Adventures in Metaphysics 1: Graham Harman's Object-Oriented Ontology
Ok, so I'm inspired by some recent threads to dive into some metaphysics. I'd like to start a series of "Adventures" into various ideas of speculative philosophy. I propose the first one as Graham Harman's Object-Oriented Philosophy.
Graham Harman:
Quoting Wiki
Object-Oriented Ontology:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_ontology
Highlights (from Wiki article above):
Rejection of anthropocentrism:
Anthropocentrism is the privileging of humans as "subjects" over and against nonhuman beings as "objects". The widespread tendency frequently limits attributes such as mind, autonomy, moral agency, reason, and the like to humans, while contrasting all other beings as variations of "object", or things obeying deterministic laws, impulses, stimuli, instincts, and so on.
Critique of correlationism
Related to 'anthropocentrism', object-oriented thinkers reject speculative idealist correlationism, which the French philosopher Quentin Meillassoux defines as "the idea according to which we only ever have access to the correlation between thinking and being, and never to either term considered apart from the other".[12] Because object-oriented ontology is a realist philosophy, it stands in contradistinction to the anti-realist trajectory of correlationism, which restricts philosophical understanding to the correlation of being with thought by disavowing any reality external to this correlation as inaccessible, and, in this way, fails to escape the ontological reification of human experience.[13]
Rejection of undermining, "overmining", and "duomining":
Object-oriented thought holds that there are two principal strategies for devaluing the philosophical import of objects.[14] First, one can undermine objects by claiming that they are an effect or manifestation of a deeper, underlying substance or force.[15] Second, one can "overmine" objects by either an idealism which holds that there is nothing beneath what appears in the mind or, as in social constructionism, by positing no independent reality outside of language, discourse or power.[16][17] Object-oriented philosophy rejects both undermining and "overmining"
Preservation of finitude:
Unlike other speculative realism, object-oriented ontology maintains the concept of finitude, whereby relation to an object cannot be translated into a direct and complete knowledge of an object.[21] Since all object relations distort their related objects, every relation is said to be an act of translation, with the caveat that no object can perfectly translate another object into its own nomenclature.
Withdrawal:
Object-oriented ontology holds that objects are independent not only of other objects but also from the qualities they animate at any specific spatiotemporal location. Accordingly, objects cannot be exhausted by their relations with humans or other objects in theory or practice, meaning that the reality of objects is always ready-to-hand.[9] The retention by an object of reality in excess of any relation is known as withdrawal.
Article:
I'd like to kick this thread off by analyzing a specific article comparing Harman to Alfred North Whitehead's process philosophy (or "philosophy of the organism").
The article is
"The Actual Volcano: Whitehead, Harman, and the Problem of Relations" by Steven Shaviro on page 279 of the book The Speculative Turn: Continental Realism and Materialism (Open Access)
https://kclpure.kcl.ac.uk/portal/files/104129715/2010_The_Speculative_Turn.pdf
Page 279-280:
The author here tries to put this in grandiose terms for what the "Speculative Realists" are doing. It's a neologism for getting back to speculations of metaphysics as a ground of some aspect of seeing the world. He is going to compare and contrast Harman and Whitehead's approach to metaphysics. From my own background, I know that Whitehead is a process philosopher which means contrary to Harman, he doesn't take objects as mere objects, but as processes that network together in various ways.
This discusses the main problem that speculative realists have with modern philosophy- that it focuses too much on the human subject's relation to objects and processes, rather than on the objects and processes themselves. He explains the SR idea regarding "correlationism", which they believe Kant initiated, and is the view that humans and world (non-human) as inextricably linked. The "great outdoors" of the non-human can never be accessed except by knowing it in the only ways humans know how and therefore are always closed off to other objects and processes. A person cannot "jump over their shadow" in other words. He notes that SR's reject the correlationism of post-Kantian philosophy. Rather, they deny that there is no access to "things-in-themselves" nor do they think humans are only limited to knowledge of logical form or empirical enquiry. They also reject the tendency for social constructivism (it seems alluding to post-modernism and critical theory as well here, where all knowledge is socially biased through that constructed lens). Harman particularly proposes that we need to speculate on how it is objects might interact without the need to for human epistemological considerations.
The discussion is open.
My particular questions are:
1) Can objects be understood without reference to human subjectivity?
2) Is it even wise to try to overlook the human aspect to all knowledge? Is this not only a fool's errand but somehow anti-human or is this just trying to take out a pernicious anthropomorphism that might lead to a more open field of exploration?
I invite @RussellA @creativesoul @Moliere @Metaphysician Undercover @Fooloso4 @Banno @Paine @Janus @Jamal @Tom Storm @Wayfarer and anyone else.
Graham Harman:
Quoting Wiki
Graham Harman (born May 9, 1968) is an American philosopher and academic. He is Distinguished Professor of Philosophy at the Southern California Institute of Architecture in Los Angeles.[3] His work on the metaphysics of objects led to the development of object-oriented ontology. He is a central figure in the speculative realism trend in contemporary philosophy.[4]
Object-Oriented Ontology:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_ontology
Highlights (from Wiki article above):
Rejection of anthropocentrism:
Anthropocentrism is the privileging of humans as "subjects" over and against nonhuman beings as "objects". The widespread tendency frequently limits attributes such as mind, autonomy, moral agency, reason, and the like to humans, while contrasting all other beings as variations of "object", or things obeying deterministic laws, impulses, stimuli, instincts, and so on.
Critique of correlationism
Related to 'anthropocentrism', object-oriented thinkers reject speculative idealist correlationism, which the French philosopher Quentin Meillassoux defines as "the idea according to which we only ever have access to the correlation between thinking and being, and never to either term considered apart from the other".[12] Because object-oriented ontology is a realist philosophy, it stands in contradistinction to the anti-realist trajectory of correlationism, which restricts philosophical understanding to the correlation of being with thought by disavowing any reality external to this correlation as inaccessible, and, in this way, fails to escape the ontological reification of human experience.[13]
Rejection of undermining, "overmining", and "duomining":
Object-oriented thought holds that there are two principal strategies for devaluing the philosophical import of objects.[14] First, one can undermine objects by claiming that they are an effect or manifestation of a deeper, underlying substance or force.[15] Second, one can "overmine" objects by either an idealism which holds that there is nothing beneath what appears in the mind or, as in social constructionism, by positing no independent reality outside of language, discourse or power.[16][17] Object-oriented philosophy rejects both undermining and "overmining"
Preservation of finitude:
Unlike other speculative realism, object-oriented ontology maintains the concept of finitude, whereby relation to an object cannot be translated into a direct and complete knowledge of an object.[21] Since all object relations distort their related objects, every relation is said to be an act of translation, with the caveat that no object can perfectly translate another object into its own nomenclature.
Withdrawal:
Object-oriented ontology holds that objects are independent not only of other objects but also from the qualities they animate at any specific spatiotemporal location. Accordingly, objects cannot be exhausted by their relations with humans or other objects in theory or practice, meaning that the reality of objects is always ready-to-hand.[9] The retention by an object of reality in excess of any relation is known as withdrawal.
Article:
I'd like to kick this thread off by analyzing a specific article comparing Harman to Alfred North Whitehead's process philosophy (or "philosophy of the organism").
The article is
"The Actual Volcano: Whitehead, Harman, and the Problem of Relations" by Steven Shaviro on page 279 of the book The Speculative Turn: Continental Realism and Materialism (Open Access)
https://kclpure.kcl.ac.uk/portal/files/104129715/2010_The_Speculative_Turn.pdf
Page 279-280:
Shaviro 279:Alfred North Whitehead writes that a new idea introduces a new alternative; and we
are not less indebted to a thinker when we adopt the alternative which he discarded.
Philosophy never reverts to its old position after the shock of a new philosopher.1
In
the last several years, such a new alternative, and such a shock, have been provided
by the group of philosophersmost notably, Graham Harman, Quentin Meillassoux,
Ray Brassier, and Iain Hamilton Grantwho have come to be known as speculative realists. These thinkers differ greatly among themselves; but they have all asked
new questions, and forced us to look at the status of modern, or post-Kantian, philosophy in a new way. They have questioned some of the basic assumptions of both analytic and continental thought. And they have opened up prospects for a new era
of bold metaphysical speculation. After years in which the end of metaphysics was
proclaimed by pretty much everyonefrom Carnap to Heidegger and from Derrida to Rortythese thinkers have dared to renew the enterprise of what Whitehead called Speculative Philosophy: the endeavour to frame a coherent, logical, necessary system of general ideas in terms of which every element of our experience can be
interpreted.2
In what follows, I will compare and contrast Graham Harmans objectoriented philosophyone of the most impressive achievements of speculative realism to datewith Whiteheads own philosophy of organism. My aim is to show both
how Harman helps us to understand Whitehead in a new way, and conversely to develop a Whitehead-inspired reading of Harman.
The author here tries to put this in grandiose terms for what the "Speculative Realists" are doing. It's a neologism for getting back to speculations of metaphysics as a ground of some aspect of seeing the world. He is going to compare and contrast Harman and Whitehead's approach to metaphysics. From my own background, I know that Whitehead is a process philosopher which means contrary to Harman, he doesn't take objects as mere objects, but as processes that network together in various ways.
Shaviro 279-280:The speculative realists all arguealbeit in vastly different waysfor a robust
philosophical realism, one that cannot be dismissed (as realism so often is) as being
merely naive. They all seek to break away from the epistemological, and human-centred, focus of most post-Kantian thought. Nearly all contemporary philosophy is premised, as Lee Braver shows in detail, upon a fundamental antirealism; it assumes one version or another of the Kantian claim that phenomena depend upon the mind to exist.3 Such philosophy denies the meaningfulness, or even the possibility, of any discussion of
things in themselves. Modern thought remains in thrall to what Harman calls the idea
of human access,4
or to what Meillassoux calls correlationism.5
It gives a privileged position to human subjectivity or to human understanding, as if the worlds very existence
somehow depended upon our ability to know it and represent it. Even at its best, such
a philosophy subordinates ontology to epistemology; it can only discuss things, or objects, or processes, in terms of how a human subject relates to them. It does not have
anything at all to tell us about the impact of inanimate objects upon one another, apart
from any human awareness of this fact.6
It maintains the unquestioned assumption that
we never grasp an object in itself, in isolation from its relation to the subject, and correspondingly that we can never grasp a subject that would not always-already be related to an object.7
In short, correlationism holds that we cannot think of humans without
world, nor world without humans, but only of a primal correlation or rapport between
the two.8
As a result, correlationist philosophy remains restricted to self-reflexive remarks about human language and cognition.9
This is as much the case for recent thinkers like Derrida and iek, as it was before them for Kant, Husserl, and Heidegger. In
contrast, the speculative realists explore what it means to think about reality, without
placing worries about the ability of human beings to know the world at the centre of all
discussion. They are realists, because they reject the necessity of a Kantian Copernican rift between things-in-themselves and phenomena, insisting instead that we are always in contact with reality in one way or another.10 And they are speculative, because
they openly explore traditionally metaphysical questions, rather than limiting themselves to matters of logical form, on the one hand, and empirical inquiry, on the other.
In this way, they reject both scientific positivism, and social constructionist debunkings
of science. Harman, in particular, cuts the Gordian Knot of epistemological reflexivity, in order to develop a philosophy that can range freely over the whole of the world,
from a standpoint equally capable of treating human and inhuman entities on an equal
footing.11 Harman proposes a non-correlationist, non-human-centred metaphysics, one
in which humans have no privilege at all, so that we can speak in the same way of the
relation between humans and what they see and that between hailstones and tar.12
This discusses the main problem that speculative realists have with modern philosophy- that it focuses too much on the human subject's relation to objects and processes, rather than on the objects and processes themselves. He explains the SR idea regarding "correlationism", which they believe Kant initiated, and is the view that humans and world (non-human) as inextricably linked. The "great outdoors" of the non-human can never be accessed except by knowing it in the only ways humans know how and therefore are always closed off to other objects and processes. A person cannot "jump over their shadow" in other words. He notes that SR's reject the correlationism of post-Kantian philosophy. Rather, they deny that there is no access to "things-in-themselves" nor do they think humans are only limited to knowledge of logical form or empirical enquiry. They also reject the tendency for social constructivism (it seems alluding to post-modernism and critical theory as well here, where all knowledge is socially biased through that constructed lens). Harman particularly proposes that we need to speculate on how it is objects might interact without the need to for human epistemological considerations.
The discussion is open.
My particular questions are:
1) Can objects be understood without reference to human subjectivity?
2) Is it even wise to try to overlook the human aspect to all knowledge? Is this not only a fool's errand but somehow anti-human or is this just trying to take out a pernicious anthropomorphism that might lead to a more open field of exploration?
I invite @RussellA @creativesoul @Moliere @Metaphysician Undercover @Fooloso4 @Banno @Paine @Janus @Jamal @Tom Storm @Wayfarer and anyone else.
Comments (47)
Quoting schopenhauer1
Clarify what you mean by "understood".
"The human aspect" can be deflated (e.g. mathematics, natural sciences).
Speculative Realists seem to be attempting a more complete and consistent application of the Mediocrity Principle (i.e. anthropo-decentricity) neither a 'view from being there' nor a 'view from nowhere', but a view from everywhere in ontology.
I found an interesting blog post that partly answers your objection:
[quote=Ontology for Ontologys Sake;http://aestheticsafterfinitude.blogspot.com/2013/04/ontology-for-ontologys-sake-object.html]Like correlationism, object-oriented philosophy begins with an affirmation of the epistemological limit: we can never know the reality of the objects we encounter. Like speculative materialism, object-oriented philosophy then radicalises the correlationist position, but where speculative materialism pushes finitude into a positive epistemological premise, object-oriented philosophy simply extends finitude beyond the bounds of the human to bestow it democratically upon everything.[/quote]
The Speculative Turn essays certainly represent very different views. It seems that much of the conversation concerns the logic of terms and what are actual unities versus arbitrary suppositions. This example by Grant makes sense to me:
This question relates to the scientific method used in the discussion of linguistics in the Chomsky thread and how to distinguish the "innate" from the 'environment."
That The Real Volcano essay in the book you linked was pretty great to read. I've been told I should read Whitehead before on the basis of things I've said, and this essay pretty much confirmed that advice.
I'm also happy to see the aesthetic nature of making a choice in metaphysics being expressed --
Interesting stuff!
Quoting schopenhauer1
No.
Next!
:D
I think the way you're phrasing the question makes it hard to answer though. "Understand" clearly invokes an understand-er. And usually we mean at least living things which have the capacity to understand. So the requirement of understanding the object necessitates some kind of subjectivity in the sense of an individual making choices about what to believe.
But do the objects exist without reference to human subjectivity? Yes!
Which objects, though? Oh no. Don't ask me. I can't tell. In the essay I found myself agreeing with Shaviro's exposition of Whitehead more -- I tend to think that there is an over-abundance of being, that being overflows our words, and even our conceptual distinctions like objects with their wholes and parts (a material dualism).
I've mentioned it before on the forums, but where my thinking is is in connecting the absurd to the real -- that the absurd shows how our concepts do not circumscribe all of reality, and so Kant was mistaken that all of reality coheres at all. In a backwards way, coming from the Kantian perspective, if the absurd is real then the entire project falls apart -- we can experience something which is not bounded by the categories, and therefore realism is true because there is more to reality than our conceptual apparatus.
I'm not sure that they can, but I don't think that undermines knowledge of objects either.
Why the fear of "anthropomorphism"?
Wise or not wise, though -- I think it's interesting stuff.
My impression from reading the essays so far is that it is not so much a general rejection of anthropomorphism but a response to Heidegger signaling the end of metaphysics. Thus Badiou's remark in the first essay:
I guess this can be seen as support for something like Spinoza's criticism of anthropomorphism. but I read it more as a challenge to whether 'post-modernism' is a thing.
Yeah I guess, can they be discussed in reference to themselves without it being how humans frame the objects. It seems to be what SR and Harman in particular wants to do.
Quoting 180 Proof
How would a view from everywhere look different from either in your understanding?
"From either" what?
So this started from a discussion I had with @RussellA in the Chomsky thread. The dialogue is below. Basically, we were originally discussing how concepts such as roundness were a priori part of the human understanding of the world. He mentioned the notion of how it is properties/judgements like "roundness" of a ball could be mind-independent. Here is the dialogue (I bolded what I thought was most important):
RussellA:
Who judges the degree of roundness? There is nothing in a mind-independent world that can make judgements about the degree of roundness. Judgements can only be made in the mind.
schopenhauer1:
It isnt judged, it is an event. Object rolls down a hill. The object interacts with the ground in the way round objects act. Its manifest in how the object interacts. Its roundness is manifest in how it rolls. No one needs to label it round to interact as round objects will.
RussellA:
You say the object rolled down the hill. Who is to say that it didn't bounce, slide, skid, glide, skip or skim down the hill.
A judgement must have been made as to the manner of the object moving down the hill.
schopenhauer1:
But thats what Im saying, it doesnt matter how it is labeled- an object manifested the property of rolling by its action with other objects. It may not be judged as round but acts that way.
RussellA:
I may be misunderstanding. You say that the object may not be judged as rolling, but it acts as if it were rolling.
How is it known that the object is acting as if it were rolling rather than acting in any other way, such as bouncing?
schopenhauer1:
It is not known. It is manifested in the interaction of ball with ground. It doesnt need to be apprehended. The object does as it does in relation to the other object. In this case the object rolls down a hill. Properties of solidity and gravity are manifested in the relation of the two objects.
RussellA:
I can't resist. How do you know the object "rolls" down the hill, if, as you say "it is not known"?
I think this can be answered in various ways, one of them referring back to Harman's Object-Oriented Ontology.
Quoting Blog on OOO
So from this it appears to me that the idea of OOO might have something to say about the ball and the ground. No human judgement is needed for the interactions to relate in such a way that roundness "manifests" in its interaction with the ground. There isn't judgement of the roundness, but roundness events play out between the two objects. Roundness is not a judgement then in terms of these objects, but nonetheless the properties exist in how they manifest.
The view from here and the view from nowhere.
Quoting Edward Feser
Feser, Some Brief Arguments for Dualism
There's also Descartes' argument from the Sixth Meditation, where he uses the chiliagon (a thousand-sided polygon) as an example in his Sixth Meditation to demonstrate the difference between intellection and imagination. He says that, when one thinks of a chiliagon, he "does not imagine the thousand sides or see them as if they were present" before him as he does when one imagines a triangle, for example. The imagination constructs a "confused representation," which is no different from that which it constructs of a myriagon (a polygon with ten thousand sides). However, he does clearly understand what a chiliagon is, just as he understands what a triangle is, and he is able to distinguish it from a myriagon. Therefore, the intellect is not dependent on imagination, Descartes claims, as it is able to entertain clear and distinct ideas which the imagination is unable to picture. The intellect is able to grasp a perfectly determinate concept, such as thousand-sided object, which is practically speaking imperceptible to the senses.
Finally Kant and Mill on philosophy of mathematics - Kant had argued that the structures of logic which organize, interpret and abstract observations were innate to the mind and were true and valid a priori. Mill, on the contrary, said that we believe them to be true because we have enough individual instances of their truth to generalize: in his words, "From instances we have observed, we feel warranted in concluding that what we found true in those instances holds in all similar ones, past, present and future, however numerous they may be." Although the psychological or epistemological specifics given by Mill through which we build our logical apparatus may not be completely warranted, his explanation still nonetheless manages to demonstrate that there is no way around Kants a priori logic. To recount Mill's original idea in an empiricist twist: Indeed, the very principles of logical deduction are true because we observe that using them leads to true conclusions" - which is itself ana priori pressuposition!
I think most important to this section is "perception in the mode of causal efficacy". This presents to me, a somewhat "radical" view that how entities effect each other, is some sort of low grade "perception".
So just re-emphasizing that humans don't have privilege to perception. Events large and small perceive. It of course elicits the question, "What is perception?".
Prehension is used here. However, it seems to be an overmined term. It can refer to "registers the presence of, responds to, affected by, another entity". He then adds in "drops of experience". Is this not conflating a certain type of phenomena (experience) with a more general idea of interactions in general? How are these two tied?
For me "view from everywhere" refers to objectivity / perspective-invariance (immanence), whereas "view from being there" refers to subjectivity / perspective (bias) and "view from nowhere" corresponds to a God's-eye view (transcendence).
Not quite. Rather, I was trying to show that specific instances (of objects) have their own form of interaction that manifests roundness in a way that bypasses judgements of roundness.
Of which you have a concept, hence the designation 'roundness' that goes with it.
Perhaps he should have moved to India. They have many.
Object-oriented ontology maintains that objects exist independently of human perception.
Taking an object that is round as an example, there is the Real Object RO and the Sensory Object SO.
I agree that there are objects that are approximately round in the world, but my assumption is that no exactly round object has ever existed or will ever exist in the world, if exactly one means within the Planck length, being [math]{10^{-35}m}[/math]
If no round object has ever existed or will ever exist, then any talk about round objects cannot be about Real Objects RO but must be about Sensory Objects SO.
Heh. Sorry!
Quoting schopenhauer1
How so? By overmining I understand there to be no objects. But prehension just puts objects on the same ontological level as humans by smushing perception and effect together. So it seems to recognize the reality of objects, though they are all interconnected -- which I think might speak against your thought here:
If objects are all connected, and perception, response, affect, and register are the relations between entities, then a drop of experience would just be another entity. It's the kind of entity we are -- and I am a little suspicious in general of reifications of experience so I don't think I'd put it like this, but that doesn't seem to be a conflation as much as a different way of looking.
Sure, but the controversial element is whether "roundness" is a thing outside that concept. In this theory, it is, as long as two objects have some "sensory" causal affect with each other. It is neither atoms in a void (undermined), nor an "appearance" to a mind, but something that goes on with how objects themselves interact at their level.
Can you explain that more about why it cannot be the Real Object?
I guess I meant, "overused".. used to refer to too many vaguely related but not quite necessarily related things.
Quoting Moliere
Not sure what to make of this. What do you mean "reifications of experience"?
I don't think experience is a thing, so to treat it as if it is a thing -- like a drop, in analogy to water -- is a reification of what is not a thing.
Hypostatization is pretty much what I have in mind. If experience be material, as a materialist must accept if they are not eliminative, it's still not a thing. Experience is of things, and reification is when you treat what is conceptual or experiential as if it were the same as the things it's about.
Oh yes, I think I agree with this, but perhaps this choice of words will be explained as I believe I've heard it before in relation to Whitehead.
Also, fair. It's easy enough to say everything that is is equiprimordial. Things get confusing after that.
But that, I suggest, is the fundamental misconception of the role of ideas in Platonic philosophy. It's not as if 'the ball' and 'roundness' are two things. Roundness doesn't exist as a kind of free-floating abstract shape in an ethereal medium which your actual ball is a poor imitation of (which is a popular depiction of platonic ideas). Indeed, ideas don't exist at all in the sense that objects do. I think what makes it hard to grasp - and this really is metaphysics - is that in those forms of classical philosophy, reality was hierarchical, which allowed for degrees of reality. Whereas modern philosophy has tended to 'flatten' ontology such that anything that exists, exists in the same way. This is why there are disputes over platonic realism in philosophy of maths. Numbers, and so on, don't exist in the same way as objects. So the tendency is to declare that they don't exist at all, save as mental constructs; things either exist, or they don't, in other words, existence is univocal, has only one meaning.
Thanks for the invite. Not sure how much I can help, or whether or not I can add anything of substantive value to the discussion.
Interesting OP. I may have finally found "my label"... Speculative Realist.
If the notion of understanding is on par with a worldview and/or belief system, and as such need not be true, accurate, or correct, then it seems to me that understanding is nearly identical with/to 'human subjectivity'.
We can and do understand all sorts of stuff without referencing human subjectivity. It's all fraught though. I mean, by my lights, the very distinction between subject and object is inherently inadequate. It cannot take into account anything that consists of both subject and object. Understanding is itself is one such thing. The very same is true of everything ever thought, believed, spoken, written, and/or otherwise uttered. Such things consist of both, subject and object. Hence, neither "subject' nor "object" is capable of taking proper account of thought, belief, and/or anything else consisting thereof, whether just in part or wholly.
Employing the subject/object dichotomy as a linguistic framework to take account of ourselves and 'the world' results in rendering stuff as one or the other. Not all things are one or the other. To quite the contrary, some things consist of both. Hence, I find that it is an inherently inadequate framework to begin with, ontological or otherwise.
Quoting schopenhauer1
Anthropomorphism is to be avoided. What I mean is that it is a fatal mistake to attribute uniquely human capabilities to that which is not human.
Most Western philosophical tradition holds/held that all thought is uniquely human. It has been believed that it was our minds that separated us from the mere 'dumb' animals. Hence, the overwhelming majority of academia will still reject the very idea of non-human thought and/or belief, on pains of coherency alone. That's not entirely wrong, but it is wrong enough to have caused deep misunderstandings concerning thought and belief. It's also made it near impossible for current convention to arrive at a notion of thought and belief that is easily amenable to being explained in terms of evolutionary progression.
The aforementioned mistake was/is the account of human thought and belief. It's nowhere near refined enough, ontologically speaking, to be capable of adequately explaining the different degrees of complexity inherent to human thought and belief. Notably, some is prior to common language use, does not include language, and is not existentially dependent upon language in any way, shape, or form. Such thought and belief can equally be formed and/or 'held' by some language less creatures replete with the biological machinery required for doing so.
Those are the ones current convention and everyday people has/have trouble with. The result of the former is denial of language less thought. The result of the latter is often anthropomorphism.
Harman posits a dualism of a hidden reality of the object and one of their relations with other entities. The hidden substance he identifies as "substances" as they are wholly unto themselves without sharing relations with other entities.
This seems pretty similar to Aristotle's substance, except that Aristotle didn't have an idea of a "hiddenness". He seemed pretty concerned with their "essence" which is something that I believe can be known, and thus not hidden. But if anyone else has ideas of how this ties to Aristotle, let me know.
In contrast to Harman, who proposes a "there" there for substances, Whitehead is 180 degrees the other way. There are no substances, but only interconnection of things.
Does Harman have valid points here? Relations can never really account for the things themselves. All is change, but no "thing" that is reserving these relations into "itself" (this is my way of putting it).
What about him turning Whitehead in on his own novelty and saying if all is novelty, there can be no change as there can be nothing that is being changed.
I like the use of "flatten[ed]" ontology. That is indeed what's going on here. Objects and their "relations". It's really the "relations" part that is tripping everything up. "How" can objects really "relate" on "their own" (without interpreters, without perspectives that we normally consider "minds"). But it could be conceived that roundness in humans is indeed "conceptual". Maybe roundness to an object is its manifestation of atomic valence atoms pushing against gravity in a way that roundness acts. This is the flat ontology view. Roundness is one relation the ball is having with the ground. It translates differently than human "roundness". Events then become (as I believe Harman will explain) "vicarious" events of causation between objects, where their "sensory" aspects are interacting, but not their hidden aspects.
This is also where Harman will disagree with Whitehead. Harman thinks the "hidden" aspect of an object is the essential part that makes that object have some sort of "reserve" that is actualized as opposed to Whitehead where "everything is relation" all the way down.
Indeed I think SR would also do away with this distinction as a way of how the world relates. Object-object or relation-relation, perhaps.
Quoting creativesoul
Ok, but you are kind of discussing epistemology. We are at metaphysics. That is to say, can objects exist independently and relate to each other without minds? If so, how do objects then relate? Harman says there is a hiddenness that makes the object itself, and that it only has some sort of vicarious causation with other objects. Whitehead says that it is all relations. There is no "hiddenness" or reserve of some substance that makes it itself but all relations prehending other relations.
Afraid I won't be of much help.
A round object is circular, where the boundary of a circle is the same distance from a centre. For a round object, the distance of the boundary from the centre is the same, not similar, otherwise an ellipse, or a square, or a triangle would be a circle.
Plenty of shapes have been observed in the real world that are approximately round, where the distance of the boundary from the centre is similar, but "similar" does not mean "same". 10 metres is not the same as 1 metre, 1 metre is not the same as 1mm, 1mm is not the same as 1 micron and 1 micron is not the same as the planck length.
A round object can exist as a concept in the mind, but no one has observed a shape in the real world where the distance of the boundary from the centre is the same, meaning known to be the same down to the planck length.
There is a clear distinction between round as a concept in the mind and round as existing in the real world.
If I talk about a round object, for my talk to make logical and coherent sense, I must be talking about something that exists. As the concept of a round object certainly exists in the mind, but a round object is highly unlikely to exist in the real world, I must be referring to the concept in my mind, not an impossible object in the real world.
The important concept here, which is often overlooked, is the "gap". In order to understand objects as individuals, or to understand activities which involve relations, there is a need to assume a gap of separation, and this might be a boundary, or void space, or some such thing. You can refer to Kant's description of pure intuitions here, as the basis for this understanding. Notice that a distinction can be made between the pure intuition of the external (space for Kant), and the pure intuition of the internal (time for Kant).
If the gap is assumed to be spatial, we have external objects to work with, but if the gap is assumed to be temporal, we have internal conceptions, changing relations and associations, interactions and causation to deal with. Whether a person chooses one or the other, as the basis of one's ontology, depends on whether the person is looking outward (Kant's external intuition), or looking inward (Kant's internal intuition). So Harman, as you describe, looking outward, apprehends external, spatial relations, and Whitehead looking inward, apprehends internal, temporal relations.
There is a way to reconcile these two perspectives, and that is to see the person, the individual self, as the gap, or boundary which separates the internal from the external. In a way it is simplistic, as it plunges you back toward the basic Platonic dualism of the internal mind and the external body. But under the modern day terms provided by Kant, the separation, or gap, may be understood as a separation between space and time, where space is external and time is internal, and the gap (being the self) separates these two.
We encounter the 'essences' each time we come upon a particular being. But there is a tension between this condition and the 'universals' needed to inquire into causes:
From this perspective, the 'essence' is hiding in plain sight.
Well, it looks like Aristotle is railing against his mentor Plato here when he says that non-substance (qualities/attributes) can't be prior to its substance (the instance of the thing). He seems to be describing Plato's ideas that Forms are first and instances come from them. He's also just saying that the universal is contained in similarities of the same substances found in each instantiation. This is his main difference with Plato's notion of universals as some sort of esoteric Form (template) outside the substances themselves.
I don't see anything either way here. Aristotle's essences would be ones where we could determine by human standards of induction the essential form of a substance that determines what that substance is. He does not seem to hold the notion that there are some attributes which are hidden or withdrawn as far as I've seen. It's more of a corollary to Aristotle, not really fixing anything.
Oh gotcha gotcha. Yeah that's fine and all, but is this contra Harman here? In other words, I can take this to mean that you think there is a Platonic element of perfect Forms, or in Kantian speak, "A priori Synthetic truths" missing from all of this metaphysically? If no human mind existed. If no animal mind existed, could objects have localized "vicarious" interactions that do not need a cognitive stage?
Do Forms (in the Platonic sense) matter for objects to relate to each other? Certainly, I can see it in the Aristotlian sense. Attributes that can be shared between substances can be known by them.
I just realized that attributes may be equivalent to Harman's "vicarious causation". The attributes of the substance is hidden except for the ones that interact with other substances. So for Harman attributes can never fully exhaust the fully essential characteristics of a substance (or object).
Is internal intuition a false category when applied to objects that aren't animals?
This is where it really goes deep. If anyone wants to add their interpretation of what is going on here between the dichotomy of Harman and Whitehead, please be my guest!
My interpretation is that Shaviro is saying that Harman's criticism of Whitehead is overlooking aspects of Whitehead that actually make it similar. Whitehead believed in this oddly phrased, "a unity of aesthetic appreciation" that can be immediately felt as private. This confuses me, but I get a sense it is some sort of experience of the object experiencing as an actuality in time? And this accounts for some sort of actuality that is in the equation that Harman is missing. It is not all novelty and change, but occasions of apprehension as well. Is there anything else people find interesting here? There's a lot to unpack it looks like.
Another thing I found interesting was that it says that Whitehead wasn't a complete nominalist. And it wasn't a problem of access for Whitehead. He thought there were actual entities that comprised the volcano, from various thousands of actual occasions. I'm guessing the process of "concrescence" in Whitehead is what makes it a volcano versus just atoms (or individual occasions) doing stuff.
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Yes, the passage is an objection to Plato's version of Forms. I read it also to say there is a great distance between our grouping by kinds and whatever activity is producing these different beings.
My approval of Grant given earlier in the thread is that he puts the Aristotelian argument that there can be no science of accidents in a particular light. Accidents are obviously the source of actual outcomes, but we do not have a science for it. Is that a problem of overwhelming complexity or the order of the universe coming to some kind of limit?
I am not sure how this lines up with the argument between Harmon and Whitehead but is my attempt to answer what seemed closest to your request for an analogue in the text of Aristotle.
Intuition is a feature of the subject, and I think it is the basis for one's ontology.
Quoting Paine
Isn't statistics and probability the science of accidents? Or would you say that this does not qualify as "science"?
Those techniques may speak to the Aristotelian register of 'things happening for the most part' but does not treat them as a particular being which is treated as primary to all other qualifications.
Are you saying that happenings are not beings, and science only treats of beings?
That quote ironically is mimicking the very dichotomy that Shaviro lays out between Harman and Whitehead :grin:.
I was trying to say how I thought Aristotle framed the questions. i don't want to hijack the thread to address your more general question on that basis. I will ponder how to address it in the context of the OP.