Authorial Speculation

hypericin December 29, 2023 at 20:50 675 views 59 comments
Speculation on authorship is allowed at any time during voting. However, please keep these postings here.

As always, authors should refrain from revealing their identities until voting has concluded.

Comments (59)

Noble Dust January 01, 2024 at 04:33 #867237
These are the authors in alphabetical order:

180 Proof
Baden
Benkei
Beverley
Christoffer
Hanover
Hypericin
Jack Cummins
Javi2541997
Lionino
mentos987
Noble Dust
ToothyMaw
ucarr
Unenlightened
Vera Mont
Lionino January 01, 2024 at 17:34 #867411
Honestly, I have no clue :rofl:

"Rip out the grass" has some Spanish elements to it, understandably, as it is set in the Philippines. Nonetheless, I would say it is by a Spanish-speaker. As Vera points out, it feels like a translation. Javi I am guessing. But now after seeing ucarr's comment, I think it is ucarr lol
ToothyMaw January 01, 2024 at 17:46 #867420
Reply to Lionino
Baden revealed himself basically, or he is very committed to making it seem that way. Either way, go read "A Special Christmas", it deserves the love I couldn't give it.
javi2541997 January 01, 2024 at 18:25 #867436
Quoting Lionino
"Rip out the grass" has some Spanish elements to it, understandably, as it is set in the Philippines. Nonetheless, I would say it is by a Spanish-speaker. As Vera points out, it feels like a translation. Javi I am guessing.


I promise I am not the only person who uses Spanish things or words related to Spain. For example, last year, in the previous contest, a story was plotted in Dénia and although some thought it was written by me, it turned out that the author was Jamal. I mean, there are members of TPF who were in Spain once, and they have been inspired by architecture or other elements.
Hanover January 02, 2024 at 01:49 #867681
I liked this short story in that it was very short, it offered helpful advice, and it was written by someone other than @Noble Dust.

I give it an 11/10 on the Spinal Tap meter.
javi2541997 January 02, 2024 at 07:38 #867742
My first attempt to speculation:

I Dream of Simon was written by [s]Jack Cummins[/s] Edited

Dawn was written by Hypericin or Noble Dust.
Baden January 02, 2024 at 08:09 #867745
Quoting ToothyMaw
Baden revealed himself basically, or he is very committed to making it seem that way.


The greater the ambiguity, the greater the pleasure. :smile:
Benkei January 02, 2024 at 08:29 #867749
Rip out the grass! = javi
Fugue = Noble Dust
javi2541997 January 02, 2024 at 13:13 #867809
The Tale of Jack Doe: I'm hesitating between Benkei or Hanover.
Baden January 02, 2024 at 14:48 #867831
Going from memory on the titles and entrants here but anyhow:

The Story of THING - Hypericin
Rip out the grass - Javi
A Socialist Christmas - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Baden January 02, 2024 at 14:49 #867832
Quoting Benkei
Fugue = Noble Dust


:up: I'll run with that too.
Baden January 02, 2024 at 14:50 #867833
Quoting javi2541997
The Tale of Jack Doe: I'm hesitating between Benkei or Hanover.


Definitely Hanover. :up:
Hanover January 02, 2024 at 15:23 #867856
Reply to Baden I can't imagine you've not figured out which one I wrote.
Noble Dust January 02, 2024 at 15:31 #867861
Reply to Hanover

Now I'm confused; i thought this was your submission:

Quoting Hanover
My dryer broke, likely from a power surge from a recent thunderstorm. I took a string and tied it at various places throughout my garage, zigzagging about, turning my garage into a drying hanging room.

The clothes don't dry when I open the door to my garage because dryers stop drying when the door is open, and the clothes know this and so they do as they were reared.

One clothes of mine, Jiminy Blueshirt. remarked to another clothes of mine, Peggy Onesock, that he didn't like the slowdry of the dryroom, but he preferred the quickdry of the drybox. Peggy disagreed, but she likely was just distraught and being contrary due to her losing her partner, Robert Othersock.

Baden January 02, 2024 at 15:35 #867862
Reply to Hanover

Shaddap.

Reply to javi2541997

Y’see, Jack Doe is basically Hanover’s sad real life autobiography. Well, let me tell you all about Hanover, yessir. The dude comes on here boasting about screwing chickens and all that but he’s never screwed a chicken in his life, believe me. In fact, despite his talk of liasons with a whole host of farmyard animals I have it on good authority he doesn’t even live on a farm. It’s all a fantasy. He lives in a regular suburban semi. I have sources. So, when Hanover–if that’s even his real name– is not in his boring 9 to 5er he’s hanging out in his semi alone making up stories about an erotic bestial existence most of us could only dream of. It’s about envy you see. That’s all he’s got is our envy. The stories of threesomes with ponies and pumping his sheepdog are not factual. Do not get sucked in by this guy’s lies. Do not be deceived and consumed in jealousy. He is exactly Jack Doe and nothing more. None of the devastatingly erotic barnyard sex ever happened. Just forget it. It’s not healthy. I can tell ya. Yeah, I know about Hanover alright. The dude is just not right in the head. :rage:
180 Proof January 02, 2024 at 15:39 #867865
Quoting Baden
A Socialist Christmas - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

:lol:
Hanover January 02, 2024 at 16:52 #867904
Reply to Baden You don't know me, not at all. I'm a chicken fucker if there ever was a chicken fucker, just like my deddy and his deddy before him. I also do have me a yard full of chickens, goats, dogs, and you know what else? Go ahead, take a guess about what else is in my backyard lyin up in the hay in the barn. Bet you can't guess.

Well, I'll go ahead and tell you. It's your mama callin out my name. That's who it is, but I ain't goin. Know why? Been there, done that. I ain't goin back to that well. Done drunk there one too many times.
javi2541997 January 02, 2024 at 17:30 #867929
Quoting Baden
He is exactly Jack Doe and nothing more. None of the devastatingly erotic barnyard sex ever happened. Just forget it. It’s not healthy. I can tell ya. Yeah, I know about Hanover alright. The dude is just not right in the head.


Absolutely.

During the nearly three years that I've been reading and posting on the shoutbox, I've come to the conclusion that Hanover dislikes the system and is a counter-revolutionary leader. Instead of being noisy, he decides to act in a more subtle way, using sarcasm and irony. Otherwise, he would have spent hours writing manifestos, but he's not that type of guy. I don't know to what extent 'The Tale of Jack Doe' is the personification of Hanover. Still, if it actually is, I must congratulate him for facing an ordinary life without bitterness!
Lionino January 02, 2024 at 19:05 #867963
Quoting Baden
Y’see, Jack Doe is basically Hanover’s sad real life autobiography.


:rofl:
Hanover January 02, 2024 at 19:52 #867990
Quoting javi2541997
During the nearly three years that I've been reading and posting on the shoutbox, I've come to the conclusion that Hanover dislikes the system and is a counter-revolutionary leader.


Yes, this is it. To all who read me as a conservative suburbanite yelling at people to get the hell off my lawn, you missed it! I'm disguising myself as one of them so that I can erode the system from within, but now that I've been discovered, I'm about to unleash my fury.

First thing I'm going to do is not roll my garbage can back to the garage after pick up day. Fuck all of you. It's going to sit at the street, letting everyone know Hanover plays by Hanover's rules. Sure I'll bring it in after a while after my wife needs to throw away the boxes from the Amazon deliveries we've been getting for our new puppy (totes adorbs), but for those few extra hours, my whole damn street will be getting the middle finger.

Waa haa haa haa.
hypericin January 03, 2024 at 03:02 #868186
The Blue Walls - Jack Cummins
Interlude - Benkei
Dawn - Vera Mont?
Contingent - Toothy Maw?
Santa's Anally Fermented Testicle - Baden
javi2541997 January 03, 2024 at 05:34 #868201
Interlude: Lionino? or... ucarr?
javi2541997 January 03, 2024 at 17:55 #868395
The Blue Walls: I am hesitating between unenlightened and Jack Cummins.
hypericin January 04, 2024 at 17:29 #868773
I got mixed up, Santa's Anally Fermented Testicle is Hanover, duh.
hypericin January 04, 2024 at 23:43 #868930
And The Tale of Jack Doe must be Baden.
hypericin January 04, 2024 at 23:49 #868931
Rip Out the Grass is Javi, clearly
Benkei January 05, 2024 at 13:44 #869125
The story of Thing = Baden
Hanover January 05, 2024 at 14:04 #869128
Reply to Benkei If you're right about this, then that would mean @Baden actually did plant a glowing review of his own story in the comments as I accused him of.

It would be well played if he tried that, but that feels more like a Hanover or maybe a @Michael move than a Baden move, although maybe under my tutelage, his sense of humor is maturing to where he's becoming more capable of such advanced humor.
Christoffer January 05, 2024 at 14:49 #869136
Quoting Hanover
If you're right about this, then that would mean Baden actually did plant a glowing review of his own story in the comments as I accused him of.


It's problematic to make a comment on all stories since we would solve who wrote what by just checking what people didn't comment on. So leaving a comment on your own story may be to hide yourself as the author of it. :sweat:
Noble Dust January 05, 2024 at 15:14 #869144
Reply to Christoffer

I've done this before. :razz:
Jack Cummins January 05, 2024 at 15:18 #869145
I am still in the midst of the stories, but I have been thinking that 'The Story of THING' is by @180 Proof. Something about the style of the writing is the basis for this speculation.
180 Proof January 05, 2024 at 18:53 #869236
:chin:
Jack Cummins January 05, 2024 at 19:36 #869247
Reply to 180 Proof
It is an interesting exercise of presumptions of knowledge of authors. Some guesses may be completely loaded and wrong. It is such a controversial and interesting area for thinking about, especially in relation to bias. At school, when I forgot to put my name on a piece of English writing, it got the highest mark which I ever received from that particular tutor. Also, while studying psychiatric nursing, all written work had to be submitted anonymously, but most pieces were known from tutorials.

The whole area of objective evaluation of art and stories is so complex, because it involves subjectivity and psychology. It is also interesting to think about what works as a whole, in the climate of fiction, such as writers like Cormac McCarthy, Angela Carter and Stephen King. These authors are esteemed, while many have fallen by the wayside, popularity etc.

The guessing game of this contest leads to such ideas being questioned and, even repudiatiaded, through surprise. Perhaps, as writers, it is possible to reinvent oneself, to the point where identification is not obvious. Let us hope that all of this may be understood as fun, as the unveiling of uncertain aspects of writers. How well does one know another's mind, or even one's own, and its potential?
.

180 Proof January 05, 2024 at 19:48 #869254
Reply to Jack Cummins I try not to repeat myself in style or theme from story to story as much as possible to challenge – stretch – myself and keep the 'guessing game' interesting for others. Writers like musicians, painters and other creatives usually have telltales which give them away but I try to ignore those authorial signs in order to better enjoy the work itself.
Jack Cummins January 05, 2024 at 19:56 #869257
Reply to 180 Proof It is hard to know whether authorial style and art should be repeated or not. When I was at school my art teacher suggested that art style should be unique and identifiable. This could lead to the way in which Status Quo's music riffs were completely identifiable. The tension between identifiable styles and unusual developments is critical. So, we may ask is it a good or bad thing if others can recognise and identify our stories, or not?
180 Proof January 05, 2024 at 20:13 #869261
Reply to Jack Cummins IMO, what an artist should do is always be interesting and never be boring by creating for herself (e.g. what she wants/needs to read, or listen to, or see) first and foremost. I suspect most (of us) are too lazy to do that ...
hypericin January 05, 2024 at 20:17 #869262
Quoting 180 Proof
IMO, what an artist should do is always be interesting and never be boring by creating for herself (e.g. what she wants/needs to read, or listen to, or see) first and foremost. I suspect most (of us) are too lazy to do that ...


What better way of knowing what you create has merit other than if it is something you would enjoy? The alternative, creating for what you think a third party audience enjoys, is more difficult, less enjoyable, and probably produces inferior results.

I think I am too lazy not to write for myself.
180 Proof January 05, 2024 at 20:19 #869263
Quoting hypericin
I think I am too lazy not to write for myself.

:cool:
Noble Dust January 05, 2024 at 20:26 #869266
Quoting hypericin
I think I am too lazy not to write for myself.


:up: I definitely don't have the know-how or experience to claim to do this with fiction, but this is how I create music. The fact that I still keep making it and hardly anyone listens to it should verify this fact. :cool: :cry:
Jack Cummins January 05, 2024 at 20:38 #869272
Reply to 180 Proof
Being interesting is important, as opposed to being boring and predictable. Life's harsh aspects may lead us to give up or wake up, and I wonder how this tension stands in the quest for creativity and the pursuit of art? However, I will try not to get lost in the maze of such philosophical conundrums, and get back to the stories and give feedback during the weekend...

In particular, I will try to cast aside ideas of who the author of each story is, as this may lead to unconscious bias. Feedback before and after authors are identified may be especially useful. In writing groups, reading of my own story was performance of my own writing voice, and the raw aspects of creative writing and story may be seen more objectively when the fetters of personality and personal identity are removed. Hopefully, that may lead to better clarity in the art of writing, fiction or other writing. Zooming in from the subjective and, standing aside, objectively, may be extremely important here.
hypericin January 05, 2024 at 21:04 #869283
Quoting Noble Dust
I definitely don't have the know-how or experience to claim to do this with fiction, but this is how I create music. The fact that I still keep making it and hardly anyone listens to it should verify this fact. :cool: :cry:


Haha, same actually, I create music as well. Definitely the only way to do it. I have no audience either, but really it doesn't matter, if I create something I love, listening to it afterward gives me a literal high.

I'm not sure what is so hard about writing for yourself. Is the plot something you would want to read? Do you enjoy the style of prose you produce? Reading it over, is it good writing in your estimation? Do you get a little thrill of pleasure reading it, or does it feel uncomfortable? These are consistent guideposts, even if you can't always consistently answer 'yes'.
Noble Dust January 05, 2024 at 21:23 #869291
Quoting hypericin
Haha, same actually, I create music as well. Definitely the only way to do it. I have no audience either, but really it doesn't matter, if I create something I love, listening to it afterward gives me a literal high.


Very cool. Same here, I do get a high from listening back. Which may seem weird. Maybe it is! Oh well.

Quoting hypericin
I'm not sure what is so hard about writing for yourself.


I only dabbled here and there with writing fiction before we started doing these contests. So I feel like I don't know what I'm doing, whereas I've been taking music lessons since age 6 and writing songs/music from about age 13 or so.
hypericin January 05, 2024 at 21:26 #869294
Quoting Noble Dust
I only dabbled here and there with writing fiction before we started doing these contests. So I feel like I don't know what I'm doing, whereas I've been taking music lessons since age 6 and writing songs/music from about age 13 or so.


Oh nice, that's really early, I wish I did too. I started much later, so I have some technical limitations I will never overcome.
hypericin January 05, 2024 at 21:32 #869295
Errand Boy is stylistically 180 Proof's.
Noble Dust January 05, 2024 at 21:33 #869296
Reply to hypericin

Well, I never learned proper harmony and counterpoint at a collegiate level, so I still have plenty of limitations. My biggest challenge is breaking out of my harmonic comfort zone because of this. There's no end to learning, I reckon. But anyways, back to author speculation. Oh wait, I know who all of them are.
Hanover January 05, 2024 at 22:26 #869325
Reply to Noble Dust I tried harmony, but I found I was better at dissonance.
Noble Dust January 05, 2024 at 22:30 #869332
Reply to Hanover

What a shock.
180 Proof January 06, 2024 at 03:35 #869478
"Dawn" ... Vera Mont.
Lionino January 06, 2024 at 19:37 #869694
Also Dawn by Vera Mont.
Lionino January 07, 2024 at 16:25 #869988
Contigent is very weird stylistically, I can't pin it down.
Dream of me – ucarr
Christoffer January 16, 2024 at 15:05 #872728
Current guesses...

Fugue = Benkei
Yuletide Justice = 180 proof
A special Christmas = Baden
Dawn = Vera Mont
Rip out the Grass = Javi
The Blue Walls = Beverley
Noble Dust January 16, 2024 at 15:32 #872734
Should I make a fake list to throw everyone off? :chin:
Lionino January 17, 2024 at 12:02 #872930
Quoting Noble Dust
Should I make a fake list to throw everyone off? :chin:


Now that you say, I don't think it will be so effective.
Hanover January 17, 2024 at 14:16 #872963
Quoting Christoffer
A special Christmas = Baden


That sounds right.

unenlightened January 17, 2024 at 15:37 #872973
I am extremely annoyed that no one thinks I wrote anything. Talk about me, damnit!
Hanover January 17, 2024 at 17:04 #872987
Reply to unenlightened The person most against competition won the competition, proving the world works.

You must now be like Dylan, and refuse your reward.
wonderer1 January 17, 2024 at 17:04 #872988
Quoting unenlightened
I am extremely annoyed that no one thinks I wrote anything. Talk about me, damnit!


I've been wondering who the author of Unbecoming was since I read it, but I had no inkling of who had written it.

Nice job.
unenlightened January 17, 2024 at 18:03 #873013
Quoting Hanover
..be like Dylan, and refuse your reward.


Of course. Have your nothing back and donate it to charity. There, that'll learn ya!

And here's some Dylan lyrics for comparison:

[quote=Bob Dylan]After a while we took in the clothes
Nobody said very much
Just some old wild shirts and a couple pairs of pants
Which nobody really wanted to touch
Mama come in and picked up a book
And Papa asked her what it was
Someone else asked, “What do you care?”
Papa said, “Well, just because”
Then they started to take back their clothes
Hang them on the line
It was January the thirtieth
And everybody was feelin’ fine

[Verse 2]
The next day everybody got up
Seeing if the clothes were dry
The dogs were barking, a neighbor passed
Mama, of course, she said, “Hi”
“Have you heard the news?” he said with a grin
“The Vice-President’s gone mad!”
“Where?” “Downtown” “When?” “Last night”
“Hmm, say, that’s too bad”
“Well, there’s nothing we can do about it,” said the neighbor
“It’s just something we’re gonna have to forget”
“Yes, I guess so,” said Ma
Then she asked me if the clothes were still wet[/quote]

I left out the denouement in case some have not heard the whole yet. But I think you can see how alike we are in writing and storytelling power.
180 Proof January 17, 2024 at 23:26 #873154
Quoting 180 Proof
Dawn" ... Vera Mont.

My first and only guess – it's her voice, she had me from the opening sentence – the best story IMO.