Saying Nothing by Janus

Caldwell August 06, 2023 at 03:51 450 views 20 comments
So say
the world is soft today
soft like wings
like flying like freedom—
the soft mind of
“anything might happen”

mountains are for climbing
but not today—
the idea is to be
approached softly,
and then it's gone
faded into the soft darkness

of distance
running like water
into the day
into the night
into the dark
into the light

into the mind of birds
the heart of the snake
the paws and teeth
of the pack
into the scent trails
crisscrossing the land

yielding as the imagination
in the face of the Real
in the face of chaos
and decay, leaving
it all behind—
today—

where does it land?
is it a soft
landing?
Is there anything
in the softness
left standing?


Say there’s still a need to find
somewhere
to begin
somewhere
which is nowhere
else it be a means
or worse
an end

Or a need to go
somewhere
to see
somewhere
which is everywhere
in some sense
or else there be a separation
that cannot mend

Like a hologram
every part the whole
somewhere is
everywhere
and nowhere
north is in the south
the ground is in the apex
of the pole


So...nothing to say
and so little time
to say it

say nothing then
it will not hurt
say nothing till
you’re under dirt

and then the nothing
you will no longer say
will be nothing
in another way

Comments (20)

javi2541997 August 06, 2023 at 06:55 #827481
Like a hologram
every part the whole
somewhere is
everywhere
and nowhere
north is in the south
the ground is in the apex
of the pole


and then the nothing
you will no longer say
will be nothing
in another way


These two verses are tremendous. They are the best, or at least, most important in the poem. You have to read this one very carefully and slowly. To me, all of these verses are related to the final seconds previous death and then the omnipresence of being everywhere afterwards.
god must be atheist August 06, 2023 at 07:04 #827485
The poem started off very nicely, and it kept its mood and point consistent.

It is NO FAULT OF THE POEM but I had to quit halfway through. It was too long for me. Poetry is not easy to write, it is not easy to read, it is something that needs focused attention, and of that I have very little to give.

Again, the fault is with me for not reading it to the end, but then again, I can't give an honest opinion on then, eh?
Benkei August 06, 2023 at 12:24 #827526
From the poems I read so far this starts off in a lovely rhythm but unfortunately falters first in the third paragraph, but it still works (although I'm not a fan of the somewhat forced rhyme there), crawls back a bit in the fourth to the original and then finally loses the cadence in the fifth.

The three likes in the first paragraph were jarring and unnecessary. I'd rewrite.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the hologram which doesn't evoke the imagery in the subsequent lines for me but I like things not being on the nose.
Caldwell August 06, 2023 at 19:50 #827655
Quoting Benkei
The three likes in the first paragraph were jarring and unnecessary. I'd rewrite.


So say
the world is soft today
soft like wings
like flying like freedom—
the soft mind of
“anything might happen”


@Benkei, I find it actually functional -- it explains further, which helps the readers. If I could make a change, it would be that I would make a line break and continue the "like freedom" below it. That is, I wouldn't make them appear on the same line. But that's just me.

I like the poem. The first two verses are great. Then the third changes to a chant-like dialogue, mimicking the movement of water, I guess. With a quick, slow or smooth pace.


of distance
running like water
into the day
into the night
into the dark
into the light


(I'm not crazy about the hologram)

The poem ends with the last three verses that flow smoothly.
If you read the poem to yourself, a bit louder than under your breath, with breaks in your utterance (how you want it), it works really well.

Overall, good job!

Noble Dust August 07, 2023 at 03:37 #827750
I've read this a few times and still struggle to find a rhythm to it. I think I struggle with these short lines. I have trouble knowing where if at all there are supposed to be breaks in the cadence. I'll try it a few more times. That said, it seems to suddenly arrive at a sense of clarity at the end, and I quite like these last stanzas:

Quoting Caldwell
So...nothing to say
and so little time
to say it

say nothing then
it will not hurt
say nothing till
you’re under dirt

and then the nothing
you will no longer say
will be nothing
in another way


Benkei August 07, 2023 at 05:08 #827757
Reply to Noble Dust Considering this comment and the other one about meter, we are definitely on different wave lengths! :lol:
Noble Dust August 07, 2023 at 05:12 #827759
Reply to Benkei

Ha, I was suspecting this might be the case! But this is what we need in this "activity"; discussion feels a bit slow on the upstart. Let's argue! *fists up* You want flow and I don't want it, eh? Is that right? What are you after? In poetry.
Benkei August 07, 2023 at 05:21 #827764
Reply to Noble Dust I'm after the evocation of experience in a novel way. If it doesn't do that, I'm bored and don't like it as poetry. So it's first about what's said (or what I think it says) and how. Some combination of words evoke more than others. Anything without cadence/rhythm is something I tend to dislike as well. I think poetry should primarily be listened to and if it isn't esthetically pleasing (why I fall over the three "likes") I like it less as poetry but can still enjoy it as story. But experience is foremost.

I walked in late on a classical concert once, missing the program. In the break I said "I hope that composer died young because that was fucking boring". It was a relatively unknown piece from Mozart but derivative as hell.
Noble Dust August 07, 2023 at 05:30 #827766
Quoting Benkei
I'm after the evocation of experience in a novel way.


I dunno if it'd use that as my guidepost or not for poetry, but I think I agree.

Quoting Benkei
I think poetry should primarily be listened to


I'll give a soft agree as I think you're technically correct here.

Quoting Benkei
I walked in late on a classical concert once, missing the program. In the break I said "I hope that composer died young because that was fucking boring". It was a relatively unknown piece from Mozart but derivative as hell.


I assume this is a joke.
Noble Dust August 07, 2023 at 05:37 #827769
I had a spill on my keyboard as I had many profound thoughts. Please hold.
Noble Dust August 07, 2023 at 05:40 #827770
Auto correct. Nevermind, I've forgot the profound thoughts. Sadly.
Noble Dust August 07, 2023 at 05:44 #827771
Woah now multiple realities of what I said are appearing. Way cool.
Benkei August 07, 2023 at 05:51 #827773
Quoting Noble Dust
I assume this is a joke.


Nope. True story. Mozart wrote some crap in his time too. We can't bat a 100. Or however the US saying goes.
Benkei August 07, 2023 at 16:44 #828008
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Amity August 08, 2023 at 19:11 #828386
This. Saying Nothing. Is bliss.

:pray: :heart: :sparkle:

Jack Cummins August 18, 2023 at 17:42 #831611
I feel that it needs a tune and to be sung, with wailing guitars. As for content, it brings to mind Wittgenstein's emphasis on the importance of silence. The poem, with its emphasis on 'softness' involves an appreciation of lack of fixed structures as opposed to fluidity. The unclear rhythm demonstrates this in the free flow of thoughts here.

Amity August 18, 2023 at 21:53 #831661
Quoting Caldwell
So say
the world is soft today
soft like wings
like flying like freedom—
the soft mind of
“anything might happen”


So, let's say or imagine that today the world is soft instead of hard and determined.
Possibilities are in the air.

***

Quoting Caldwell
mountains are for climbing
but not today—
the idea is to be
approached softly,
and then it's gone
faded into the soft darkness


What is the purpose of mountains? What kind of mountains? Those made out of molehills?
Or by the deepest of thinkers.
Mountains of the mind. Challenging thoughts, that can twist and torture. Or obstruct.
Not for today.
The idea is to be flexible; relaxed and breathing into the moment...

***

Quoting Caldwell
of distance
running like water
into the day
into the night
into the dark
into the light


Fading into the soft darkness of distance...flowing free like a slow, gentle waterfall.
Transitioning time and moods. Into everything.

***

Quoting Caldwell
Say there’s still a need to find
somewhere
to begin
somewhere
which is nowhere
else it be a means
or worse
an end


Let's say a need remains to start with nothing, no place. Can we have a blank slate to be free to go where we will. Or is our life already spoken for. From nowhere to nowhere.

***
Quoting Caldwell
So...nothing to say
and so little time
to say it


A despairing existential crisis? Or simple acceptance of the brief time (left) on earth.

Quoting Caldwell
say nothing then
it will not hurt
say nothing till
you’re under dirt


Why or who won't it hurt, if nothing is said when alive?
The poet-philosopher? Is there a dangerous idea.
So write but in secret and keep hidden until there can be no repercussions.

Quoting Caldwell
and then the nothing
you will no longer say
will be nothing
in another way


Quoting Caldwell
The poem ends with the last three verses that flow smoothly.
If you read the poem to yourself, a bit louder than under your breath, with breaks in your utterance (how you want it), it works really well.


Thanks. That did work very well.
A quietening down...to nothing. Silence. Saying Nothing.


180 Proof August 23, 2023 at 05:12 #832905
My favorite. Zen-like? Even reminds me of lyrical snippets from "Good Morning, Good Morning" & "All You Need is Love" & "I Am the Walrus" Were you in a Summer of Love-state of mind :sweat: when you composed this one, @Janus? (Possibly, I was/am.) :smirk:
Amity August 23, 2023 at 17:59 #833084
Reply to 180 Proof Yes. I loved this too. I hope to find out more from @Janus.
'Saying Nothing' is not an option, ya' hear?!
Janus August 23, 2023 at 22:05 #833152
Reply to 180 Proof Cheers 180, that means a lot coming from someone whose mind I hold in high esteem. Yes, the "Summer of Love-state of mind" lingers perpetually, (I live five minutes from Nimbin in New South Wales; the archetypal hippy town) but when it is all boiled down and demystified, I'd say it is a flow state, a state where poems kind of write themselves. :cool:

Reply to Amity Thanks Amity, the appreciation is appreciated. I wish I could have contributed more to the literary discussions and feedback, but I've been really busy preparing paintings for an exhibition and trying to keep up maintenance on the rural property where I live.

I enjoyed your analysis. :smile: