How do you define Justification?

GodlessGirl December 28, 2022 at 13:01 1925 views 8 comments
Justification as in epistemic justification to me has to at least be something that increases the probability that your belief is true. Is there an agreed upon definition between coherentists and foundationalists? How would a phenomenal conservativist accept my definition when there is no reason we should think an intuition increases the probability that a belief is true?

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Mww December 28, 2022 at 14:13 #767139
Reply to GodlessGirl

Would you agree a justification for something, is obtained by a judgement on that something? That justification is a derivative of the act of judging, which itself a derivative of judgement?
T Clark December 28, 2022 at 14:32 #767143
Quoting GodlessGirl
How would a phenomenal conservativist accept my definition when there is no reason we should think an intuition increases the probability that a belief is true?


Welcome to the forum.

I've made the case here on the forum many times that intuition is a valid source of justification. Whether or not it is adequate in itself depends on the consequences of being wrong. If the consequences are significant, intuition might have to be validated with additional information.
god must be atheist December 28, 2022 at 15:13 #767157
I am a convertibilitist valuationist. To me justificationists are students who want to get good grades without increased intuition fees. In other words, justification is impossible to achieve without proof. Of course we all behave an act on partial proofs, on not enough evidence, and in lack of justification therefore. This still has not created any discernable problems in our history as a species, other than world wars and other wars, and of course our problems caused by overpopulation.

You could also follow the Descartes route to achieve justification: destroying doubts, popping them off as you go.

The biggest problem of course comes up in courts of legal proceedings. Justification there is of utter importance, yet it is never achieved fully. Therefore the idea is to come down with a judgment that is more justified than its opposition. This is the precise situation where justification meets failure; many innocent men and women are in prison due to improper lining up and evaluation of justificatory evidence.
Lambert Strether December 28, 2022 at 21:31 #767214
Reply to Mww Justification is predicated on a premise supposedly outside judgment...otherwise it's not justification but rhetoric
jgill December 28, 2022 at 21:49 #767220
Quoting god must be atheist
I am a convertibilitist valuationist.


Aren't we all, though! My lexicon grows by leaps and bounds from TPF.

To justify an act is to appeal to some form of authority external to ones' self.
frank December 28, 2022 at 22:06 #767223
Quoting GodlessGirl
How would a phenomenal conservativist accept my definition when there is no reason we should think an intuition increases the probability that a belief is true?


A justification is something you need in order to appear rational. That gives you deposits in your social bank account among some circles.

If you're a symbol of the fundamental irrationality of nature, someone will ride out on a whaling vessel and try to harpoon you.

Bartricks December 28, 2022 at 22:08 #767224
Reply to GodlessGirl When we judge that a proposition is 'probably' true, that is itself a judgement about what we have epistemic reason to believe. That is, it is to judge that there is an epistemic reason of some degree of strength to believe it.
It is not, then, that epistemic reasons raise a proposition's likelihood of being true, it is rather that judgements of epistemic probability just are judgements about what we have epistemic reason to believe.
god must be atheist December 28, 2022 at 23:02 #767234
Quoting jgill
To justify an act is to appeal to some form of authority external to ones' self.


Authority or evidence, external to one's own self.

Problem arises when the authority is evil, or has a practical sense of humour.