Paradigm shifts in philosophy

SpinozaNietzsche January 25, 2024 at 08:16 6000 views 50 comments
Are there paradigm shifts or revolutions in philosophy in the Kuhnian sense where concepts fundamentally change and those prior and posterior to the shift are speaking in different languages? E.g. in science you have the paradigm shifts associated with Newton (e.g. a new, mathematical way of doing physics or science), Darwin (a new framework to do biology, to view life and the Universe more generally), Einstein, etc. What are such paradigm shifts in Philosophy?

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jkop January 25, 2024 at 13:23 #875442
Quoting SpinozaNietzsche
What are such paradigm shifts in Philosophy?


The linguistic turn might be an example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_turn
Philosophim January 25, 2024 at 14:55 #875453
One paradigm shift is likely The Gettier Problem. Knowledge was generally understood to be justified true belief. Then Gettier came in and scuttled all of that. I believe today knowledge is understood as a tool to grasp truth and reality, but does not necessarily grasp truth itself.
J January 25, 2024 at 21:58 #875554
Alisdair MacIntyre, Elizabeth Anscombe, and others would say that the words "moral", "virtue", "obligation", and similar ethical terms no longer describe what Plato and Aristotle meant, nor would they understand what we mean. The entire project of contemporary ethics would be as if "the notion 'criminal' were to remain when criminal law and criminal courts had been abolished and forgotten," in Anscombe's words. This idea of modern ethics as a degenerate, vestigial grasping at what the Greeks meant is even stronger in MacIntyre, and characterizes a lot of the resurgence of virtue ethics. An interesting question is whether it's possible to return to a previous paradigm.
Banno January 25, 2024 at 22:20 #875559
Quoting Philosophim
...The Gettier Problem...


Few folk have ever held justified true belief to be both sufficient and necessary conditions for knowledge. Not even Socrates thought it adequate, and he is the fellow who developed it - describing it as a "wind-egg". Gettier just presented examples that undergraduates could understand.

The hard part, for those who need such things, has been working out what an "essence" of knowledge might be.

Reply to jkop Perhaps; at least it would be if we were to consider philosophy as subject to Kuhnian development. The "linguistic turn" is a post-hoc compilation of various, divergent approaches to philosophy, arguably including much of the ethics Reply to J points to.

But philosophy is not a science, and not necessarily subject to the sorts of historical analysis common to the sciences. Would you happily call pointillism a paradigm? Or Shinto? Seems a stretch.
Philosophim January 25, 2024 at 22:25 #875564
Quoting Banno
Few folk have ever held justified true belief to be both sufficient and necessary conditions for knowledge. Not even Socrates thought it adequate, and he is the fellow who developed it - describing it as a "wind-egg". Gettier just presented examples that undergraduates could understand.


I appreciate the history lesson. I was taking a stab in the dark. I probably shouldn't have. :)

Banno January 25, 2024 at 22:29 #875566
Reply to Philosophim It's a common misapprehension. Many folk think Gettier "broke" a central idea in philosophy, but as so often, the situation was much more complicated. :wink:
Joshs January 25, 2024 at 23:25 #875580
Quoting Banno
But philosophy is not a science, and not necessarily subject to the sorts of historical analysis common to the sciences. Would you happily call pointillism a paradigm? Or Shinto? Seems a stretch.


Philosopher Lee Braver happily associates philosophies and metaphysical eras with paradigms. There is the Kantian paradigm, the Heideggerian paradigm, etc. He takes his lead from writers like Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze and Heidegger.
Leontiskos January 26, 2024 at 00:51 #875590
Quoting Banno
It's a common misapprehension. Many folk think Gettier "broke" a central idea in philosophy, but as so often, the situation was much more complicated.


Yes - thank you.
Pantagruel January 26, 2024 at 01:03 #875591
Quoting Banno
It's a common misapprehension. Many folk think Gettier "broke" a central idea in philosophy, but as so often, the situation was much more complicated. :wink:

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jkop January 26, 2024 at 02:12 #875600
Quoting J
An interesting question is whether it's possible to return to a previous paradigm.


Yes, for example a return to a paradigm* before Descartes proposed a separation between mind and body. A lot of philosophy has since then been obsessed with explaining away or trying to bridge the assumed gap between mind and body or other objects of knowledge.

Quoting Banno
But philosophy is not a science


Right, it's different in many respects, but it is also similar. Science, philosophy, and art are activities that challenge and sometimes increase understanding.

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RogueAI January 26, 2024 at 02:57 #875605
Reply to SpinozaNietzsche

Behaviorism and eliminativism are on the outs. Panpsychism is making a comeback.
Banno January 27, 2024 at 22:29 #876053
Reply to jkop It's hard enough to track paradigms in the sciences, where they are supposedly at home. Philosophy and art are usually, and perhaps better traced in terms of traditions. Where paradigms are supposedly incommensurate, traditions trade items.
Rob J Kennedy January 27, 2024 at 23:26 #876066
Well, I belevie that there should be "paradigm shifts or revolutions in philosophy".

Look at the advances in Neuroscince over the last five years, surely some of these must make us assess philosophicl thinking.

Sartre thought human conflict and constant struggle were just a normal part of our condition. Could the need for conflict be driven out of us by rewiring our brains? John Locke said, “Good and evil, reward, and punishment, are the only motives to a rational creature”. Our motives could be altered by medically changing our brains.

We have neurological methods of fixing problems with the brain, such as in people with speech impediments. We can translate brain activity into words and sentences through speech synthesis. When speaking, we can correlate the pattern of electrical activity that happens in the brain to consonants and vowels. This has given light to the neural code of speech. Through an implant, brain activity can be translated into a machine speech synthesis, which might give speechless people their spoken words back.

These and the many other advances in neuroscience make me think that philosophy might have to change its mind.
Wayfarer January 28, 2024 at 00:07 #876072
'Being modern' or 'the modern worldview' is itself an over-arching paradigm, because it embodies many unspoken axioms or presumptions about 'the nature of things' or 'the way things are' that are themselves philosophical in nature. And it is, of course, constantly changing (hence, post-modernism, post-secular and other such descriptors.) But then the task of a critical philosophy is bringing these presuppositions to conscious awareness - which is difficult, as they are like the spectacles through which we view everything and it's hard to look at them, instead of through them.
Joshs January 28, 2024 at 13:31 #876145
Reply to Rob J Kennedy

Quoting Rob J Kennedy
These and the many other advances in neuroscience make me think that philosophy might have to change its mind


Philosophy changes its mind all the time, usually well before the sciences do. The kinds of neurological ’fixes’ you describe have little to do with the meaning of paradigm shifts as Thomas Kuhn meant them. Improvement in a technology need not require any global transformation in thinking.
creativesoul January 28, 2024 at 13:51 #876151
Quoting Leontiskos
It's a common misapprehension. Many folk think Gettier "broke" a central idea in philosophy, but as so often, the situation was much more complicated.
— Banno

Yes - thank you.


Unpacking the complications of the situation requires a paradigmatic shift regarding what constitutes belief. A very large portion of the 'problem' Gettier showed involves the historical malpractice of treating belief as equivalent to propositions and/or propositional attitudes. When the right sort of light is shed upon that underlying issue, the 'problems' Gettier showed are dissolved.

Fire Ologist January 28, 2024 at 17:58 #876183
Maybe philosophy is paradigm recognition. The search for the paradigm.

Thales said to his buddy "See that tree over there?" And his buddy said "yeah, so what?" And Thales said, "It's not what you think it is. It's water." And we've been scratching our heads, asserting "paradigm shift" ever since.
Rob J Kennedy January 28, 2024 at 21:05 #876222
Hi Josh,

When I look at the state of the world, we are urgently ineed of transformative thinking. And, it is only medical science that can change us. Human nature is fixed.

Rob
Wayfarer January 28, 2024 at 22:13 #876230
Reply to Rob J Kennedy Medicine has specific areas of applicability, obviously a very important one, but not medicine is not applicable to everything.
Mww January 29, 2024 at 13:48 #876297
Quoting SpinozaNietzsche
What are such paradigm shifts in Philosophy?


Maybe nothing more than who is still the more referenced, after the longer time.

I submit, under that criteria, there are but two: Aristotle with pure logic, Kant with pure reason. All others construct philosophies ultimately grounded in, or at least conditioned by, presuppositions of them.
Joshs January 29, 2024 at 17:06 #876321
Quoting Mww
What are such paradigm shifts in Philosophy?
— SpinozaNietzsche

Maybe nothing more than who is still the more referenced, after the longer time.

I submit, under that criteria, there are but two: Aristotle with pure logic, Kant with pure reason. All others construct philosophies ultimately grounded in, or at least conditioned by, presuppositions of them.


According to that logic, most of what Kuhn considered to be paradigm shifts in the sciences would have to be ignored.

Mww January 29, 2024 at 20:54 #876349
Reply to Joshs

I don’t get it. Paradigm shifts in science are not ignored, couldn’t be by definition actually, so what’s wrong with the logic of my submission, exactly?
Tom Storm January 29, 2024 at 20:55 #876350
Reply to Mww Incidentally - where would you put post-structuralism in all this? Footnotes to Kant?
Joshs January 29, 2024 at 21:12 #876352
Reply to Mww

Quoting Mww
I don’t get it. Paradigm shifts in science are not ignored, couldn’t be by definition actually, so what’s wrong with the logic of my submission, exactly?


You said “ Maybe nothing more than who is still the more referenced, after the longer time.”

As overthrown scientific paradigms from earlier eras fade from memory, they will become referenced less and less. Just as in philosophy, Aristotle, Plato and Kant get all the attention , the first two as the founders of Western philosophy and the latter as the founder of modern philosophy, Aristotle, Euclid and Pythagoras get the attention for founding the logic-mathematical basis of science, and Galileo and Newton are credited with the grounding of modern science. But we no more ignore all the philosophical paradigms between the Greeks and Kant, or after Kant, than we do all of the scientific paradigms other than those associated with the Greeks and Newton. Is all modern philosophy just a footnote to Kant? No more so than Kant was just a footnote to Leibnitz, or Spinoza to Descartes, or Descartes to Aquinas.


Mww January 29, 2024 at 21:13 #876353
Reply to Tom Storm

Ehhhh….sorry, man, but I have such little interest in the soft sciences. That said, I can’t claim enough knowledge to answer your question. With respect to Kant, though, I’m confident social sciences would relate to him only as far as he treats of anthropology (from a pragmatic point of view), 1796. Not having studied that work, I can’t say post-structuralism is a footnote to it.
Arne January 29, 2024 at 21:14 #876354
Descartes. And I reject the notion that what constitutes a paradigm shift in one area defines a paradigm shift for all areas. Philosophy of mind, ontology, epistemology, and metaphysics as well as the scientific method are deeply rooted in Cartesianism for better or worse.

All paradigm shifts are philosophical. All paradigm shits are rooted in the way we look at the nature of being of particular areas of study. And it just does not get any more ontological than that.
Tom Storm January 29, 2024 at 21:16 #876355
Quoting Mww
Ehhhh….sorry, man, but I have such little interest in the soft sciences.


That's fine, I am just curious. So you don't see Derrida or Deluze, say, as philosophers. Maybe I should have said post-modernism.
Mww January 29, 2024 at 21:42 #876358
Quoting Tom Storm
So you don't see Derrida or Deluze, say, as philosophers.


Sure I do. But they haven’t seriously shifted any paradigms. Or, they haven’t shifted any serious paradigms. While they may have advanced this or that line of thought, they haven’t altered thought itself.
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Quoting Joshs
….overthrown scientific paradigms from earlier eras fade from memory….


That criteria is low-level, I should think. There are certainly advances in science, but very few cancel their predecessors outright.





Tom Storm January 29, 2024 at 21:54 #876360
Quoting Mww
Sure I do. But they haven’t seriously shifted any paradigms. Or, they haven’t shifted any serious paradigms. While they may have advanced this or that line of thought, they haven’t altered thought itself.


Fair enough. I wonder are there any generally agreed upon key indicters for when a paradigm has shifted? @Joshs?
Wayfarer January 29, 2024 at 22:23 #876367
How about the 1927 Solvay Conference in Physics as the mother of all paradigm shifts in modern science and philosophy? I say it marks the boundary between the Modern and Post-Modern periods. The subject was Electrons and Photons and the world's most notable physicists met to discuss the newly formulated quantum theory. The leading figures were Albert Einstein and Niels Bohr. Seventeen of the 29 attendees were or became Nobel Prize winners, including Marie Curie who, alone among them, had won Nobel Prizes in two separate scientific disciplines. ... Essentially all of those names who had contributed to the recent development of the quantum theory were at this Solvay Conference and the essentials of the newly-devised quantum mechanics were presented and discussed. (wiki)

Not only did these advances make possible almost all the technological breakthroughs seen in the 20th century, it also undermined many previous assumptions about the nature of matter, not least the supposed mind-independence of the objects of physics. This in turn gave rise to the philosophical conundrums posed by wave-function collapse and entanglement, still the source of unresolved debates about the nature of reality and the mind's place in it.

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Participants at the 1927 Solvay Conference: A. Piccard, E. Henriot, P. Ehrenfest, E. Herzen, Th. De Donder, E. Schrödinger, J.E. Verschaffelt, W. Pauli, W. Heisenberg, R.H. Fowler, L. Brillouin; P. Debye, M. Knudsen, W.L. Bragg, H.A. Kramers, P.A.M. Dirac, A.H. Compton, L. de Broglie, M. Born, N. Bohr; I. Langmuir, M. Planck, M. Curie, H.A. Lorentz, A. Einstein, P. Langevin, Ch. E. Guye, C.T.R. Wilson, O.W. Richardson
Mww January 29, 2024 at 22:52 #876373
Quoting Arne
Descartes


There is something to be said affirming that choice. I personally didn’t consider him, for his adhesion to religion, however much the times forced him into it. I mean, you can’t really shift many paradigms if you’re still beholden to organized gods for whatever grace…or indeed, disgrace…..you receive for your work.
Tom Storm January 29, 2024 at 22:56 #876374
Reply to Wayfarer Sounds like a good contender
Wayfarer January 29, 2024 at 23:03 #876375
Reply to Tom Storm The previous one was the shift to the Copernican solar system and the ensuing 'scientific revolution'.
Janus January 30, 2024 at 00:09 #876394
Quoting Wayfarer
The previous one was the shift to the Copernican solar system and the ensuing 'scientific revolution'.


I see both as being merely openings up of new areas of study due to advances in technology, and of course new areas of study are going to involve new ways of understanding.
Wayfarer January 30, 2024 at 00:13 #876396
Reply to Janus They're both paradigms, as per Kuhn's terminology. Quantum physics represented a significant departure from classical physics, particularly in its rejection of deterministic, Newtonian mechanics and its introduction of probabilistic and wave-particle duality concepts. Kuhn used quantum physics as an example of a scientific revolution because it challenged and replaced the existing paradigm of classical physics. The transition from classical to quantum physics marked a fundamental change in the way scientists viewed and understood the physical world, and it exemplifies Kuhn's idea of paradigm shifts in scientific development. He gfives the Copernican Revolution as another example to illustrate how scientific revolutions occur when a new paradigm replaces an older one. The acceptance of the heliocentric model required a significant change in the way scientists thought about the cosmos, and it represents a classic case of a paradigm shift in the history of science.

Paine January 30, 2024 at 00:15 #876397
How about Rousseau as a candidate?

There were many competing explanations for what "naturally" formed societies, but he emphasized the idea that something was lost rather than apologize on the basis of some view of success.

Maybe this thing sucks.
Janus January 30, 2024 at 00:49 #876403
Quoting Wayfarer
They're both paradigms, as per Kuhn's terminology. Quantum physics represented a significant departure from classical physics, particularly in its rejection of deterministic, Newtonian mechanics and its introduction of probabilistic and wave-particle duality concepts.


Newtonian mechanics never purported to deal with the microphysical, so they are not really bets understood as different paradigms, but as different areas of investigation.

The so-called Copernican Revolution came about as a result of more accurate observations made possible by the invention of the telescope and advances in telescope technology.

Sure, you can call these different paradigms, but I think the terminology is a bit overblown and potentially misleading.
Wayfarer January 30, 2024 at 00:55 #876405
Quoting Janus
Newtonian mechanics never purported to deal with the microphysical, so they are not really bets understood as different paradigms, but as different areas of investigation.


not the point. Newtonian mechanics ushered in the 'scientific revolution' which was another paradigm shift. It was far more than just 'accurate observations' as it involved the collapse of an entire cosmology and the ushering in of a wholly new worldlview.

Your remark reminds me of a famous anecdote, that on the day after the sinking of the Titanic, an Aberdeen newspaper was headlined 'Aberdeen Man Lost at Sea' ;-)
Janus January 30, 2024 at 01:00 #876408
Reply to Wayfarer You misunderstand. I'm not denying that new areas of study can result in profound changes to human life. Many, if not most, of those changes are on account of the supercharging of technological development. The discovery of fossil fuels was arguably a significant driver of that, and the thermodynamics involved in the development of the steam engine and then the ICE have nothing to do with advances in Quantum Mechanics.
Joshs January 30, 2024 at 02:22 #876413
Reply to Wayfarer
Quoting Wayfarer
How about the 1927 Solvay Conference in Physics as the mother of all paradigm shifts in modern science and philosophy? I say it marks the boundary between the Modern and Post-Modern periods


Darwin’s work made possible American Pragmatism, psychoanalysis and Piaget’s genetic epistemology, among other innovations. These ways of thinking are grounded in the understanding of unidirectional time as a fundamental organizing principle. Physicists in 1927 still tended to see time as irrelevant to physics ( and many still do). This was because their thinking was more consistent with Kant than with Hegel. Physics is just now catching up with post-Darwinian thinking. Then of course there’s Nietzsche, who wrote this 40 years before the Solvey conference:



“Physicists believe in a “true world” in their own fashion…. But they are in error. The atom they posit is inferred according to the logic of the perspectivism of consciousness—and it is therefore itself a subjective fiction. … And in any case they left something out of the constellation without knowing it: precisely this necessary perspectivism by virtue of which every center of force—and not only man—construes all the rest of the world from its own viewpoint, i.e., measures, feels, forms, according to its own force— They forgot to include
this perspective-setting force in “true being”—in school language: the subject.”(The Will to Power)


Wayfarer January 30, 2024 at 02:26 #876415
Reply to Paine

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Jean Jacques Rousseau



Hey how could you not love that face? Radiates warmth and humanity.
Wayfarer January 30, 2024 at 03:03 #876424
Quoting Joshs
“Physicists believe in a “true world” in their own fashion…. But they are in error. The atom they posit is inferred according to the logic of the perspectivism of consciousness—and it is therefore itself a subjective fiction ~ Nietszche


An intriguing passage, but even if atoms are not the supposed ultimate indivisible particles of atomism, they are also something more than a subjective fiction.

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'IBM in atoms' was a demonstration by IBM scientists in 1989 of a technology capable of manipulating individual atoms. A scanning tunneling microscope was used to arrange 35 individual xenon atoms on a substrate of chilled crystal of nickel to spell out the three letter company initials using single atoms. It was the first time that individual atoms had been precisely positioned on a flat surface (wiki).


On a side-note, do you think Nietzche's 'will to power' can be traced back to Schopenhauer?
Wayfarer January 30, 2024 at 07:07 #876446
The real power of modern physics is to render the goings-on of material bodies amenable to mathematical logic, and to extend it by methodically devising new mathematical concepts to describe as far as possible the unexpected behaviours of bodies. This enables great power by the application of logic to science and engineering with no regard for any purpose save the instrumental, the effective, to ‘what works’.
bert1 January 30, 2024 at 07:48 #876450
Paradigm shifts in science result from the scientific method, it seems to me. There is no analogous method in philosophy, and i can't really think of any paradigm shifts that have advanced the whole enterprise. Interesting question though.
jkop January 30, 2024 at 09:48 #876458
Reply to bert1
Good description, and you're right, there is no analogous method in philosophy. However, there are analogous shifts.

For example, philosophy used to be the general name for various sciences, but when these sciences specialized there was a shift in philosophy towards questions that didn't concern the sciences, such as ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and some left-over questions from psychology. Then with the linguistic turn there was a shift towards the nature of language.

Analogous shifts occur also in the arts (not to be confused with traditions or fashions). For example, before the invention of photography most of all graphic and sculptural art were more or less used in a scientific manner for depicting the natural world. When photographs became useful for that, there was a shift in the arts towards symbolization of whatever couldn't be photographed, i.e. invisible phenomena, mental or abstract objects etc. later a lot of art became conceptual.
bert1 January 30, 2024 at 10:14 #876461
Quoting jkop
For example, philosophy used to be the general name for various sciences, but when these sciences specialized there was a shift in philosophy towards questions that didn't concern the sciences, such as ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and some left-over questions from psychology. Then with the linguistic turn there was a shift towards the nature of language.


Yes, science has been gradually annexing philosophical territory as it figures out a way to check an idea against the world in a publicly repeatable way. I'd less characterise these as paradigm shifts (which represent progress and no loss of territory) and more as straightforward redrawing of the boundaries of philosophy.

The linguistic turn is an interesting case. I think of it more as a fashion, but perhaps for some it really is a paradigm shift because, if successful, it renders large quantities of philosophy confused and obsolete. I just don't think it's successful.
Mww January 30, 2024 at 13:50 #876492
Reply to Wayfarer

IBM in atoms, 1989;

“There’s Plenty of Room at the Bottom”, Feynman, 1959.

Joshs January 30, 2024 at 16:47 #876515
Reply to Wayfarer

Quoting Wayfarer
An intriguing passage, but even if atoms are not the supposed ultimate indivisible particles of atomism, they are also something more than a subjective fiction.


What Nietzsche means by fiction is a bit tricky. He can’t mean false as opposed to what is truly real, given his assertion that nothing lies behind appearance. What he means by fiction is the claim of scientific facts to some sort of status that transcends their condition of possibility in contingency. What makes this thinking of atoms a fiction, then, is not that it isn’t a useful construct, but that it conceals from itself that as a construct, it is historically contingent, and subject to wholesale transformation of its sense via the movement of paradigmatic change.

Quoting Wayfarer
On a side-note, do you think Nietzche's 'will to power' can be traced back to Schopenhauer?


Nietzsche’s concept of will to power is a critique of Schopenhauer’s notion of will.


There are still harmless self-observers who believe in the existence of “immediate certainties,” such as “I think,” or the “I will” that was Schopenhauer's superstition: just as if knowledge had been given an object here to seize, stark naked, as a “thing-in-itself,” and no falsification took place
from either the side of the subject or the side of the object… Philosophers tend to talk about the will as if it were the most familiar thing in the world. In fact, Schopenhauer would have us believe that the will is the only thing that is really familiar, familiar through and through, familiar without pluses or minuses. But I have always thought that, here too, Schopenhauer was only doing what philosophers always tend to do: adopting and exaggerating a popular prejudice.



jkop January 30, 2024 at 22:24 #876617
Quoting bert1
I'd less characterise these as paradigm shifts (which represent progress and no loss of territory) and more as straightforward redrawing of the boundaries of philosophy.


It occurs to me that the word 'progress' is used in related but different senses in science, philosophy, and art.

In all three there is a shift in the use of available methods, or in the understanding of the subject matter, that it is significant enough to influence many or most practitioners in their forthcoming work.

What is different is that progress in science is understood in terms of utility, i.e. the most recent science is typically more useful, efficient, advanced etc. than previous science. In philosophy progress is, for example, clarification of concepts (e.g. sense and reference), which may result in new ways to work with and understand philosophical questions. But it's debatable whether it is useful (a philosophical question). In the arts utility can be the opposite of progress, e.g. beauty being disinterested pleasure even. But it can be useful too, for example, the shift that occurred when artists learned how to construct perspective pictures.

Janus January 30, 2024 at 22:41 #876625
There are still harmless self-observers who believe in the existence of “immediate certainties,” such as “I think,” or the “I will” that was Schopenhauer's superstition: just as if knowledge had been given an object here to seize, stark naked, as a “thing-in-itself,” and no falsification took place
from either the side of the subject or the side of the object… Philosophers tend to talk about the will as if it were the most familiar thing in the world. In fact, Schopenhauer would have us believe that the will is the only thing that is really familiar, familiar through and through, familiar without pluses or minuses. But I have always thought that, here too, Schopenhauer was only doing what philosophers always tend to do: adopting and exaggerating a popular prejudice.


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