The Blue Walls by Beverley

Noble Dust January 01, 2024 at 02:24 375 views 22 comments
Sometimes, I can be dreaming, and I know I am in a certain place, but it looks nothing like the place I know it is. When this began happening with more frequency, however, I became suspicious. Then the whole bottom of my world fell out, and I have no idea why. It just happened out of the blue.

Although I don’t know why it all started, I can pinpoint when it all started. Since then though, time has become a funny thing for me. I know that sounds odd, but how many times have you found that you’ve arrived somewhere without remembering the journey? In the everyday routines of life, often time is lost, and this gives us a sense of time being condensed. If you can understand this, then you will be able to grasp a little of what I mean when I say that time started to act strangely. This feeling—that I have had before and not really thought about much—became more noticeable than usual, like heightened. But let’s begin with the event that started it all. As far as I can tell—with my skewed view of time— it happened around a week ago.

I was visiting my parents and had just pulled into the driveway in the early evening. They live in a huge period house built in the early 1900s by a wealthy architect who lived in it for the remainder of his life. The house is so big that, after his death, the beneficiaries had considered selling it to a nursing home conglomerate, who had no problems coming up with the funds to buy it. That was until my father inquired about a purchase and managed to persuade them to reduce the price to keep the property privately owned. The beneficiaries must have had some sort of emotional ties to the house, and so they agreed, and my parents and I moved in.

That was twenty years ago now.

Whenever I go back to visit my parents— on the last Friday of every month— I usually stay for the night, sleeping in my old bedroom, as if still a child. Each time, I can almost pretend that I am, as nothing in the room has changed. The pink flowered wallpaper still overwhelms the room with its rosy hues, flouncing before my eyes the moment they open in the morning. I dreamed about changing it as a teenager. I longed for something more modern, with clean lines and much less fuss—a cooler shade of the palest blue—but the pink flowers still remained.

As I headed across the gravel driveway to the front entrance of the house, the light was fading from the summer sky, bringing a freshness with it. While walking, I glanced upwards, over the grey brickwork, to my bedroom window under the traditional black and white eaves. There, I noticed the welcoming, warm glow calling me inside. The pink flowers flashed inside my head then, and, like a Polaroid photograph, the image remained, burning into the walls of my mind.

I hesitated for a moment from the impact of it, with my foot resting on the small step leading into the porch-way and to the heavy wooden front doors. Instinctively, I gasped, sucking in the night air, which seemed to restore my composure as I climbed the step and entered the porch-way. I could smell the familiar scent of history from the wood and stone and brickwork of the house.

I was home.

Reaching down to my shoulder bag, I opened it and fumbled inside, searching for the set of house keys that I had been given when I was sixteen. So focused was I, that I didn’t notice everything change until it had. How could I not have noticed?

Glancing upwards, the heavy wooden front doors had been replaced with the picture of a girl in green dress and pink nightcap; I was standing at the threshold of my bedroom, peering in at the back wall. How had I been transported up there? Instinctively, I entered the room, and then it all started. As I gazed around, the terror took hold, rising inside of me without my volition or understanding of it.

The walls were a cooler shade of the palest blue.

Come to think of it, when I just said that I had dreamed about changing the colour of my bedroom walls, that might have actually been a dream. I mean to say that, I had indeed wished it, but… I don’t know. Somewhere in my mind, I am calling up the feeling of literally dreaming about it.

Anyway, so there I was, wandering around my bedroom as if I was lost or something. How could I be lost in my own bedroom? Well, I couldn’t. But this is what I mean about dreaming and knowing where I am, but things looking different. I knew where I was, but I was lost at the same time. Can you imagine that conflicting feeling? It’s like being torn in two. It tells you in your bones that something is terribly wrong.

When I woke up—what seemed like moments afterwards—I was surprised to see plain, white walls; I was back in my apartment in London. Strangely, my first thought was that I hadn’t even had a chance to say hello to my parents. What would they think? Of course, that made no sense because I had only been there in my dream. However, as I peeled back the duvet cover and rose out of my bed to get ready for work, I couldn’t shake the feeling that I should have said hello to them.

The underground station that morning was as crowded and hectic as usual. This only flustered me more as I impatiently pushed my way past people to get to the far end of the platform, where I knew there would be more space and likelihood of my getting a seat when the train arrived. As I waited, I glanced back down the platform, and it was then that I had another terrifying moment.

Through the crowds, I caught sight of myself.

I stood there, watching as the other me headed towards me, catching glimpses of my navy-blue work suit as it weaved through the people on the crowded platform, getting ever disconcertingly closer.

When my impostor finally appeared in front of me, it was sudden and startled me, like when you anticipate something, but you don’t know exactly when it’s going to happen. The couple who were standing next to me parted suddenly, and the other me pushed her way through.

For a moment, we just stood there staring at each other. Then the other me spoke up.

“Something odd keeps happening; I see things, and I know what I’m doing, but it doesn’t look as it should,” she said with confusion, sounding exactly like me.

“Like my bedroom walls,” I answered instinctively. “Are you me?”

She frowned. “No, what the hell do you mean?” Well, that was a bit abrupt, not at all like me! “Look, anyway,” she went on impatiently, “for some ridiculous reason, I saw you, and I felt like you may have some answers. I’m going to work, and I know I’m going to work, but I’m in London, and I don’t work in London. Everything has changed. What the hell is going on?” she asked, exasperated.

I was so confused, but at that point, I only wanted to know one thing.

“Why do you look like me?” I asked.

“I don’t look like you,” she countered, her frown deepening.

I matched her frown with one of my own.

“What? Yes, you do,” I disagreed, “you look exactly like me.”

She shook her head, adamant.

“No, I’m looking at you now,” she said, glaring at me, “but you don’t look like me,” she insisted.

Then she was gone again, jostled away from me, and lost in the hordes of passengers. As she disappeared backwards, I reached for her, desperate to find out more, but it was too late; she had been swallowed by the crowd. I was left then, sifting through what she had told me and trying to puzzle everything out.

I had to find her again, and when I felt the air whoosh past me as the approaching underground train sucked it in, I thought, no matter, I would find her on the train. But as the doors of the carriage opened, and I stepped forward, when my foot touched the small step into the train, everything changed.

First my vision blurred, and then, when it cleared again, I was astonished to find myself back at my parents’ house with my foot resting on the small step leading into the porch-way and to the heavy wooden front doors.

Not again!

Okay, I had to get in, so I reached into my bag for my keys, acutely aware that I was doing everything the same as before. But maybe things would go differently this time, and I could say hello to my parents.

That wasn’t to happen though, and, before I knew it, I was back in my bedroom with the blue walls. This time, however, I was surprised to see that the woman who looked like me was sitting on the bed. I rushed towards her, and she turned.

“It’s you!” she exclaimed, rising from her seat as I came to a halt in front of her. “I remember now. I thought I recognized you, but now that you are here, now I remember,” she said, pointing at me, almost accusingly.

“Do you know me?” I asked.

“Yes,” she confirmed, “I saw you once, but when you were younger: a teenager. Your father bought this house from us, my brother and I, after my father died. Damn it, I don’t have time for all of this.”

“Oh,” I said simply. That hadn’t been exactly what I’d expected. “Listen,” I continued, taking a seat on the bed where she had previously been sitting. She sat with me, sinking onto the bed with a sigh. “I know you said that I didn’t look like you, but, to me, you look exactly the same as me. You do believe me, don’t you?”

She shrugged. “Okay, I guess I have no choice but to accept that something really strange is happening, and somehow, we’re both connected,” she acknowledged.

“Yes,” I said enthusiastically, feeling a sense of relief that she was being open-minded. “Maybe we can help each other. The thing is, I think I’m stuck in a dream. I wake up, but then I realize that I’m not really awake; I’m still dreaming. Then I wake up again, but guess what,” I said, throwing my arms in the air in frustration, “I’m still dreaming! Maybe I’ll never wake up.”

“The same seems to be happening to me, unfortunately. How inconvenient,” she tutted. “I don’t have time for this, I have a business to run, things to do. I don’t want to have to deal with all this now. But…” she sighed, “I guess, the only way we are going to wake up is to figure everything out and get on with our lives. Okay so, from my point of view, one minute I was in the London Underground speaking to you—although I had no idea why I was there— and the next,” she glanced around the room, “here I am.”

“Well, I work in London, so maybe you were there because of me,” I suggested.

She watched me for a moment then, her blue eyes—the same as mine—moving thoughtfully over my face. Then she replied.

“This is a crazy idea but,” she rolled her eyes as if annoyed at having to go along with her own thought, “I think that I’m in your dream.”

“Yes, I can confirm that; you are in my dream,” I answered, feeling a little disappointed that she hadn’t come up with something more than what I already knew.

“No, you don’t understand, I’m actually in your dream, in reality. Okay, damn it, I know that doesn’t make sense because a dream isn’t real but… Okay, so you are in your bed sleeping, right?” she said, turning to me on the bed with about the most enthusiasm I’d seen in her so far.

“Right,” I agreed.

“So, all of this,” she said, gesturing around herself, “is in your head.”

It hit me then.

“Oh God!” I exclaimed with realization. “So, you must be inside my head. I mean, assuming that you are actually real and not just part of my imaginary dream.”

“I am real, trust me on that,” she said dismissively. “So, if I’m in your head, then you must also be in mine for us to be able to talk. I’ve got it,” she said, clicking her fingers. “That is why you say I look like you, because both of our minds are sharing this dream. Yes, it all makes sense now. I am looking at you, and you are seeing the dream through my eyes, so I look like you… to you anyway.”

“Wait, but I thought you were seeing it through my eyes. Isn’t that why you found yourself in London?” I questioned.

“Well, yes, but who knows how this thing works. Maybe we can hop into each other’s minds and dreams willy-nilly. Anyway, who cares, the most important thing is, how do we stop it and wake the hell up?” she stressed.

“I’d quite like to know more about why this is all happening, but anyway,” I said under my breath.

“Okay,” she said, her eyes dropping from me as she seemed to back down a little, “I have been going through a few issues lately,” she admitted. “And when that happens, I do tend to think back to the good old days and this house, when dad was still alive. Maybe this house is what links us.”

“That makes sense,” I replied, glancing around the room wistfully, but frowning suddenly. “By the way, maybe you can tell me why the walls are blue.”

“What walls?” she asked.

“These ones,” I laughed.

“These walls aren’t blue,” she frowned, “these walls are pink with flowers. I should know, this was my bedroom.”

I couldn’t deal with that. I had been finally getting some answers as well. I would just forget it for the moment.

“Okay, so how do we wake up then?” I asked, changing the subject.

She considered that for a moment before answering confidently, “Well, the way dreams work is that finally we wake up, right? I mean, dreams only last one night at the most; they don’t go on forever.”

“Why do I feel like this one is then?” I complained. “It’s occurred to me that, for all I know, I may have been in this dream for my whole life. This dream might be my life.”

“But I’m here too,” she reminded me.

“It might be your life too,” I answered.

“No, don’t get wrapped up in ‘what ifs’. Let’s stay practical and clearheaded; it’s the only way we will get out of this,” she insisted. I nodded. In truth, I had told myself something similar, and besides, I had also seriously begun to doubt my perception of time. “I think the only way we are going to wake up,” she went on, “is to go along with the dream. See it to its end. I guess that I have to face my demons, and you have to face yours,” she concluded.

***

I’ve woken up now, thank goodness, and I think I’ve figured it all out… sort of. Anyway, after she’d said that we needed to face our demons, there ensued an argument, during which I insisted that I had no demons and that my life was perfect: I loved my job, I had my own apartment and friends, and I had my parents who owned that lovely house. Well, that was when I realized that I’d been kidding myself, and I think it was that realization that prompted me to wake up.

I awoke in my Wimbledon apartment this morning to a crushing, sinking feeling. After waking, I realized there was a reason why I hadn’t said hello to my parents: they were no longer living in that house. My father had passed away a few months ago, and my mother had moved into a retirement village.

I went to visit my mother today. I just wanted to spend time with her, enjoy the security of her being there. I didn’t tell her about my dream.

This evening, I drove back to Wimbledon, watched a bit of television, and then reluctantly went to bed. I wondered, as I lay stiffly and nervously under my duvet, if I would dream tonight. Strangely, after I eventually did fall asleep, I seemed to dream nothing, just blackness.

Thinking about it, I should have known there was something odd about that. I mean, if you don’t dream, you don’t see anything, not even blackness. Then suddenly I was awake, but not in my bed; I was standing on the London Underground platform. Having some idea where this might go, I turned and scanned the crowd, not entirely surprised to see myself rushing towards me.

When the woman who looked exactly like me reached me, she grabbed my arms this time and stared directly into my eyes. Her eyes, although the same as mine, looked wild and somehow different than last time.

“You’ve got to help me,” she said, urgently, “I think you are the only one who can. Everything is so strange,” she said, dropping my arms and running a shaking hand through her hair. “I think I’m in London, but I don’t know how I got here, and my house has all changed. The walls…” she trailed off as if too afraid to carry on.

“What about the walls?” I prompted.

“They’ve changed from blue to pink… with flowers!”

Comments (22)

Hanover January 02, 2024 at 02:19 #867687
I didn't fully understand it. What did resonate with me was this part:
Quoting Noble Dust
After waking, I realized there was a reason why I hadn’t said hello to my parents: they were no longer living in that house. My father had passed away a few months ago, and my mother had moved into a retirement village.


This part seemed real, almost non-fiction, describing the emotional overload when visiting a childhood home now filled with only memories.

I feel n like the author felt lost somehow, blipping from today to her childhood, maybe trying to figure something out, maybe just trying to accept today's reality.

I'd be interested in other people's thoughts.



Amity January 02, 2024 at 12:15 #867789
The Blue Walls

A confusion of repetitive dream sequences and their meaning. The symbolism of old houses, the walls within and without. How we are drawn to the past in our dreams, perhaps to find a solution to a current problem. Returning home to a place that has changed just as we have.

Meeting ourselves as another. The girl in the boy or the boy in the girl. The dream of changing from rosy, cosy pink to a cool, clear blue. Or vice versa. And then back again. Why am I assuming that the narrator is male? What made me think so? The bias of colour preference?

Quoting Noble Dust
“No, don’t get wrapped up in ‘what ifs’. Let’s stay practical and clearheaded; it’s the only way we will get out of this,” she insisted. I nodded. In truth, I had told myself something similar, and besides, I had also seriously begun to doubt my perception of time. “I think the only way we are going to wake up,” she went on, “is to go along with the dream. See it to its end. I guess that I have to face my demons, and you have to face yours,” she concluded.


Some knowledge here about how dreams operate on the psyche. What must be done to identify the problem, or demon, and move on.

Quoting Noble Dust
I’ve woken up now, thank goodness, and I think I’ve figured it all out… sort of. Anyway, after she’d said that we needed to face our demons, there ensued an argument, during which I insisted that I had no demons and that my life was perfect: I loved my job, I had my own apartment and friends, and I had my parents who owned that lovely house. Well, that was when I realized that I’d been kidding myself, and I think it was that realization that prompted me to wake up


The realisation came in the dream, in the dream. But a conscious awareness hitting home.
That of loss or grief. Feeling unsafe, unsettled at life changes. No home to go to. Only a mother left.
Simply being there enough. Or is this too a dream. Wish fulfilment.

Quoting Noble Dust
I went to visit my mother today. I just wanted to spend time with her, enjoy the security of her being there. I didn’t tell her about my dream.


But even with the realisation, the dream persists. Not ready to go yet.
The cool other was back but wilder. Asking for help. Why?
Because her walls had changed from pink to blue. The blue walls won?
No. Worse than that. From blue to pink. With flowers.

Just when you think you have it all figured out! Is this a gender identity issue? Walled in. Blues.

***
I enjoyed the twists and turns of the dream story dialogue. Thank you and Congratulations. 5.






Vera Mont January 02, 2024 at 18:49 #867954
I didn't have any sense of a gender issue. Pink walls with big flowers would have driven me mad at any time of life; pale blue is far preferable.

There is an identity issue, but I don't understand it.
I also have a little trouble understanding that house. If it's big enough for a nursing home, why were only three people living in it? And why could she not change the colour of her walls? Someone did, when in reality or dream, I can't tell.

I rate it high for structure, clarity of style and the depiction of dreams, but as to story content, I'm bewildered.
Benkei January 03, 2024 at 13:21 #868253
I never share the apparent clarity the protagonist feels as I'm not quite sure what happened. It's something I struggle with with writing myself: how on the nose do you have to be for readers to follow what you're trying to convey? In my experience I need to be much clearer then I would think is necessary and especially when it comes to symbolism I've never seen someone pick up on my hints. It's hard apparently.

Some examples where writers got it right and I had regular "holy cow" moments were the series Death Note, the movie the Usual Suspects and the Gentleman Bastards fantasy series.
ucarr January 03, 2024 at 17:22 #868378
This story gets off to a loud-banging, bell-ringing good start. The climax of the good, opening start is on the London station platform, when the protagonist’s doppelgänger runs toward her. We’re now in deep country; the situation is a perplexing case of non-ordinary reality.

Two women apparently share a common dream space; it’s a mind meld.

Firstly, their acclimation to the weirdness happens too fast to be entirely believable.

Secondly, the ensuing info-dump, with the two women cogitating aloud details of the logic of the dream interweave flattens the dynamics of the story down to a think piece in the vein of Agatha Christie.

This story, needing ample room to breathe, presents at a disadvantage because that calls for length exceeding the 3K word limit.

I’m wondering where lies the heart of the author. The dream interweave structure, ingeniously elaborated and skillfully managed, loses much of its power after the info-dump. The emotional journeys of the women, likewise threaten to blasé their way down to the mundane.

Maybe a clever twist into a new, unexpected phase can bring the story back to its excitement.



javi2541997 January 03, 2024 at 17:52 #868391
Am I the only one who perceives melancholia and nostalgia in this beautiful story? I like how the author describes the house of the protagonist's parents. The pink flowered wallpapers still remain with the passage of the years, and this gave me an emotional feeling, when you come back to a certain place, and you notice some things stay the same.

As others mates also stated, the main protagonist experiences a mix of surrealism with dreams, and she no longer knows if she is in his room always or not. Then an interesting dialogue between herself and her shadow (or something similar) pops up. I also liked this part, when the author shows the mind of the protagonist as she is talking to a mirror (her shadow) instead of being observed by the narrator. Well done, very original.

On the other hand, it reminded me of Murakami reminds the last paragraphs, when she is experiencing dreams over and over again, and she suddenly ends up found on the London Underground by the same woman, feeling like she is a shadow now.

Kudos to the author, it is a good story.
Outlander January 06, 2024 at 21:50 #869748
From the get-go after I had concluded reading, I was in a state of confusion. Much like the two main characters are/were at a point. Perhaps this was the author's intent?

I can definitely see some esoteric connections and metaphors here, fleeting as they may be, at least in my own mind.

Perhaps, as a nod to the patriarchy we all live in, I assumed the first narrator was male, though due to the "looking exactly like me" might conclude both were female, not that that matters really.

Basically the first narrator sees the room the second character have both shared as how they remember and struggle with it changing, while in the inverse, the second character eventually succumbs to the same fate, or at least state of questioning.

So, the similarities being nostalgia of the past and refusal or at least difficulty in accepting change at least in the sense that what was in no longer quite what was, yet can never be anything but. Elements of denial, confusion, and alienation seem to be at play here, though I cannot be certain.

I would definitely be curious as to what the author's intentions here were as they seem to be, to put it perhaps humorously, as ambiguous and unknown as the color of the walls in question.

There seems to be a bit of a "the student has become the master" or perhaps more specific "the sheep has become the shepherd" theme but that may be my own projection.
L'éléphant January 07, 2024 at 23:32 #870136
STD: 21
unenlightened January 09, 2024 at 13:59 #870757
There's something unsatisfying about this story. I think it comes from a confusion of weirdnesses. We have the weirdness of dreams within dreams, then the weirdness of meeting one's doppelgänger, then the slightly creepy house, or is it after all two houses?, and the jumps from porch to bedroom, and of course the changing wall decor.

Each is interesting, and doesn't necessarily have to be resolved, but in combination, somehow the reader - this reader at any rate - just stops caring what's going on. It descends into a mere jumble of ideas, as if it is about five different stories of each which one gets a tantalising paragraph or so before the next theme interrupts.

I think, in playing games with reality, there is a need to keep a consistency as well for the reader to identify with. Every Groundhog Day needs its groundhog, to ground it.
Vera Mont January 09, 2024 at 21:18 #870887
Reply to unenlightened Yes, just this!
Nils Loc January 11, 2024 at 18:25 #871449
Being trapped this kind of non-sequitur dream sequence would be scary for me. Maybe it is easy for the narrator to relay what happened because she is just recollecting it from her stable waking life. Everything must have worked out and she is unaffected by the disorientation of her hallucinations/dreams, which she is now reporting. If there was more at stake for her, I could be concerned or empathetic, but her casual telling leaves something more to be desired.

Her non-sequitur illusions, meeting a doppelgänger along with the absence of anyone else, conveys a solipsistic uneasiness. Maybe the narrator could be more disturbed/changed by what has transpired.

I hope she is safe now, embracing friends and lovers in a comfy place, enjoying life and not at all lonely, disturbed or lost.

:party: :flower:






L'éléphant January 12, 2024 at 02:53 #871640
It couldn't hold my attention after the first two paragraphs. After awhile, I couldn't care less about the narrator or anybody else in the story.
One of the issues I have is the voice of the narrator -- was the author writing an essay or a short story?
There are ways to convey something without using a lot of words and explaining everything.

I gave it a 3.

Score to date: 31
Noble Dust January 14, 2024 at 23:05 #872374
Quoting Noble Dust
Through the crowds, I caught sight of myself.


I'm a sucker for a doppelgänger moment, so I enjoyed this development. Overall, I agree it's a bit confusing, although I'm also a sucker for surrealism. I think it's just not clear what exactly is going on, and it doesn't feel resolved to me. It's definitely an interesting submission, though. I enjoyed reading it.
Amity January 15, 2024 at 10:31 #872431
Paying another visit:
Quoting Amity
Why am I assuming that the narrator is male?


Quoting Amity
Is this a gender identity issue?


I believe that the narrator is a male and there is a gender issue. From this:

Quoting Noble Dust
I was so confused, but at that point, I only wanted to know one thing.

“Why do you look like me?” I asked.

“I don’t look like you,” she countered, her frown deepening.

I matched her frown with one of my own.

“What? Yes, you do,” I disagreed, “you look exactly like me.”

She shook her head, adamant.

“No, I’m looking at you now,” she said, glaring at me, “but you don’t look like me,” she insisted.


Quoting Noble Dust
sounding exactly like me.


She looks and sounds exactly like the narrator. What would make her reject the similarities?
The difference in gender.
Sorted :wink:
Christoffer January 15, 2024 at 12:22 #872448
Quoting Amity
I believe that the narrator is a male and there is a gender issue.


I got that notion as well, it almost reads like an analogy for the psychological confusion and anxiety someone who transitions goes through, especially right before realizing they're transexual. Trying to make sense of their identity.

However, it didn't really work for me. The concept is fine and it evokes some imagery, but the writing feels very sloppy, like it's just a first draft without any rewrites, just plowing through whatever comes to mind in the writing moment. The amount of "anyway"s and rambling dialogue makes the story not really progress naturally and instead there's lines and paragraphs over and over saying almost the same thing or just dismissing what was just said in order to focus on something else without any sense of natural transition into what's next. That makes the reading experience suffer and the progression unfocused.

It would really need a rewrite, make the text less going in circles, build a progression that has a nicer flow. Have a clearer goal for the characters to navigate rather than only be shoved around by the dream logic. It felt like it needed some more internal emotional journey throughout that now got lost in rambling lines of text. As it is right now it's very unfocused as a story, not in the way of dream logic and shifting realities, that's not the problem, but instead the way it's handled and how the characters treats their situation and how it feels mostly like rambling. While I'm no story structure fanatic, there has to be some structure that the characters follow, otherwise it's just unfocused. Sorry, but it doesn't really reach a 3 for me, so I have to go for a 2.
Jack Cummins January 15, 2024 at 19:45 #872563
Reply to Noble Dust
An intriguing story. It unfolds as a dream. I am left wondering to what extent it is about gender? There is the traditional theme of blue and pink colours. However, I am left unsure what is being conveyed and it may be that blue, pink, and ideas of gender, need to be spelled out more clearly. As it is, such ideas are hinted at, potentially leading the reader into a quagmire of such uncertainties.
hypericin January 16, 2024 at 01:01 #872619
Quoting Benkei
In my experience I need to be much clearer then I would think is necessary and especially when it comes to symbolism I've never seen someone pick up on my hints. It's hard apparently.


This is true, one of the trickiest parts of writing IMO.

Quoting Hanover
I didn't fully understand it. What did resonate with me was this part:
After waking, I realized there was a reason why I hadn’t said hello to my parents: they were no longer living in that house. My father had passed away a few months ago, and my mother had moved into a retirement village.


I agree, I had the same reaction.

Quoting Amity
She looks and sounds exactly like the narrator. What would make her reject the similarities?
The difference in gender.
Sorted :wink:

:chin:

Noble Dust January 18, 2024 at 00:31 #873190
Good job @Beverley! I don't have much to add from what I said above. I hope you'll join us for the next one. :flower:
Amity January 19, 2024 at 10:16 #873682
Congratulations @Beverley. I hope you will say more about the story. Thanks :flower:
Beverley January 19, 2024 at 11:02 #873686
Quoting Amity
I hope you will say more about the story.


Thanks, Amity.


Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with gender (although, for a minute, you had me wondering lol) The background of the story is roughly based on me. The house was indeed the house I grew up in, it was previously owned by an architect, my bedroom did have pink flowered walls (which I wasn’t too keen on) I chose the idea of blue walls, simply because blue is my favourite colour. I also used to live and work in London.

The dream aspect of the story came from a paper I wrote for the first philosophy course I did at university. (Since it was the first course I did, it may not have been a very good paper, although I did get a high grade for it, but it was an introduction to philosophy, so, not very advanced) The paper was a response to Descartes, where I attempted to discredit his ‘I think, therefore I am’ principle. In a certain part of the paper, I toyed with the idea that, if Descartes was thinking, but the thoughts were not his, as he assumed, then he could not say, “I think, therefore I am,” he would have to say, “You, or they, think, therefore, you, or they, are,” which wouldn’t work to dispel skepticism.

The idea I came up with came from dreams that I have had before where I am at my childhood home, which I obviously know really well, and I know for sure I am there, but the place doesn’t actually look like my home. I have asked several people before if they have had similar dreams about being in places they know, but the places look different, and quite a few people said they have experienced that kind of dream.

As I started to explore the idea that Descartes’s thoughts may not be his own, it connected with the idea of the dream. Here is part of my paper, which may demonstrate what I was trying to get across:
(In this section, I quote Nagel, who mentions a dream where someone is running from a ‘homicidal lawnmower.’ I’m sure I’ve had a similar kind of dream before, lol)

“A person is asleep in their bed, and yet they are also running from a ‘homicidal lawnmower’ through the streets of Kansas City. (Nagel) It is almost as if there are two people in this situation. Could there be? Could the person who is asleep not be the same person as the one running from the lawnmower? But the mind joins the two people, doesn’t it? One is real, and one is just a vision in the mind. But what if one mind didn’t connect the two bodies? What if there were two separate minds? And when we are sleeping, we cannot ascertain whether we are asleep or awake, what is real or not real. Therefore, Descartes would not know which mind he was, the real, asleep mind, or the dream one belonging to someone else, because he would think that he was the mind running from the homicidal lawnmower. Or even, if he knew he was sleeping, as sometimes happens, it would make no difference then either because he would have no sense of his real sleeping self, unaware of where it was, or what it was doing, such as tossing and turning in its bed from the nightmare. In fact, the tossing and turning mind may not even be the real mind, the real one could be the lawnmower escaping mind. How could he know?

What if a dream was kind of like a mind swapping device? And the thing about a dream that is even more uncertain is that in the time between being asleep and waking, or between being awake and falling asleep, since no one can be sure which is which, there is a gap. I imagine it being like a darkness, where all clarity is obscured because we cannot see or know for sure what happens in this gap. Maybe that is when the mind swapping happens. And your mind and the other minds keep swapping each time the person moves between the waking and sleeping word. Maybe that is why when I saw my house in my dream, and knew it was my house, it didn’t look like my house: because it wasn’t my house, it was the other person’s house.”

Is any of this making any sense?
Amity January 19, 2024 at 11:22 #873693
Quoting Beverley
Is any of this making any sense?


Yes, thank you. There's a lot here to take in. Others, here, will no doubt chime in. There seems to be so much of this kind of thinking going on. Dreams have taken over the asylum :wink:
Beverley January 19, 2024 at 11:35 #873694
Quoting Amity
There's a lot here to take in


The reason the other person looks like me is because I am seeing the dream through her mind/eyes, and she is looking at me. But she isn’t me, she is her, the daughter of the architect that built the house my family later bought.

I think this must be the most complicated story ever written! lol I think so far only one person has understood it, but luckily, that one person was my university professor! Maybe, she will be the only person in the universe to ever understand it lol

...oooh! Maybe it is because she is actually me and our minds swapped! :rofl: