Errand Boy by ucarr

Noble Dust January 01, 2024 at 02:18 525 views 44 comments
I was terrified. Mr. Berger was going to look at my pages. I had a two-hour deadline to get my pages in good enough shape for possible use. A screen test! Mr. Berger would have his ace director Mr. Curtis direct a screen test for Greta Karlsson, flown in from Stockholm yesterday! The production was going to be top flight, with Jordan Adelman manning the camera. Everything, of course, had to be done on the QT.
How did an errand boy from Central Ave. write a scene for a Swedish ingenue?
While Pop was in the kitchen of the commissary having lunch, I was hustling over to Mr. Berger’s office across from the writers’ building. Whatta coincidence! My escapade into writing for the movies was playing across the street from the writing staff that, maybe someday, I would join.
Before that big event, however, we first hadda smash Hitler, free the oppressed and – wowzie! I hadda get my pages ready after driving Mr. Berger’s limo over to the fire station where it would get a wash and detail.
Since pop was grooming me to take his place as Mr. Berger’s chauffeur next year, I decided not to tell him about my screenwriting career. Mom and pop already had a tortured history of screaming matches over my life-in-the-clouds future dreams.
Hey! This colored boy was walking inside the greatest studio not only in Hollywood but on earth, in the solar system and throughout the Milky Way galaxy. The great shield of the four German brothers from Poland was my shield too. They were from Poland; I was from Atlanta and we were all dreaming under the hot sun and blue sky hovering over Forest Lawn.
After delivering the limo and racing back to Mr. Berger’s office, I would have a decision to make; sneak into the writers’ building and again annoy Howie Lawrence, currently awash in U-boat exploits in the north Atlantic, or soldier on by myself. He wanted me at one of those Red meetings, but I was scared. Good people were losing their jobs. Soldier on I decided.
I was leaning against the bannister on the first floor of the writer’s building when she walked right up to me. It was Greta Karlsson! “You’re the boy writer.”
Stunned, I started choking on my own spit as I tried to talk. “How do you know that?”
Completely relaxed, she was smooth as a bowl of cream. “Mr. Berger told me you’ve got a spark of talent he’s trying to ignite.”
“Yes! Your screen test today. Are you nervous?”
She smiled at me, trying not to laugh. “No. But you are. It’s just a screen test.”
Easy for her to say. She already had a career in Stockholm. These pages were my ticket out of the limo into the palace. “I wrote a love scene for you. But don’t worry. It’s just a song you wanna hear. Your guy hates it, but you wanna hear it.”
My description piqued her interest. “That sounds very dramatic. Let me see dat script.”
She had her hand extended toward me before I could formulate a polite refusal. Okay. I had read some of the script pages for the big, romantic war picture gearing up for production while Mr. Berger was out of his office. Figured I could advance myself by echoing work done by the pros. On the other hand, if Mr. Berger thought I was stealing, my dream life was a goner.
I thrust my pages forward. Seconds ticked off like hours as she read them.
Seeing her face looking up from the last page with a smile spreading her red lips was a flashback to gazing under the Evergreen tree on Christmas morning.
“She still loves him, doesn’t she? I can’t wait to play it. What comes next?”
“Huh?”
“I think they should hire you on to the writer’s building.”
I didn’t faint and I didn’t collapse. Instead, I kept right on stealing from the script I wasn’t supposed to read.
“Well, you know, of course, there has to be trouble in drama.”
“What can you tell me?”
“The song is followed by a kiss and then a goodbye.
I arrived at the canary-yellow, wood-framed house in Echo Park off Glendale Blvd. The dim-lit living room held a small company of attendees. Most of them looked like workers in various trades with their denim slacks and flannel shirts.
The leader, Agnes, was a squat, middle-aged woman in paint-splattered slacks and a tight-fitting t-shirt. She had a pack of smokes folded inside one of her short sleeves. A wide-brimmed fedora, beat-up and dusty, sat atop her head at an angle. I liked her look, mannish, but that was okay because she was stylish, although her weight was starting to get out of control.
Howie Lawrence, who sat next to Agnes, shot me a glance. Was that a look of satisfaction? Yeah, I’d finally made it to one of his Red meetings. Driving over in my jalopy, I was so nervous I screeched out from an intersection where a patrol car was adjacent to me. For a hot second, as the officer came up beside me and looked, I thought for sure I was getting pulled over for committing treason.
Now arrived at the meeting, I was still trying and failing to laugh at myself for being more skittish than a cat up a tree.
They were shrewd enough to pass around the basket before starting the meeting, so I had to cough up a buck. I didn’t want folks to think I was one of those profit-managing skunks without a conscience.
After a briefing on a long list of picket lines I was expected to join in support of my brethren workers, I had enough of a guilt trip to hesitate when Agnes, in front of the whole group, invited me to join up. I was stuttering out a weak excuse about being between paychecks when Mr. Lawrence tossed my membership dues into the basket. I was being groomed for what: a new life in Russia?
Well, now I was in. By the close of the meeting, I was buzzing with excitement because I suddenly knew what I was in: danger. However, even a stint on the Green Mile, awaiting my final exit to the electric skillet that would cook me alive, was not enough to make peace with my archenemy, Boredom.
I was beating it outta there when Mr. Lawrence dropped a wisecrack that gave me pause at the open door: “As they say, money is like manure. If you spread it around, it makes things grow. If, on the other hand, you hoard it up, oh, brother how it stinks.”
“Isn’t that right, Jeremiah?”
He had me this time as I knew it was true. When Pop got skinned for two hundred bucks by some poker sharpies, only reason we had food on the table for the next month was ‘cause some coworkers at the studio passed the hat.
It was time to face the executioner. “You’re right, Mr. Lawrence.” “You saved me.”
I was shocked when my confession totally failed to please him. “You have to save yourself. Isn’t that why you’re here?”
His face was so stern I knew neither my appearance nor my confession had won his approval.
“I owe everything to you. It’s a terrible thing for a father to slay his son.”
“Still joking, even now, when your bright future dangles by a thread.”
“I never thought you’d put your job on the line with Mr. Berger to save my screenwriting career.” I suddenly thought to myself, “Career, hah! Pipedream.”

“You can’t steal from other writers, especially not when you’re being appraised as new talent.”
“There’s something I don’t get. How come they shot the scene I wrote for Greta Karlsson? I expected the Wilson brothers to object. Can’t say I blame ‘em. It’s their dialogue I stole. I know you threatened to walk if Mr. Berger tossed me out on my ear, but the Wilson brothers. How’d I get past that juggernaut?”
“You never repeat this, got it?”
“Got it.”
“Mr. Berger is the best mogul in Hollywood when it comes to spotting talent. He likes the comedy tweaks you added to the Wilson brothers’ dialogue. And, apparently, so does Greta Karlsson. Your little scene cemented her casting in the role.”
I suddenly felt stricken with dizziness. Was I awake or hypnotized? Was Mr. Lawrence an evil, conniving Red, or the Savior in disguise?
“Speak of the devil. Know where I’m going? To a little dive over in Silver Lake. Guess who I’m going to see?”
“Miss Karlsson gets around, doesn’t she?”
“How did you know?”
“If only you could’ve seen the look on her face when she talked about you, especially whenever she said your name.”
My briefs suddenly started developing a strong charge of static electricity. “Gotta go.” I was so hot I neglected to thank Mr. Lawrence for saving my creative life.
“One thing, Jeremiah.”
I froze in my tracks and turned back to him.
“Hollywood is a debris field of human wreckage. That’s especially true for ambition in a hurry. You’re still a colored boy.”
Was I ever. I saluted Mr. Lawrence with a quick “Right.”
I got out and slammed the door. Had to walk around the adjacent car, either front or back, because I was forced to sardine my coupe into the absolute minimum curb space that would accept it. Silver Lake was stingy with free parking, especially on Saturday night.
I stepped onto Silver Lake Blvd. and tightened the belt around my trench coat, thinking I was Joel McCrea in Foreign Correspondent, except without his length. The image of Agnes had me wanting a snap brim fedora crowning my locks. I’d have to make time to get one.
Going forward, I made my way towards The Scratch Paw nightclub, a scary dive down a neon-swabbed alley just south of Sunset Blvd. I side-stepped the puddles pooling the red and green colors of excitement.
A wag at the studio Fire Dept. had told me Wallace Beery killed a man in this alley. Hmm. Now was the time as I approached the bouncer at the entrance. Curious thing was this bouncer bore resemblance to boxer Max Schmeling. Like Schmeling, his nose was kinda flat and his lips were kinda thick. Maybe that’s why he was letting me in. If Ty Cobb was right and The Babe had been passing in the American League, and Joe Louis got his ass whooped in the ring by one of his own kind, why shouldn’t I slip right into this bar?
Do or die time as I’m going for this entrée into the caressing arms of a Swedish darling, or the hellfire of humiliation of a colored errand boy rebuffed, in Hollywood no less.
Hobey held his beautiful slant eyes upon me as I got near; losing my nerve, I snatched out of pocket a ten-spot and, giving the stylish pug a smile, held it out. In a continuous, flowing motion, I glanced up at the neon drop of blood oozing from the Scratch Paw marquee as he took the money, opened the door and waved me inside.
The dungeon environs, with pungent smoke of cigars and cigarettes, took my eyes from me for about twenty seconds and then, I saw her. Greta Karlsson was sitting in a booth. She wasn’t alone. I wracked over my peepers to a sleek gentleman in a bespoke wool suit. His combed-back hair was Arabian black and even from twenty feet I could see he possessed the stiletto charm of a mafioso.
So, she likes her men dark, I thought whilst walking over to the booth. I was so taken with the eye candy growing in my field of vision I nearly collided with a buxom waitress sporting hair piled higher than a stack of pancakes.
Uh oh. An embarrassment of riches! Once I had a close-up on lover boy, I started thinking, “If the men in Hollywood continue looking this motherfucking good, I might have to start crossing the line.” For the time being, however, I was focused on Greta. Her creamy white skin had a soft, pink-hued glow that caressed the air in our booth.
That’s right. The air in our booth. I sopped sweat from my brow as I leaned back and smiled, beginning to relax into an exclusive white world that everybody on earth should have at least a fleeting taste of, especially the glorified variety populating America.
“You made it.” She was giggling her bosom and cooing at me. The other man looked on, flashing us up with a shy, expectant smile. I suddenly got the impression he was along for the ride. I wondered if Greta and I were going to be the show. Next moment I started checking my runaway imagination. Greta and I were going to be the show? I reminded myself she was here to become a movie star. Surely her success meant pushing me into the rear-view mirror of her gaudy sports car.
It wasn’t long before the buxom waitress was before us, awaiting orders. Greta asked for champagne, the natty gentleman would have a beer and I was having – the waitress narrowed her eyes at me, hesitating with a stern, scrutinizing look. Say, this joint was outlaw. I’d made my first visit on business, delivering a message to an AWOL writer deep in his cups. Now I was here as a customer a few months short of my twenty-first birthday. It was the first of a night of big decisions: make a bid for alcohol, or play it safe?
“Lemme have a cream soda,” I said to her with all the bravado I could muster. She awarded me with a little knowing smile that, curiously, gave me a lift.
Since I wasn’t being carded en route to being busted, I was free to direct my attention toward my glamorous mentors in crime. First stop, Greta.
“I love your pink lipstick, especially the way it semaphores with your pink and gray frock, so smartly garnished with a glorious, two-toned waist bow.”
Oh, boy. That wowed them alright.
“Oh, Jerry. You have a way with words.”
Greta was much pleased with my close notation of her lovely look. Regaled, I thought to myself, “Sure, honey doll. Nothing I like better than closely scanning a beautiful, stylish woman.” But the gentleman, if anything, was even more pleased. “You noticed the black line I put into the waist bow. I’ve got producers not as sharp.”
Greta, seeing my puzzlement, quickly explained. “Let me introduce you two. Jerry, meet Lorenzo, he’s my wardrobe designer.” She put a finger to her lips. “Don’t tell anyone about this. It’s a crime to wear wardrobe off set.”
She looked at him for reassurance and he blushed a rosy smile, leaning forward towards me. “She’s always getting me into trouble. I don’t know why I’m so intent upon pleasing her.”
“Maybe it’s ‘cause she makes your outfits look like a million bucks. And furthermore, what better place to debut a new dress than the local, outlaw, dive bar?”
As I swept the space with my gesturing arms, together we raised the room tone with our guffaws.
Our drinks arrived and we grew silent during a few sips. Greta’s mind suddenly startled her memory of the second half of the introduction. “Oh, I forget to introduce you, Jerry. Lorenzo, Jerry is the writer who punched up the lines for my screen test. He’s so good, I got cast for the movie, and now he’s in good with Mr. Berger.”
“Well congratulations, Mr. Jerry.” Smiling broadly, Lorenzo held up his highball glass of beer and extended it towards me. I started lifting my cream soda and he pushed my hand down. Oh, I was being offered a sip from his beer. I leaned into the glass and took a taste. The bitter taste of an expensive import, previously unappealing, suddenly became delicious and I had another taste.
I leaned back against the sticky, screechy leather upholstery and started floating away upon a cloud of alcoholic bliss. I grabbed the edge of the table, not wanting to hit the ceiling with the top of my head.
“I’m going over to the jukebox and throwing in some nickels.”
With that, Lorenzo was up and away from our table. I turned my head slowly towards Greta. Her eyes were waiting for mine when they arrived. I smashed down hard on my impulse to look away, instead making bold and holding her gaze. In just that moment, she had all of me. I felt what it was like to possess a soul because I had just lost mine. She nailed the clincher when she put her petite hand on top of my jigsaw-craggy mitt.
Was that Doris Day white-girling the hell out of a silky jazz ballad?
I didn’t know what to do. Our peepers were locked and loaded with lusty desires. I had been too scared to go for the underage beer; was I too scared to go for the Swedish doll? I put my hand on top of hers. I didn’t press down; instead, I let the pressure of gravity telegraph my feelings with the lightness of tenderness.
“Let me buy some cigarettes.” With that, she stood up from the table. She was looking at me, waiting expectantly.
I had crapped out with the beer challenge. I wouldn’t no-show the girl challenge. I stood up and smiled at her. “There’s a vending machine down at the end of the hallway, near the bathrooms.”
I gave her my Charles Boyer smile, hoping I could match the French actor’s debonair smoking technique upon returning to table. I pointed the way forward and together we walked down the rear exit hallway towards the bathroom.
It felt good taking a leadership role with her for a change.
There it was: girl, boy, and whoopee.

Comments (44)

javi2541997 January 01, 2024 at 09:10 #867279
There are a lot of things in this short story. Many characters in different situations. It is important to start with the title because, thanks to this, we can know why the author wrote all these paragraphs. Errant boy... And an 'errant' person, someone whose actions are considered unacceptable or wrong by other people.

But this is not the main thing about this character (at least what I understood), because the main character just wanted to present a screen test for a film, and at a precise moment of the story it got accepted. It is funny when the author is sarcastic. One of the characters is a Swedish 'genuine' girl named Greta... Obviously, a funny reference to Greta Thunberg. Keeping up with the technique of this short story. It reminds me of 'A confederacy of dunces' in Toole style. The main character goes through a lot of experiences, in different places, with different people so fast.

It is not bad, it is a good story, but it is not my cup of tea. Yet I congratulate the author on his effort.
Vera Mont January 02, 2024 at 15:56 #867871
Very 50's Hollywood and very stylish... I even get a subtle whiff of Raymond Chandler.
I liked the protagonist: smart, ambitious, defiant and young enough to be a bit self-contradictory and waver in his self-confidence.
A couple of quibbles: it's unnecessarily cluttered with names; the period ambiance was enough. For some reason, my ear snagged on 'guilt trip' as out of temporal context. The single big problem for me is the last scene. Too sudden - not enough buildup.
I haven't rated it yet, because I like it a lot - just can't decide how much my reservations detract from that. Another reading is in order.
Amity January 02, 2024 at 16:21 #867887
The Errand Boy

This is a long, cinematic piece. The main character is Jeremiah, Jerry, the Errand Boy, the Boy Writer, the Coloured Boy, being groomed by his Pop to replace him as limo chauffeur but J and others have different dreams. And scenes to act in.

Throughout we hear and see J as he goes from terrified at being discovered to hoping that he will be discovered as a writer. For the big silver screen of Hollywood.

A distinctive voice which changes tone and form, depending on inner and outer dialogue and who he is relating to. Or manipulating.

With fine descriptions of clothes: trench coats, hats, and his beloved Greta's wardrobe gown. The various settings, we find ourselves in the McCarthy era. The repression of so-called Reds in late 40's America.

Quoting Wiki - McCarthyism
The primary targets for persecution were government employees, prominent figures in the entertainment industry, academics, left-wing politicians, and labor union activists. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive and questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person's real or supposed leftist associations and beliefs were often exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment and the destruction of their careers and livelihoods as a result of the crackdowns on suspected communists, and some were outright imprisoned


The characters in this story are all playing their parts, in more ways than one. It's an intelligent piece, perfectly described using all senses and dastardly dialogue. Some bits:

Quoting Noble Dust
How did an errand boy from Central Ave. write a scene for a Swedish ingenue?


Well, he apparently stole ideas from someone else's script, calling them his pages. What would that make him? A plagiarist, an opportunist or just a writer who tweaks and adds his little comedy scene to turn the head of the biggest and best Hollywood mogul. Greta Karlsson is likewise smitten with the boy, who 'cemented her casting in the role'.

We see him going places: the Scraw Paw nightclub. Brilliant description of the bouncer with a kinda flat nose and thick lips of a boxer. There's a whole load of cultural references I don't catch. But I get the drift.
Specifically, J's soldiering on. Talking himself up when his confidence needs a boost. Way to go!

Quoting Noble Dust
Do or die time as I’m going for this entrée into the caressing arms of a Swedish darling, or the hellfire of humiliation of a colored errand boy rebuffed, in Hollywood no less.


Immersive. We can smell the dangerous atmosphere as our eyes tear up.

Quoting Noble Dust
The dungeon environs, with pungent smoke of cigars and cigarettes,took my eyes from me for about twenty seconds and then, I saw her. Greta Karlsson was sitting in a booth. She wasn’t alone. I wracked over my peepers to a sleek gentleman in a bespoke wool suit. His combed-back hair was Arabian black and even from twenty feet I could see he possessed the stiletto charm of a mafioso.
So, she likes her men dark, I thought whilst walking over to the booth. I was so taken with the eye candy growing in my field of vision I nearly collided with a buxom waitress sporting hair piled higher than a stack of pancakes.
Uh oh. An embarrassment of riches!


Uh oh. The near collision a splash of slapstick humour!

There is an overwhelming richness of inner dialogue. His thinking moves along sexual lines. He is both someone groomed by the influential (see the sacrifice of Mr. Red Lawrence) and someone who considers 'starting crossing the line'. Attractive and attracted to men and women but with a clear focus on Greta. Her smooth relaxed creamness. Her 'smile spreading her red lips was a flashback to gazing under the Evergreen tree on Christmas morning.' She inspires him with the question: 'What can you tell me?' She wants more of his story. The simple answer is 'The song is followed by a kiss and then a goodbye'.

This affirmation of success:

Quoting Noble Dust
Her creamy white skin had a soft, pink-hued glow that caressed the air in our booth.
That’s right. The air in our booth. I sopped sweat from my brow as I leaned back and smiled, beginning to relax into an exclusive white world that everybody on earth should have at least a fleeting taste of, especially the glorified variety populating America.
“You made it


There's so much I've left out and much more I want to say. Later...













Amity January 02, 2024 at 18:28 #867945
I finished with a 'Later...'
But I don't think there will be. At least none of substance. What will be, will be.
I laughed at: Quoting Noble Dust
Was that Doris Day white-girling the hell out of a silky jazz ballad?
The song 'Love me or Leave me'?

An adorable last line: 'There it was: girl, boy and [makin'] whoopee':
[My insertion]

[i]He's washin' dishes and baby clothes
He's so ambitious, he even sews
But don't forget folks
That's what you get folks, for makin' whoopee[/i]



***

Many Congratulations and Thank You! 5 :flower:



Vera Mont January 02, 2024 at 19:22 #867978
On second reading, I still think it's a very strong story.
I particularly appreciate the juxtaposition of a desire for glamour and luxury against clandestine social justice activity; of naive celebrity-worship against cocky self-promotion, sneaky opportunism against loyalty and gratitude: portrait of a clever young man in the process of inventing himself.
I still like the atmosphere and descriptions, and I still find the end somewhat disappointing.
Nils Loc January 05, 2024 at 17:31 #869192
A well written, complex and realistic period piece, which stands out among the short story entries here so far. Fantasy always has a lot more wiggle room compared to setting up and gathering all the details for something like this. Kudos to the author for such an accomplishment, which has raised the bar in my opinion. Was it easy to write or an arduous labor of love and determination? Would be interested to hear from the author a bit about the creative process behind this one.

Vera Mont January 09, 2024 at 00:08 #870554
I think this one has been been unjustly neglected. Maybe some readers find it difficult to rate?
Noble Dust January 09, 2024 at 00:16 #870561
Reply to Vera Mont

I agree it's been neglected. I plan on re-reading and commenting more...as I do with most of them...I suppose I need to put my money where my mouth is. Knowing who the authors are does change how one approaches commenting, for better or for worse.
Amity January 09, 2024 at 08:14 #870718
Quoting Vera Mont
I think this one has been been unjustly neglected. Maybe some readers find it difficult to rate?


Yes. Only 5 votes in the company of a few comments. 2 readers enjoyed and gave a 5. One gave it a 4 and 2 others the happy medium 3.

Potential reasons:
1. Too long
2. Not enough spacing between the paragraphs. Or separation of scenes.
3. It's not liked.
4. Some readers who don't like, don't want to spend the time to say why. Or how it might be improved.
5. There might be some bias. Other stories can be identified with a particular author. They will afford more time to stories they don't necessarily like but because...
6. It couldn't possibly be that readers can't identify with the narrator because...
7. It would work better as a film.
8. Laziness.
9. Waning interest in the contest, after a quick read and vote. Done and dusted within 5 days.
10. A principle or personal rule of not replying to stories judged as lower than a 3. Pretty much like 4.

Quoting Noble Dust
Knowing who the authors are does change how one approaches commenting, for better or for worse.


Yes. I think that's pretty much like point 5.
I am sometimes guilty of reading with an author in mind and I can't seem to shake it. It leads to being more generous than I would otherwise be, I think...

Re point 2. For an easier read, the story can be C&P, then edited in a word document. Perhaps print out.
Amity January 09, 2024 at 08:42 #870721
Quoting Vera Mont
Maybe some readers find it difficult to rate?


Perhaps so.
There's still time to go. Some readers have other commitments. A lot can happen in a week!
Just read and enjoy, don't worry about the damned votes. Or even giving substantial comments.
I'm sure the author would appreciate a simple sentence.
This is supposed to be fun. No stress!


Benkei January 09, 2024 at 08:49 #870723
I read it and scored it but it wasn't for me. The lack of spacing didn't make reading it pleasant but also the conversations felt inconsistent. Jerry says: "Lemme have" but also "“I love your pink lipstick, especially the way it semaphores with your pink and gray frock, so smartly garnished with a glorious, two-toned waist bow.” If I'm going to accept Jerry talks like the second (which I don't), he doesn't say the first and vice versa.
Amity January 09, 2024 at 08:52 #870725
Reply to Benkei
I agree that there is a change in voice. I think I mentioned that in my post.

Quoting Amity
A distinctive voice which changes tone and form, depending on inner and outer dialogue and who he is relating to. Or manipulating.


I think he is smart but sometimes wants to hide it, or fit in...the masks of an actor.
Outlander January 09, 2024 at 08:54 #870727
I don't know what it is but I had to force myself to keep reading it. It's late, I had a bit to drink, though that's actually when I'm most sharp.

(Again trying to avoid reading comments before posting my unabashed opinion, but gazing at "it was too long")

Seems a bit heavy on the detail, which is actually great for a true screenplay, as in text to movie, but becomes a tad burdensome when reading as a novel. In my view, at least. Not that it was too long, just that at the end of it, all he did was have intercourse with a (not quite) movie star? I mean, what about his career? His expectations and plight as a minority in an era of prejudice and low expectation?

I don't know, it's kind of growing on me imagining it as an actual movie scene versus a novel I guess.

There's good dialogue. A theme of acceptance, perhaps even coming of age/rite of passage. There just seems to be a few exchanges and elements of background information that just don't seem to get any acknowledgement, resolution, or development by the end. Kinda like filler. There's no real "antagonist" or "struggle" or "conflict" other than the fact he stole or "borrowed from" something "but it was OK" because his peers liked his creative touches he made on it. Aside from the struggle to make it as a minority in a different time where such characteristics made it virtually impossible alongside the general "wanting to make it in Hollywood" theme, which does not seem to be "resolved" or put into a different light simply because he managed to get laid by a woman who from her description is less than modest and likely sleeps around like a bear anyhow.

I guess to be blunt, "there's a whole lot going on, but very little being said".

Just my preliminary take. It's late after all.
Amity January 09, 2024 at 09:03 #870728
A quick reply cos I gotta go.
Quoting Outlander
I don't know what is but I had to force myself to keep reading it.


Yes, I had to force myself through the wall of text but it was worth it.

Quoting Outlander
Seems a bit heavy on the detail, which is actually great for a true screenplay, as in text to movie, but becomes a tad burdensome when reading as a novel.


I agree. I wondered at the extent of research and perhaps a use of ChatGPT.



Vera Mont January 09, 2024 at 13:49 #870755
I had no trouble reading the story, even though the abrupt changes of scene and mood made it difficult. My take on the narrator is that he imagines himself in a movie - his whole life is subsumed by the cinema - and he keeps trying on different roles, depending on how he perceives the audience and what he wants from them. It's perhaps more psychologically complex than the other stories.
L'éléphant January 10, 2024 at 04:13 #871017
It reads like a teenage paperback.

It is lighthearted, but that's where it remains. I couldn't write something like this because it is not my type of story or my type of writing style. The flow is not the problem. It's done well. There's nothing wrong with the piece itself.

But I hope that the author would reach inside himself to get to know his deepest desires, fears, and secrets. Then write again. But this time, leave a mark.

Score to date is 23.

I gave it a 3.
Noble Dust January 10, 2024 at 04:23 #871018
Quoting L'éléphant
It reads like a teenage paperback.


Quoting L'éléphant
But I hope that the author would reach inside himself to get to know his deepest desires, fears, and secrets. Then write again. But this time, leave a mark.


Huh? As others mentioned, this is a period piece. It's clearly a writer trying to get in touch with a time and place and embody a character that exists in that time and place. There's no need to plumb the depths of his/her psyche in order to write a convincing period piece. That's not to say the author was entirely successful or that it isn't without it's flaws, but I think you're misreading the story.
L'éléphant January 10, 2024 at 05:14 #871026
Quoting Noble Dust
but I think you're misreading the story.

No. You're misreading what I meant. He needs to write for a more mature audience. Abandon this bubble gum genre.
Noble Dust January 10, 2024 at 05:23 #871028
Reply to L'éléphant

I don't think trying to write a period piece is akin to writing in a "bubble gum genre". It's really hard to try to write in the style of a specific time period; it requires serious skill. It's a skill I don't have, personally. So when I see someone trying to do it, and they're not terrible at it, I tip my cap, which I do to this story.

So no, I don't think I've misread what you meant. I think you're misreading the story.
L'éléphant January 10, 2024 at 05:24 #871029
Reply to Noble Dust
I respect your disagreement with my comment.
Noble Dust January 10, 2024 at 05:25 #871031
Reply to L'éléphant

I don't know if I respect your respect for my disagreement with your comment because I don't know what that means.
hypericin January 10, 2024 at 07:42 #871047
Like some others I initially had a hard time reading it. It might be the formatting, but also the style and pacing were such that it just seemed to resist being read. The first time I gave up, while the second time I tried, I sailed through it. Go figure.

I liked it quite a bit. I appreciated the unique (to this group at least) subject matter and time period. The ambitious, spunky kid was likable. The writing was excellent overall, though some lines left me scratching my head.

I didn't really buy the period slang (wowzie?). I think it would have been better toned down, or eliminated.

The ending was quite abrupt. Did the author run out of time? Interest? Did they not know how to deal with the sex scene? (has there even been a legit sex scene in the competition's history?) If it was intentional, it was a miss, imho. h
hypericin January 10, 2024 at 07:48 #871048
Quoting Benkei
Jerry says: "Lemme have" but also "“I love your pink lipstick, especially the way it semaphores with your pink and gray frock, so smartly garnished with a glorious, two-toned waist bow.” If I'm going to accept Jerry talks like the second (which I don't), he doesn't say the first and vice versa.


He was hamming it up, trying to impress the girl. He sounded awkward and wooden, like an ad, and used "semaphore" wrong. She was impressed anyway.

Quoting L'éléphant
It reads like a teenage paperback.


I think not.

Amity January 10, 2024 at 07:51 #871049
To clarify an earlier rushed response:

Quoting Amity
Yes, I had to force myself through the wall of text but it was worth it.


When faced with a long piece of writing without spaces, my first reaction is to turn away. It's partly laziness. I left it for a day and then returned. I read it, noting the breaks or breaths as I went. That worked.

Quoting Amity

Seems a bit heavy on the detail, which is actually great for a true screenplay, as in text to movie, but becomes a tad burdensome when reading as a novel.
— Outlander

I agree. I wondered at the extent of research and perhaps a use of ChatGPT.


I enjoyed detailed descriptions such as:
Quoting Amity
With fine descriptions of clothes: trench coats, hats, and his beloved Greta's wardrobe gown. The various settings, we find ourselves in the McCarthy era. The repression of so-called Reds in late 40's America.


However, I think there were too many cultural references. Research showing. Name clutter.

Quoting Noble Dust
A wag at the studio Fire Dept. had told me Wallace Beery killed a man in this alley. Hmm. Now was the time as I approached the bouncer at the entrance. Curious thing was this bouncer bore resemblance to boxer Max Schmeling. Like Schmeling, his nose was kinda flat and his lips were kinda thick. Maybe that’s why he was letting me in. If Ty Cobb was right and The Babe had been passing in the American League, and Joe Louis got his ass whooped in the ring by one of his own kind, why shouldn’t I slip right into this bar?


To write so convincingly of this period, research or fact checking is required.
I have heard that ChatGPT can be used to answer any questions, given certain prompts. I've never tried it but apparently it can be useful. Up to a point.

https://www.howtogeek.com/883023/how-to-get-chatgpt-to-write-better-fiction/

It was not my intention to malign the author in any way.

Quoting Nils Loc
Was it easy to write or an arduous labor of love and determination? Would be interested to hear from the author a bit about the creative process behind this one.


Good question. I look forward to hearing more from the author.
Perhaps there wasn't too much research required after all...



javi2541997 January 10, 2024 at 09:50 #871055
Quoting Outlander
Seems a bit heavy on the detail, which is actually great for a true screenplay


Quoting Amity
I agree. I wondered at the extent of research and perhaps a use of ChatGPT.


I think the use of ChatGPT for short stories should not be considered bad if it was used with good faith by the writer.

When I finished my story, I didn't like the rhythm and it obviously had some grammar mistakes. I usually use 'grammar check online' for proofreading my own texts, but I asked ChatGPT this time. Just to proofread or spacing my story. I didn't like the result. The IA does whatever it wants, and it doesn't 'proofread' the grammar, but it uses different words and then changes the original sense of the story.

We can't know if the author used ChatGPT, but it is understandable to me if it was used as a tool in his/her writing.
Vera Mont January 10, 2024 at 13:35 #871080
Quoting Amity
When faced with a long piece of writing without spaces, my first reaction is to turn away.


You can copy it and make your own spaces. I have sometimes done that in a workshop: pasted one paragraph, commented on it, then pasted another... maybe not even all in one sitting.

This story has a couple of what I consider obvious flaws; it could use some improvement, but I think it's very much worthy of consideration.
Baden January 11, 2024 at 09:10 #871329
The writing is very good here throughout. Definitely in the top two or three I've read. I aso think the tone, rhythm, and pace are top class. As for the voice, it's also very consistent for me and I don't think it can be judged just by what the narrator says because it seems to me he, like most of us, adjusts his register according to who he's talking with and depending on the purpose. So, e.g. he uses big words to impress the movie star who should be out of his reach. Makes sense. I always got the impression of one consistent bubbly personality throughout.

As for the narrative, it's cool and evocative and the period setting works for me but I thought it lacked some purpose towards the end. From about halfway through, it seemed clear he would get the girl and then he did without much bother. The suave costume designer could have been a useful foil but pretty much immediately melted away. Not sure if the author was rushed (the poor formatting suggests maybe) but considering they seemed to have no problem keeping the quality of writing up, I would have liked to see more in terms of story to round things out.

Overall, impressive though.
Christoffer January 15, 2024 at 16:09 #872495
I think the wall of text is hard to plow through, but it looks more like the formatting got lost in sending in the text, because the text and writing craft is really good here. It reads like a proper story, rewrites and all and it's on point with the 50's style with all the red scare, Greta Garbo, noir-esque atmosphere.

Only thing was the formatting and that there were too little of "he said" "she said" that would have helped the flow of the text inform who's saying who. It's not always important, but sometimes I was confused who opened their mouth. But that's just minor, this was a good one! 4 from me.
Noble Dust January 18, 2024 at 00:38 #873194
I didn't manage to re-read this one, sorry @ucarr. Your ability to write in different voices is very impressive. I do agree there were a lot of names that probably clogged it up, and I'm not sure how the Red meeting had much to do with the climax and ending, but I probably would see it with a re-read. I thought it was a really refreshing change of pace from the other entries. :up:
ucarr January 18, 2024 at 00:49 #873200
Reply to Noble Dust

Thanks for your time and attention. Your comments are very helpful.
ucarr January 18, 2024 at 14:52 #873317
Quoting Amity
When faced with a long piece of writing without spaces, my first reaction is to turn away. It's partly laziness. I left it for a day and then returned. I read it, noting the breaks or breaths as I went. That worked.


This goes to the heart of your distinction as a fiction reviewer. You do the hard, sometimes unpleasant work. As a reader, like many of us, you’re a miner searching for gold. You forge ahead and do the work, even when prospects for gold are dim. This bespeaks enjoyment of the journey for its own sake. That means curiosity is your guardian angel.

I write for the attention of others. I hope to continue being worthy of your attention.
ucarr January 18, 2024 at 15:06 #873321
Quoting Vera Mont
This story has a couple of what I consider obvious flaws; it could use some improvement, but I think it's very much worthy of consideration.


You, like Amity, are an apostle of the sweaty brow. The fiction from both of you holds place as proof of the importance of your work ethics.

In the wake of reading Dawn, I’m delighted to have some of your esteem for my story.

My imperfections as a writer, being endless, sometimes give me pause before going forward. My self-importance and lust for glory, however, always win out.

Now having some of your attention, there’s a curious, ironical reversal of my lust for glory. My narratives, forever flawed, as you continue to discover, give me comfort.

The only thing that exceeds in volume my lust for glory is my fear of the expectations of others.
ucarr January 18, 2024 at 15:14 #873324
Quoting Christoffer
I think the wall of text is hard to plow through, but it looks more like the formatting got lost in sending in the text,


As soon as I learn how, I’ll commence to use Dustbin for my future postings of fiction.

Quoting Christoffer
…the text and writing craft is really good here. It reads like a proper story, rewrites and all…


I like your counter-pointing of my flaws and assets; these interactions are dramatic, and drama is the magnet pulling me into writing. This, and your newly minted addition to my list of readers, delight me.

Christoffer January 18, 2024 at 15:23 #873328
Quoting ucarr
As soon as I learn how, I’ll commence to use Dustbin for my future postings of fiction.


I uploaded the text and did the spacing and formatting in Pastebin, then sent a link to it over to Noble Dust. The only thing I couldn't get to work were some italic formatting and stuff.
hypericin January 18, 2024 at 18:11 #873392
This one was impressive, what prompted you to write this story in this style @ucarr?

Quoting ucarr
my lust for glory

:rofl:
Purported 'glory' is absolutely chimerical. But a useful chimera!
ucarr January 18, 2024 at 20:23 #873475
Reply to hypericin

I read a wonderful book, The Making of Casablanca, by Aljean Harmetz. Afterwards, I found a way to insert an imaginary version of myself into the inspirational life and times of arguably the greatest studio picture of all time.
hypericin January 19, 2024 at 03:36 #873625
Reply to ucarr
Love it. The style and snappiness of the prose and dialogue reminded me of movies of the era. I confess I've never seen Casablanca.

Talk a little bit about the ending. Was it a time or energy issue, or was the abruptness intentional?
ucarr January 19, 2024 at 04:16 #873633
Reply to hypericin

Don’t spread this around but my submission is a fragment of a longer work. The “closing” of the fragment was not intended to be an ending. What follows had to be lopped off in order to meet the 3k word max.
hypericin January 19, 2024 at 04:24 #873635
Reply to ucarr Nice. How long are you going for?
ucarr January 19, 2024 at 04:50 #873636
Reply to hypericin

Good-sized short story or perhaps, if I really get rolling, a novella.
Amity January 19, 2024 at 09:07 #873667
Quoting ucarr
That means curiosity is your guardian angel.


Or a devil in disguise.

Quoting ucarr
I write for the attention of others.


Understood. But don't you simply feel the need to express yourself, first and foremost?

Quoting ucarr
You, like Amity, are an apostle of the sweaty brow.


No sweat! Change the image please to that of a Smiling Angel Winging It :wink:

Re the lack of spacing between paragraphs, I don't know why that was difficult. If your original had the spacings, then I think most would have copied and pasted into a PM, no problem? @Noble Dust. One clear paragraph break in the story did come through.

Quoting ucarr
I read a wonderful book, The Making of Casablanca, by Aljean Harmetz. Afterwards, I found a way to insert an imaginary version of myself into the inspirational life and times of arguably the greatest studio picture of all time.


Interesting to hear what inspired you. Was it only 'you' that you had in mind (autobiographical) or did you also have someone else in mind (biographical). I only ask because some references, like music, reminded me of @180 Proof.

Also re dialogue and dialect, I remembered the comments you made in his wonderful story 'Sugar'.
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/13182/sugar-by-180-proof/p1


Were you trying to (im)prove your skill in this and what did you think of:

Quoting hypericin
I didn't really buy the period slang (wowzie?). I think it would have been better toned down, or eliminated.


Just curious.











ucarr January 19, 2024 at 14:49 #873738
Reply to Amity

Quoting ucarr
That means curiosity is your guardian angel.


Quoting Amity
Or a devil in disguise.


Poor, maligned curiosity, the engine of adventure.

Quoting ucarr
I write for the attention of others.


Quoting Amity
Understood. But don't you simply feel the need to express yourself, first and foremost?


Indeed, I do have strong impulses to express my self, especially when gorgeous phrases start parading around in my head. But the feeling that says, “Hey! Look at me. See what I’ve got.” follows close enough to nick the heels of my expression.

The great thing about writing is the cheap cost of pen and paper whereas, for example, an architect, Oh, boy! s/he’s got to tease millions from the coffers of financiers. Filmmakers likewise.

In parallel, having conversation for one’s favorite pastime is wonderfully frugal. Talk is cheap, and thank good luck!

Quoting Amity
Re the lack of spacing between paragraphs, I don't know why that was difficult.


I blew it with the upload. Next time I’ll be sure to use Pastebin.

Quoting Amity
Was it only 'you' that you had in mind (autobiographical) or did you also have someone else in mind (biographical).


Oh, boy. This story is full of ghosts haunting my memories.

Quoting Amity
Also re dialogue and dialect, I remembered the comments you made in his wonderful story 'Sugar'.


Your above reference shows the uncanny insight of a gifted creative. I suppose writers are naturally empowered as psychologists. You see, my current story is specifically concerned with authenticity. It’s a burning question within communities of the oppressed. I’ve never had the hardscrabble pragmatism of the street smart. I was pampered and barricaded by apprehensive parents.

The Jerry in my story is a naïf sorely lacking worldly wisdom and informed judgment. Without knowing it, except dimly, he’s balancing on a high wire stretched across a Grand Canyon of jeopardy.

Quoting Amity
Were you trying to (im)prove your skill in this and what did you think of:


Quoting hypericin
I didn't really buy the period slang (wowzie?). I think it would have been better toned down, or eliminated.


Hypericin says he loves my story and I’m delighted.











Vera Mont January 22, 2024 at 13:56 #874488
Quoting ucarr
My imperfections as a writer, being endless, sometimes give me pause before going forward.


Everyone's imperfections are endless. You correct one flaw, you immediately notice another. Go back, see where it might have flown more freely, where a couple of words could have been cut, where an idea was unclear. (That's my own perennial challenge: realizing that readers can only read what I've actually put on the page, not what I was thinking and assuming.)
This particular story, with an edit mindful of the reader's POV, could be a real gem as it stands. It has wonderful psychological and sociological... bones, if you like; infrastructure. The flaws are superficial. If you carry the cosmetic improvements on into a larger work, the whole thing will be very good indeed.
ucarr January 22, 2024 at 13:59 #874489
I’ll do what you suggest. Thank-you.
:grin: