not listening?
TheMadMan December 29, 2022 at 08:05 #767326
Reply to Sir2u And yet you eat fruits and vegetables that is grown with the help of animal secretion.

"Eat the apple Eve and you shall be as God"
TheMadMan December 29, 2022 at 08:06 #767327
Reply to Agent Smith Care to elaborate on that question?
Agent Smith December 29, 2022 at 08:09 #767331
TheMadMan December 29, 2022 at 08:14 #767332
Reply to Agent Smith ¯\_( ?•??? ?•)_/¯
Agent Smith December 29, 2022 at 08:26 #767335
Nils Loc December 29, 2022 at 18:43 #767461
Quoting Agent Smith
claims that the difference between God and us humans is not the same as that between us and animals. Do you agree?


In the absence of some doctrinal/textual/institutional authority that speaks of a special nature of God, we can make up any relation we want. Here we become anthropologists and have to decide which faith concerning "God" we'd like to study. We then can collect beliefs concerning this specific question.

But I have no real opinion, insofar as the question might as well be an exercise in pure imagination of what we'd prefer God to be like.

Though I suppose I'm a pantheist, who could've been a pig, and imagines that God suffers as we do under random assignment of an existential lottery. All beings are fundamentally more alike than they are different. We should struggle to minimize suffering, however absurdly futile that sometimes feels.

Agent Smith December 29, 2022 at 19:50 #767469
Reply to Nils Loc

Which is to say nonvegetarianism doesn't make sense and that given how scripture defines God, He is completely within his rights to eat us.

Nils Loc December 29, 2022 at 20:09 #767475
Quoting Agent Smith
Which is to say nonvegetarianism doesn't make sene and that given how scripture defines God, He is completely within his rights to eat us.


Maybe your leaving out other scriptual/controversial/contradictory attributes of God that might clear up or further confuse this issue.

It might be, that given scripture, God doesn't make sense. Why are you assuming God needs to eat?

Why should it follow that because man is in the image of God, that God must eat? Why would God have organs if those organs represented a natural constraint/form of an animal? Mouths and anuses represent limits he need not abide by. Though to be honest I have no good traction on what scripture conveys God to be like.

Maybe, to be metaphorical, killing suffices God's Appetite (synonymous with his Will). He's allegedly done a lot of that.

Agent Smith December 29, 2022 at 20:22 #767483
Reply to Nils Loc

Don't the (scriptural) inconsistencies prove my point?
Sir2u December 30, 2022 at 01:03 #767574
Quoting TheMadMan
And yet you eat fruits and vegetables that is grown with the help of animal secretion.


OK, that might be true to a certain extent. But that we are actually holy shit is a bit different.
TheMadMan December 30, 2022 at 10:29 #767640
Reply to Sir2u The opposite is also true.

Jesus was God in man.
Jesus said "The bread you eat is my body, the wine you drink is my blood"
And what happens to the food humans eat?
We secrete it.
So humans secrete God.

You could say The Holy Ghost is the Divine Fart.
The human fart is the Divine Spirit released.

The metaphor is coming together
wouldn't you agree @Agent Smith ?



Agent Smith December 30, 2022 at 10:36 #767642
Reply to TheMadMan

:lol: Well, for the sake of all standup comedians out there, I hope so!

Danke!

It's taking shape, most definitely! :up:
Agent Smith December 30, 2022 at 10:40 #767644
God made us (re Christianity) in His image. I don't what's the deal with Hinduism - Vishnu took, as per vedic sources, the form of fish and a boar, and Ganesha has an elephant head (pace Xenophanes).
javi2541997 December 30, 2022 at 14:17 #767694
Reply to Agent Smith

We ate God when Nietzsche said: God is dead. :eyes:
Agent Smith December 30, 2022 at 15:05 #767703
Reply to javi2541997

I was thinkin' the same thing, but not exactly in a Nietzschean sense. He did declare God is dead and I suppose we could interpret it in the way you've done. Any lines in Nietzsche's books/essays that could be read as humans having, well, consumed God?
javi2541997 December 30, 2022 at 15:37 #767706
Quoting Agent Smith
Any lines in Nietzsche's books/essays that could be read as humans having, well, consumed God?


Yes. What I meant is that we humans can eat God if we see our life as a anthropocentric scenario. Nothing and no one is above us. I think is better for the world to see in such way. But I respect all views and opinions of course

Inside Japanese mythology, kamis can interact with humans.
Agent Smith December 30, 2022 at 15:50 #767710
Reply to javi2541997 What is it exactly, do you suppose, that we want from God? We pray ... for what?
javi2541997 December 30, 2022 at 16:01 #767716
Reply to Agent Smith I don't want anything from him. I don't even pray...

What do you expect from God?
Agent Smith December 30, 2022 at 16:04 #767720
Reply to javi2541997 :up: I :pray: for god.
javi2541997 December 30, 2022 at 16:12 #767725
Reply to Agent Smith :up: :sparkle:

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Nils Loc December 30, 2022 at 19:45 #767777
This theological madness leads down a dangerous road, to a hut a cannibals, who deem themselves God, eating animals which they know to be God.