Shaun and Quigley by Baden

Noble Dust August 06, 2023 at 04:45 675 views 28 comments
Quigley there, a skull tentacle careening over his sweaty brow, which brow threatens to trap it in its sticky embrace. Would be a pity as this particular lock, longer and more adventurous than any other is his most lively appurtenance, physical or mental, his thin body being uninspiringly limp, hardly more than a prop for the large nose and angular ears, and his demeanour only as animated as required to produce the banalities of a primetime TV host. Let's not even bother exploring the inner mental wardrobe, no more (and probably less) attractively kitted out. So, the hair flits and his mouth pops an inquiry of familiar enterprise.

“Any new songs for us, Shaun?”

Shaun says nothing. Quigley sits still. The studio lights shine in his eyes. He feels more uncomfortable than usual. Shaun doesn’t look at him. Shaun seems to be looking into the lights. He isn't blinking. Quigley wonders if Shaun is conscious.

He knows Shaun is hardly a natural at the interview game, his fitful mouth farts crawl forth like exhausted crabs from holes in the mud. With effort, there's meaning to be had but relations to words seem incidental, the most captivating element usually not the sounds but the thing producing them—mesmerising that something that damaged can produce audio. And with no audio, you feel compelled to test the pulse. The eyes are open but vacant, the skin old paint, ancient whitewash flecked and mottled on a waxen mug crowned with tufts of hair that sprout too from pudgy ears and nose. Time is not Shaun's friend. Time has puked all over Shaun, digested him, and now leers over him about to suck up the remains. In his jumble of disgust, Quigley fears that any pause may be permanent. And a part of him hopes it is.

Now Shaun turns to Quigley, his face a muddled cheese of creamy pocks. The teeth, multicoloured forts, jut out obliquely, flecked with blackened windows of bacterial hoardes. Shaun stares and Quigley's stiff frame wobbles in the bright, wobbles a smile, breaks the air that way, softly wobbling silent groans of inadequacy through him. Fidgeting, Quigley almost scratches his balls (on live TV!) and the awareness squeezes a flush of embarrassment. He jerks his stray hand from his crotch.

Shaun sees and gives his hissy laugh. Quixotic Shaun, jester Shaun, helpless, seething, child-monster, Shaun. The laugh pisses out his toothless mouth, a vicious mirth sprinkling its stink–whiskey, cigarettes, beans. Now, under the lights, Quigley is afraid. The audience smell it, smell him, the child in the man, sweating in silence.

Shaun’s mouth jerks into life, “Were ye lookin’ for yer balls, Quigley?”

The audience roar raucously and Quigley fixes a strained grin.

Shaun, animated now, pushes himself towards Quigley “That reminds me of a story of when I had a wank onstage. It was to help me hit a high note”.

“Well now, Shaun…”

“But I’m not sayin’ you were tryin’ to have a wank, hsssss.”

Shaun collapses in fits of mirth.

Quigley hears himself asking desperately.

“So, what happened then, Shaun?”

“I hit the fookin' note didn't I, hssssss.”

“Very good, very good, Shaun.”

“Yeah, a wank is great when all you want is a wank as me old da used to say. The wanker….” Shaun trails off.

The audience's titters are subsiding. Quigley notices owl eyes of disapproval among some. He wonders whether cutting to ads would help but Shaun stands up and announces.

“I have a new song for ye.”

The audience applauds obligingly.

“Well Shaun, that, that’s…” Quigley begins, terrified.

“Yes, it fookin' is. Now listen!” Shaun takes a deep breath and looks as if he’s about to sing then breaks off suddenly.

“I forgot to tell ye. It’s about yer man here,” he says pointing to Quigley. “Hssss.”

Quigley. Reflexive grin. Bowels roping themselves into nooses.

Shaun sings in clearly improvised melody:

“A wanker like me da
called me for a chat
on his wanker’s show
how about dat?
I did it for the money
as everybody does
but swore I’d fuck it up
Just for the lolz
He helped me along
when he tried to scratch his balls….”

Half the audience are laughing along uproariously while a growing number are murmuring their distaste. Quigley, in a panic, signals to the producer to cut to ads.

Shaun sits down, arranges himself deftly, and stares at Quigley.

“Why’d ye cut me off.”

“Well, Shaun…”

“Your show is shit. I was trying to liven it up.”

Shaun’s newfound perspicacity takes Quigley off guard.

“There's guidelines on language and eh, well, I was thinking when we resume–we've got two and a half minutes–if we could just..”

“It’s not for them, ya fuckwitt. It’s for you. I came here to save you. I’m your Jesus. You’ve been dying all these years. I’ve come down from the cross to bring ya back to life.”

The disconnect between this mad clarity and Shaun’s ruined doughy features is so disconcerting, Quigley considers he may be suffering auditory hallucinations. With the mics off, the audience can'’t hear a thing but are watching quizzically.

“D’ya want to be a patsy all yer life, Quigley?”

A woman runs onstage and grabs Shaun’s leg.

“Get off me, ya feckin’ eejit.”

“Listen Quigley, time’s running out. This is how it’s going to be. You can have compos mentis me or compost mental me–I’ll go even madder than you thought I was and take a shit right here on the stage the minute the cameras come back.”

“Compos mentis!”

“But then I ask the questions. You just sit back and go with the flow, buddy.”

“It’s not… That’s not…”

Shaun stands up and starts to take his belt off.

“1 minute to live”, a voice shouts.

“Keep the pants on. Jesus. Fuck. OK!”

The woman clinging onto Shaun's leg looks up at Quigley reproachfully.

“Mind your language. Show some respect.”

“I told you to get off”, says Shaun, shaking his leg fom her grip, tying his belt, and sitting down.

“30 seconds!” someone calls.

The woman scrambles back to her seat.

“Just follow my lead, Quigley. I'll make you a star. Hssss.”

The show resumes with Shaun addressing the cameras.

“Things are going to be a little different tonight folks, ladies and gentleman, respected viewing audience, TV lovers, scum. I’m the guest but I’ll be asking the questions. Quigley here, your beloved host of many years, absolute gentleman, all round good egg, and disgusting capitalist tool has agreed to humour me in this endeavour and for that let’s all give him a big round of applause.”

A scatter of confused claps ensues.

“Diving straight in: Quigley, why did you invite me on this show?”

“Shaun, everyone loves you and…”

“Bollocks. You know what, don’t worry, Quigley, I’ll do the answers as well. You invited me on this show because despite the fact that I’ve been an apparent catatonic wreck for years, a human fungus on the verge of terminal disintegration, that’s what makes good TV, yes? The freak makes good TV, right? The carefully packaged commodified dirt bag celebrity fuck-up presented for the pleasurable dissection and consumption of the ignoramuses who spend their precious non-working hours watching el idiot boxo, correct?”

“Shaun…”

“Shut up, Quigley, you worm. If you were ever half a man, you’d have kicked me in the nuts before I even started this speech. The only people worse than you are your audience. I’ve a right mind to take a shit right here in contravention of our previous agreement as my comment on your collective intellect. I spent years acting the zoned-out drug-addled celebrity to get you fuckers out of my head and something better in it. And while you’ve been slobbering over my apparently rotten barely-living corpse, I found it. I’ve read history, I’ve read politics, I’ve read philosophy, I’ve read literature, and I’ve come to the conclusion that ye’re all a shower of pricks, the whole lot of ye! You’re a bunch of zombies incapable of believing anything other than the satisfaction of your animal needs can make you happy. You’re insects and parasites and the world would be a better place if none of ye ever existed! Death to consumerism! Death to TV! And death to ye all!”

“Go on Shaun, ya good thing!” the woman who grabbed our man’s leg shouts.

“Shut up, you muppet!” Shaun shouts back.

“Anyhow, what makes even better TV than me pretending to be a subhuman wreck and why your dick of a producer hasn’t cut me off yet is me standing here abusin’ you freaks. Tellin’ the truth. The truth is TV. We’re all fuckin’ TV. That's what you've reduced us too. But I’m not bitter. I’m a truth teller, yeah, but also, more importantly, a vessel of love. I can’t save ye all but I’ve come to save Quigley from himself and from ye vipers. Quigley, I’ve watched ya for years. You’re a spanner playing the role of a hammer, my friend, and it’s killin’ you. You remind me of meself, kid. It took me years to discover me as an artist. I was a spanner too but this fucked up capitalist shitshow we call modern society kept giving me nails to bang into holes. You’re a spanner trying to bang nails into holes, Quigley, and you have been all your life! It’s time now to find a nut to get a grip on. At last and for once in your life be yourself! Let’s find that nut! Come on folks, a bit of encouragement!”

The audience cheer.

“Go on, Quigley, ya spanner!” someone shouts.

Quigley remains frozen in his chair, inwardly and incessantly praying Shaun keeps his pants on.

Shaun moves towards him and kneels down.

“Take my hand, Quigley.”

“What… ?”

“It’s time.”

Shaun grabs Quigley’s limp hand in his and jerks himself and Quigley up. Quigley stands dazed and Shaun marches him to the nearest camera.

“This is a man!” Shaun shouts into the lens. “Fuck ye all and what ye’ve done to him but he’s free now! He’s free! Say it with me, Quigley! We’re free!”

“Eh… Eh…”

“Say it!” Shaun’s hands reach menacingly for his belt.

“We’re free!” Quigley croaks.

“That’s it, Quigley, we’re free and fuck ye! We’re free and fuck ye!”

“We’re free and… and… “

“Come on!”

“Go on, Quigley, ya good thing!” the leg grabber runs onstage and clings to his knees.

“We’re… we’re…”

“GO ON!”

“WE’RE FREE AND FUCK YE!” Quigley screams with sudden and violent release.

“YES!” shouts Shaun and raises their arms together, shaking them menacingly before spitting a huge glob of snot into the nearest camera.

Quigley collapses onto the leg grabber underneath him.

“Brilliant!” a voice shouts from offstage and a shirted man in glasses runs out to embrace Shaun. “Brilliant, fucking brilliant!”

Quigley jerks spasmodically.

The man looks down at him. “Sorry, bud, need to know an’ all that”

“You… you fucker, Simon. You… My… My lawyers...” Quigley splutters.

“We ran it by our lawyers first, Quigley. It’s legit. Check your contract. Which, by the way, isn’t being renewed next season.”

Quigley stares, an odd blankness overcoming him.

“We wanted you to go out on a high, my man. And you did. I mean, the show did, and you’re the show. Well, were. We’ve found your replacement.”

“Sorry, bud.” Shaun interjects. “Looks like I passed the audition, wha'? Hssss.” He turns distractedly to the leg grabber “You. My dressing room. Five minutes.''

Quigley remains frozen on the floor. The producer leans over, prods him curiously.

Comments (28)

javi2541997 August 06, 2023 at 18:40 #827624
Nice. I see this as a picaresque story. Shaun is a low character. He gets by by with wits, and it is difficult for him to be heard or hold a job. Once a pícaro, always a pícaro. The situation and context will never change for good on the side of Shaun. Maybe I am wrong, but I also perceive a bit of satire in the plot. On the other hand, it is written with originality and dialogues are credible.
Noble Dust August 07, 2023 at 03:25 #827747
I don't remember encountering the name Quigley before, so I was tickled from the beginning. I need to re-read this, but it's rather funny and intense and even a bit disturbing all at the same time. Very well written. This seems like an example of how a short story functions the best; we're dropped right in without context and by the end we understand what happened and the result of the events is rather unexpected.
180 Proof August 07, 2023 at 07:57 #827821
A talk show parody of "... Godot"? Loved it! :lol:
Benkei August 07, 2023 at 10:02 #827863
Bloody fantastic! Better than my own entry, I'm sorry to say. The muppet who voted "it's ok" can go choke on Shaun's dick. If I have to niggle, I found the introductory paragraph a bit too convoluted.
Tobias August 07, 2023 at 10:10 #827867
Reminds me of Hanover, but very British... Another one of Jamal's perhaps. I liked it.
Benkei August 07, 2023 at 10:14 #827868
Reply to Tobias I'm suspecting Baden. He has a thing for accents.
javi2541997 August 07, 2023 at 10:18 #827870
Quoting Tobias
Reminds me of Hanover,


It reminds me of Hanover too :lol:
Benkei August 07, 2023 at 10:22 #827872
Second quibble on my second readthrough:

Quoting Noble Dust
“Brilliant!” a voice shouts from offstage and a shirted man in glasses runs out to embrace Shaun. “Brilliant, fucking brilliant!”

Quigley jerks spasmodically.

The man looks down at him. “Sorry, bud, need to know an’ all that”

“You… you fucker, Simon. You… My… My lawyers...” Quigley splutters.


It could be made clearer what's going on. It resolves itself in the end of course but I stumbled over it, even the second time. Maybe just say it's the producer. Or make him say "you're hired" or "you're fired" to one of them. That's perhaps too direct but I think it could do with a slight improvement there.
180 Proof August 07, 2023 at 11:26 #827889
Also reminds me of Hanover but I suspect it's Baden ... or unenlightened. :smirk:
Jamal August 08, 2023 at 09:04 #828263
Scabrously brilliant and funny. The profusion of outrageous metaphors and similes is pleasingly mad. I was less keen at first on Shaun’s righteous lecture, but it sets up the twist, in which the apparent subversion is shown to have been already a co-opted faux authenticity. Heavy, bitter satire, and very enjoyable. In a world in which Mattel’s Barbie movie is called subversive, this story is very relevant.

I’m pretty sure I know who wrote it.
Jamal August 08, 2023 at 09:08 #828265
Quoting Benkei
I stumbled over it


I did too, but as it was quickly resolved I didn’t mind.
Jamal August 08, 2023 at 09:55 #828273
I forgot to mention the writing. When I noticed how long the second sentence was turning out to be I thought, come on, don’t fuck this up. But I had nothing to worry about: the author is totally in command and obviously experienced.
Nils Loc August 10, 2023 at 04:32 #828998
Surreal, grotesque and cynical reality television. Same guy who wrote about dead baby shoes? Sets the bar quite high writing wise. Could be an episode of Black Mirror.

Some of us might need antidepressants or a noose after the show.
Jack Cummins August 10, 2023 at 12:54 #829124
It reminds me of Irvine Welsh, with a slight gothic feel. I like the way it reads but I found the ending a bit disappointing but I felt that the sexual aspects were a bit too much sensational without going much further. In that sense, I think that it needs to be developed a little further to really capture more depth. The characters are distinct and I would like to know more about them beyond this scene.
Amity August 10, 2023 at 14:02 #829143
Shaun and Quigley

On my first read, I couldn't get past this:

Quoting Noble Dust
Quigley there, a skull tentacle careening over his sweaty brow, which brow threatens to trap it in its sticky embrace.


I say, what? I just couldn't picture it...

Time passed and comments read - hmmm, seems to have quite a following this show.
So, I tuned in and wasn't turned off.

Quoting Noble Dust
He knows Shaun is hardly a natural at the interview game, his fitful mouth farts crawl forth like exhausted crabs from holes in the mud. With effort, there's meaning to be had but relations to words seem incidental, the most captivating element usually not the sounds but the thing producing them—mesmerising that something that damaged can produce audio. And with no audio, you feel compelled to test the pulse


'With effort, there's meaning to be had'. Ain't that the truth. But there's no sound. Time to take the pulse.
How are ratings?
Hmmm. Life seems to be kicking in:

Quoting Noble Dust
Shaun’s newfound perspicacity takes Quigley off guard.
“There's guidelines on language...


Oh yeah, them language guidelines...we all know the rules, right!
But Shaun isn't sticking to them, not even to Quigley's brow. Though pretty sure he's tempted to gie him a Glesgae kiss.

Quoting Noble Dust
“Things are going to be a little different tonight folks, ladies and gentleman, respected viewing audience, TV lovers, scum. I’m the guest but I’ll be asking the questions.


Brilliant turnaround. Look who's in charge now. With a vengeance.
Just cos you look like an idiot, don't mean you don't know nuffink:

Quoting Noble Dust
“Shut up, Quigley, you worm. If you were ever half a man, you’d have kicked me in the nuts before I even started this speech. The only people worse than you are your audience. I’ve a right mind to take a shit right here in contravention of our previous agreement as my comment on your collective intellect. I spent years acting the zoned-out drug-addled celebrity to get you fuckers out of my head and something better in it. And while you’ve been slobbering over my apparently rotten barely-living corpse, I found it. I’ve read history, I’ve read politics, I’ve read philosophy, I’ve read literature, and I’ve come to the conclusion that ye’re all a shower of pricks, the whole lot of ye! You’re a bunch of zombies incapable of believing anything other than the satisfaction of your animal needs can make you happy. You’re insects and parasites and the world would be a better place if none of ye ever existed! Death to consumerism! Death to TV! And death to ye all!”


Love the piss-take. As if he couldn't have come to his somewhat negative conclusions without searching through all that academic reading. Did he include the latter in his 'Death to All Pricks' rant?

Cut to the chase. The big reveal. The setup and final turnaround:

Quoting Noble Dust
Quigley stares, an odd blankness overcoming him.
“We wanted you to go out on a high, my man. And you did. I mean, the show did, and you’re the show. Well, were. We’ve found your replacement.”

“Sorry, bud.” Shaun interjects. “Looks like I passed the audition, wha'? Hssss.” He turns distractedly to the leg grabber “You. My dressing room. Five minutes.''

Quigley remains frozen on the floor. The producer leans over, prods him curiously.


Does anyone care enough to take his pulse? Nah.
He's as dead as the white dot on an old black and white. Power off.

***

Yeah, well...glad I tuned in. I guess I kinda enjoyed it...




hypericin August 15, 2023 at 08:50 #830615
This one is a formidably well written story. Despite stepping into some troubled waters in the opening, the author soon found their rhythm. The over the top language and imagery hit more than they miss, and can be pretty hilarious. In terms of sheer verbal craft I think this one is the winner.

Shaun and Quigley are not people, they are hyper-Dickensian caricatures. So Quigley is not merely banal, he is vapidity itself. And Shaun is what? The ultimate dissipated rock star? I guess, but it took me a bit to figure that out. Shaun didn't 100% work for me.

Quoting Noble Dust
The eyes are open but vacant, the skin old paint, ancient whitewash flecked and mottled on a waxen mug crowned with tufts of hair that sprout too from pudgy ears and nose. Time is not Shaun's friend. Time has puked all over Shaun, digested him, and now leers over him about to suck up the remains. In his jumble of disgust, Quigley fears that any pause may be permanent. And a part of him hopes it is.


How old is this guy? To me, this described a real ancient, parchment skin stretched over crumbling bones, just barely clinging to life by the slimmest of margins. It took me a while to realize that this was a comedic exaggeration of the faded rock icon. This sabotaged my understanding of the story a bit the first read through.

His teeth,

Quoting Noble Dust
multicoloured forts, jut out obliquely, flecked with blackened windows of bacterial hoardes.

finally fall out, and he is "toothless" moments later.

Tripping me up, he called Quigly his "da" in his doggerel. Is that a dialect thing?

Quoting Noble Dust
“Your show is shit. I was trying to liven it up.”

Shaun’s newfound perspicacity takes Quigley off guard.


But he seems here about as perspicacious as before. What does Quigley know the reader doesn't?

Quoting Noble Dust
“It’s not for them, ya fuckwitt. It’s for you. I came here to save you. I’m your Jesus. You’ve been dying all these years. I’ve come down from the cross to bring ya back to life.”

The disconnect between this mad clarity...


Does this sound like mad clarity, or mere madness?

This in general is the problem I had with the "two Shauns", the contrast wasn't as sharp for me as I think was intended. He was brash, crude, and unconventional before, and brash, crude, and unconventional after. I wished for more from the "truth telling" speech, though it was not bad. But this is philosophy site, the author might have really opened fire with some high explosive truth bombs.

But these are ultimately just "quiggles". This is a fine story indeed, two thumbs up, way up, from me. IMHO the author's best yet.


Benkei August 15, 2023 at 12:57 #830650
Quoting hypericin
But he seems here about as perspicacious as before. What does Quigley know the reader doesn't?


I took it as background info on Shaun, who was an idiot in other programs. I was imagining Ozzy Osborne BTW.
Caldwell August 20, 2023 at 16:01 #832056
I think I know who wrote this. :smile:

But, then, I've been surprised before. The writer has maintained the flavor of the story without fail. The over-the-top garishness of the dialogues did not lose me. On the fourth and fifth paragraph, the focus is on Shaun. We get to know how he was just prior to the moment about to unfold in front of the audience. Then sometime later, comes Shaun's monologue addressing the audience about Quigley. What a read. This writer had a vendetta.

I must say that the opening paragraph was not as smooth as Duct Tape's first two. The writer of that story allowed the readers to relax and ease into the story without having to use a lot of mental gymnastics to get a footing.
Baden August 22, 2023 at 17:56 #832770
Reply to javi2541997 Reply to Caldwell Reply to Benkei Reply to hypericin Reply to Amity Reply to Jack Cummins Reply to Nils Loc Reply to 180 Proof Reply to Jamal Reply to Tobias

Thanks for the feedback all. I'm glad most of you liked it. The first paragraph is a little convoluted and the first line a bit of a risk but that was the seed line for the whole piece so I kept it as is, and hey, you need to take risks sometimes. Most of the story was written in the days approaching the deadline so there is some inelegant phrasing and a few logical inconsistencies (like Shaun having teeth and then no teeth--thanks hypericin! I actually noticed this before you mentioned and was hoping no one else would lol). I've ironed those out and also, along the lines of Jack Cummins' criticisms, fleshed out Quigley a bit. I generally edit and develop stories a lot before deciding on something final and the feedback you've given here has really helped that process.

Anyhow at the risk of boring you, here's what it's (supposed to be) about:

Shaun and Quigley are inversions of each other that travel through three distinct relationships with the social (asocial, antisocial, prosocial) in opposite directions. Shaun’s initial vegetative state is asocial, the realm of the mad, a position of escaping the social but consequently not being able to function. Quigley’s initial state is the prosocial, a tool of the system. They meet in the middle, in their antisocial “rebellion”, but their momentum takes them on to the respective former state of the other.

In Shaun’s case, his anti-socialism gets eaten up by a consumerist/patriarchal society which simply celebrates and rewards him for it rather than being threatened by it. And in Quigley’s case, his anti-socialism results in him being ejected from the social altogether and being unable to function (a “blankness” overtakes him and he’s unable to speak or move as he’s prodded by the producer).

The idea is that these initial and final states are undesirable but seem inevitable. Consumer capitalism, (I’m drawing from influences like Zizek and Mark Fisher here, especially the latter’s book, Capitalist Realism”) is uncannily resilient and amorphous in its ability to neutralize ideological threats. It seems there is no alternative. Even when criticising it in fiction. There’s a sense you have to play its game by cloaking the message in farce, irony, and entertainment, otherwise you’re preaching or being sentimental or whatever.

So, my sympathies here are with the meat in the sandwich, the antisocial Shaun and Quigley, despite their tragic trajectories, and with the serious message underneath the farcical presentation. I want people to laugh and at some level be uncomfortable at what they’re laughing at.

Anyhow, I think the story is decently enough written as it is, but I was still very pleasantly surprised by the enthusiastic reaction of some of you. Really made my day and week, or was it two weeks? So, a big thanks for reading and responding. I'll continue developing it and hopefully not mess it up. I realize too this is a long post and I haven't dealt with your comments individually, but I'm going abroad in a few days (again) and I wanted to get in as much as possible in case I'm not able to reply much later. :pray:

Baden August 22, 2023 at 18:03 #832772
Quoting hypericin
But he seems here about as perspicacious as before. What does Quigley know the reader doesn't?

“It’s not for them, ya fuckwitt. It’s for you. I came here to save you. I’m your Jesus. You’ve been dying all these years. I’ve come down from the cross to bring ya back to life.”

The disconnect between this mad clarity...
— Noble Dust

Does this sound like mad clarity, or mere madness?


Oh, maybe I should just respond to this. The idea here was Shaun "wakes up" initially but only into a kind of drunken rock star state that though, uncomfortable for Quigley, would be within the bounds of expectation. But then he develops further into someone who seems to be on a real mission (rather than led by random emotional outbursts) and kind of flips the tables on Quigley so Quigley is the victim and he's in charge. It's here where Quigley begins to be jolted from his position of patronising host into subject of experimentation.

Also, let me add that any resemblance between Shaun and Shane McGowan and Quigley and Ryan Tubridy is purely coincidental.
Noble Dust August 22, 2023 at 19:32 #832794
Quoting Baden
Oh, maybe I should just respond to this. The idea here was Shaun "wakes up" initially but only into a kind of drunken rock star state that though, uncomfortable for Quigley, would be within the bounds of expectation. But then he develops further into someone who seems to be on a real mission (rather than led by random emotional outbursts) and kind of flips the tables on Quigley so Quigley is the victim and he's in charge. It's here where Quigley begins to be jolted from his position of patronising host into subject of experimentation.


This came through for me on the first read. :up:
Baden August 22, 2023 at 19:34 #832796
Reply to Noble Dust

:cool: :up:
hypericin August 23, 2023 at 00:25 #832865
Quoting Baden
Shane McGowan

:lol:

180 Proof August 23, 2023 at 05:45 #832915
Quoting 180 Proof
Loved it! :lol:

Reply to Baden :cool: :up:

Benkei August 23, 2023 at 07:36 #832924
Reply to Baden What made this story work is kind of what makes this famous rant work:



Shaun is telling it in a way that we can only dream of doing: eloquent and no fucks given. So it resonates, at a certain level, with that part we keep down most of the time because it's the civilised thing to do but it's still there. And this story gives a release to that.
Baden August 23, 2023 at 13:32 #832967
Reply to Benkei

:fire: :up:

hypericin August 23, 2023 at 21:21 #833142
Quoting Baden
Shaun and Quigley are inversions of each other that travel through three distinct relationships with the social (asocial, antisocial, prosocial) in opposite directions.


This is great. I actually appreciate the story more after reading the explanation. Did you expect readers to explicitly understand this?
Baden August 24, 2023 at 08:34 #833248
Reply to hypericin

Not really. It wasn't even planned. But it kind of turned out that way and I realized at the end that's one explanation for what was going on. I hope the logic of it comes across at some level for readers.