Tidbits of Indian Philosophy: The Self, Non-Self, and Religious versus Philosophical Buddhism
Before we can even begin to discuss the meaning of anatta or non-self, we must discuss the meaning of the self. We in the west tend to separate the idea of the self from the soul. The self is a physical concept of who you are while the soul is the ethereal stuff underneath it all. Indian philosophy takes a different opinion on this. I am no expert on Indian philosophy as all I have is a laymans reading of the texts, not to mention that I see the similarities between Buddhism and Stoicism plain as day. When I read texts like The Upanishads I cannot help but see the self, atman in Sanskrit and atta in Pali, as something that is almost like a fusion of the soul with the physicalist conception of the self as if they are one in the same. I am not a Hindu, but when I read up on various ideas in Hinduism it seems to me that the self in Hindu thought is both physical and metaphysical; Perhaps I am completely misunderstanding this and, if I am, someone enlighten me. Non-self is not suggesting that you dont really exist, that there is no real individual who has experiences. The whole self is illusory bit tends to sound like Sam Harris mixing his own biases with a bit of Buddhism. As I understand it through classical Buddhist thinkers such as Buddhaghosa, Siddhartha Gautamas overall point was to promote the idea that there is no permanent unchanging self and not You do not exist. So non-self is akin to David Humes bundle theory, that is to say, what we conceive as me, myself, and I is really just a collection of attributes that make up who we are (i.e. our physical traits, hobbies, interests, etc).
Now to discuss how I see Buddhism. Many western scholars have tried to argue that Buddhism was an attempted reform of Hinduism but I would like to make a correction to this: It was no reform but rather a critique of its core ideas. I see a distinct difference between religious Buddhism, the Buddhism spread from India that was primarily sinicized when it went to China and across East Asia, and what I (and probably others) term philosophical Buddhism, originating in the early Buddhist schools with its most pure ideas preserved in the modern day by the Theravadin tradition. To give an opinion about what I think the overall point of historical Buddhism was, I believe that it was a was a project not just geared at teaching to live a happy and virtuous life but also a social movement that criticized the Hindu view of atman (if my understanding of it is correct), attack the case system, and challenge the infallibility of the Vedas.
Being a theist, the only real conundrum I see with Buddhism is that it has no emphasis on a creator god. Contrary to what many people believe a creator is hinted at in the Pali Canon, Mahabrahma or Great Brahma, seemingly as an impersonal first cause that does not act in worldly affairs like the Judeo-Christian God or even the gods of Hinduism. Perhaps Gautama saw the gods of the Vedas as imperfect just as Socrates saw the gods of the Greek religion as imperfect. Philosophical Buddhism stresses the notion that one must pull himself up by the lobes of his own ears in order to combat suffering; Stoicism makes a similar case while accepting God as a first cause but again its not a god that acts in the world. I dont see Buddhism as an atheistic system as we have religious/theistic Buddhists. And I cannot say that it is agnostic because according to the canon divine forces do exist. I definitely see it as non-theistic, however. To the Buddhist, wrestling with the idea of an all powerful God or even just general gods that govern the forces of nature could perhaps make ones angst worse. Perhaps some metaphysical questions are best left unasked because, according to Gautama, the goal is an ethical life free from suffering.
Now to discuss how I see Buddhism. Many western scholars have tried to argue that Buddhism was an attempted reform of Hinduism but I would like to make a correction to this: It was no reform but rather a critique of its core ideas. I see a distinct difference between religious Buddhism, the Buddhism spread from India that was primarily sinicized when it went to China and across East Asia, and what I (and probably others) term philosophical Buddhism, originating in the early Buddhist schools with its most pure ideas preserved in the modern day by the Theravadin tradition. To give an opinion about what I think the overall point of historical Buddhism was, I believe that it was a was a project not just geared at teaching to live a happy and virtuous life but also a social movement that criticized the Hindu view of atman (if my understanding of it is correct), attack the case system, and challenge the infallibility of the Vedas.
Being a theist, the only real conundrum I see with Buddhism is that it has no emphasis on a creator god. Contrary to what many people believe a creator is hinted at in the Pali Canon, Mahabrahma or Great Brahma, seemingly as an impersonal first cause that does not act in worldly affairs like the Judeo-Christian God or even the gods of Hinduism. Perhaps Gautama saw the gods of the Vedas as imperfect just as Socrates saw the gods of the Greek religion as imperfect. Philosophical Buddhism stresses the notion that one must pull himself up by the lobes of his own ears in order to combat suffering; Stoicism makes a similar case while accepting God as a first cause but again its not a god that acts in the world. I dont see Buddhism as an atheistic system as we have religious/theistic Buddhists. And I cannot say that it is agnostic because according to the canon divine forces do exist. I definitely see it as non-theistic, however. To the Buddhist, wrestling with the idea of an all powerful God or even just general gods that govern the forces of nature could perhaps make ones angst worse. Perhaps some metaphysical questions are best left unasked because, according to Gautama, the goal is an ethical life free from suffering.
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A translation of one of the Upani?ads can be found here. It includes a dialogue between the sage Y?jñavalkya and a questioner.
I think this is a profound point which has no direct counterpart in Greek or later Western philosophy, as far as I can discern.
Quoting Dermot Griffin
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When asked directly as to whether the self exists or not, the Buddha declines to answer. This non-answer is understood to be the origin of Madhyamaka (Middle Way) philosophy which was greatly elaborated by N?g?rjuna and Mah?y?na Buddhism.
Quoting Dermot Griffin
Correct. Have a read of Buddhism and the God Idea, for a Theravada account. However, there are many points of convergence between Mah?y?na Buddhism and Christian mysticism, which have been explored in depth by e.g. D T Suzuki, Thomas Merton, and Alan Watts, to name only a few.
It is interesting to note that one of the early schools of Buddhism, Pudgalavada, taught that there was non-self but the pudgala, the person, existed. The very term Pudgalavada had been translated to Personalism by several western scholars (and personalism in 20th century philosophy was very influential). This causes me to pose a question: Why would some early Buddhists reject the idea of atman in favor of pudgala and reconcile the pudgala with anatta?
I too discovered that school when researching Buddhism, there's a good IEP entry on the Pudgalavada here. That article notes that it was prominent in Indian Buddhism, but never really took root in other Buddhist cultures and died out with the extinction of Buddhism in its motherland.
On the other hand, the Buddha-nature teachings of Mah?y?na Buddhism seem to come close to '?tman' views, in respect of there being a true self. But its exponents strenuously claim that buddha-nature - the potentiality of beings for enlightment - is categorically different to ?tman as it is devoid of an inherently-existing self or substrate (See here.)
There's controversy over whether Buddhism (especially N?g?rjuna) is nihilistic. I don't think it is, but from my interactions with Buddhists (I was a member and moderator of Dharmawheel forum for a few years) I think there's a potentially nihilistic intepretation that Buddhists can easily fall into. The problem is that if they do, it's very hard to persuade them that it matters, as nothing does. This is related to the problem of spiritual bypassing, in my view.
My view is that 'the unknowability of the self' as spelled out by the passage I quoted above, should really be taken seriously. I think it could be argued that the Buddha took it more seriously than the Brahmins, which is what leads to his famously apophatic approach to the nature of the self.