The art of thinking, A chain of thought with a variety of different philosophical questions
Chapter I:
Definition of Life
For as long as we have lived, we have thought. Thought; a concept created by a brain so powerful it can bring rational thought and emotional feeling together. The downside, it can also destroy the bond between those two ways of perception.
People who act more on emotional feeling are deemed overreactional beings. People who act more on rational thoughts are praised as intellect and smart people.
I believe I am a dualist, but I do believe one way is vital for the existence of the other. For there to be rationality, there must be emotionality and the other way around. When asked for a rational opinion, the question is actually: give me an opinion without emotion. But for opinions to be, there must be emotion involved.
We simply cant exchange thoughts without emotion involved. If you do, it isnt your opinion, but a given fact. Where we see the separation of the two ways the most: science. Science is the most rational based way of perception of the world around us.
The fact that we could get so separated of our own emotion and feeling to understand the world around us, shows us how powerful our brain actually is. It is so strong that it can dismiss its own nature, just to get a physically perceivable way of the world and existence itself.
The urge to find and understand the origin of our existence has driven us through many ways of living. We have seen many different religions in our history, from Greek gods with various characteristics to a monotheistic god like Jaweh who symbolises love and justice.
That has always been the way of our understanding of the world and we let it be, it was a way of life. Till there were those who were curious, werent satisfied with obeying and non-critical thinking about the world around us. They started to dismiss the reality of that time and made it religionless. From praying to be healed, to doctors of our time who tackled almost all of the diseases at the hand of science.
In a way science became its own atheistic religion. People believe in science just like people believed in gods. There is one thing these two have in common. The search for life; how we are alive, why we are and what made us be.
One thing they dont have in common is the emotion. In religion we find ourselves with norms and values. Whatever religion you are a part of, you must have encountered the norms and values of that religion. From charity in Christianity to Buddhist values like wisdom, kindness, patience, generosity and compassion.
An interesting thing about all the norms and values is that they are universally accepted. If you ask a person if he thinks that patience is a good value, then he will most definitely say yes.
The fact that everyone experiences these universally accepted norms and values, wherever you go in the world, means that were somehow connected in a way that isnt perceivable or provable by science. The fact that that is present, proves that there is a meaning of life beyond one religion or science.
For some, science represents life, for others, religion does. I think that we have been looking in the wrong place to find the meaning to life. We have been looking outside to the world around us, but what if we have to look inside? The universal norms and values suggest that we have a part of life inside of us.
Take for example the urge to reproduce. Of course not everyone feels this that intense, but the urge is definitely there. The sole biological purpose of a human or animal to reproduce is to pass on genes so that they can keep living on. Why is that? What makes us so urgent to keep living on? We cant put it in a formula or see it happen in our brains. It must be something greater. Is life a god? Is science the formula to life? Is life a good thing?
Is life a good thing? We think about that when we see nature going on without any looking back to the loss it endured. Is life good if something alive can stop an alive being from being alive? These questions get clouded by our feeling of moral good.
Life doesnt have a personality as it can be everything alive, means life cant be a form of thinking like us. Which means it is not a person in our way of perception. This brings us to if life itself has morals, or if that our brain has made that concept to stay alive.
Take for example a lion which kills a gazelle. A life form stops another from living. Isnt that cruel? Just so that the lion can keep on living, another creature has to be sacrificed? At least we know life doesnt have the morals we have. Therefore morals must be a concept that our brain has created to stay alive more easily.
Chapter II:
Life, Morals and Characteristics
In the previous chapter I talked about morals quite briefly. In this chapter we are going to zoom-in into the laws of life and the morals we give to it.
The way we are, the way we perceive things, the way we react on things is all based on experience and character. Otherwise known as nature & nurture. You see, when you experience something bad, something shameful maybe, we remember that, we feel that when we think of it.
Take for example a time when you got bullied at school. Most people will remember how they felt. When something similar occurs later in life, we tend to react differently than someone who didnt experience bullying at all.
At first this seems perfectly fine, logical or even a given. For me, it raises some question marks. Do we start off with a set of characteristics? If so, why is that different for everyone? If not, isnt everything nurture instead of nature too?
Of course you see differences in curiosity or one more emotional sensitive than others when they grow up, but is that nature or nurture? Is the way you handle a kids natural reaction of influence on how theyll do it next time?
We can most certainly say that everyone who has a regular and normal growth of the body inside the womb, has a basic reaction on the emotions they feel. We all know babies cry when they want food or want something to drink. Thats a basic reaction in the baby fase of growing up.
In this fase we see that love of a parental figure is vital for the survival of the baby. We see in kids with a turbulent home situation quite a few different results of the behaviour of children in society. There are kids who turn out to be troublemakers, kids who will be peoplepleasers and kids who just suck it up and become quiet.
What makes a kid get one specific and unique personality of the many personalities that are out there. Is it the nature of on how they react to certain situations or is it how theyve been treated in these situations? Or both?
For certain we can say they get a set of morals and values based on their experiences. If you grow up in a family where everything is allowed, you tend to be more initiative and creative than households where there were strict rules and limitations to ones being.
The free kid will have a set of morals based on do what you want and live in the moment where the limited kid will have more structured and high aim-like morals.
So where you grow up in, definitely influences your morals and values. Do morals and values create your characteristics or do they just shape them to some degree? And how directly? For example: I tell someone their hair is nice. Most people get a happy feeling and will be more confident. Is that till someone says their hair is not nice? Or is it a permanent marker on someones being?
After some time that person will probably have forgotten my compliment at all and go on with their life as they always did. This is only very specific. My influence on a persons behaviour depends upon how they feel at that time.
In the example I just gave, this person probably felt quite alright given that he has already forgotten the compliment the next time I meet him. If I told someone who was doing not so great, then maybe it has more of an impact. And even there is an incredible amount of nuance.
That way we can see people are infinitely unique and complex that we cant label it with some sort of guidelines. That proves that nurture has an immense impact on our behaviour, but does our behaviour reflect our characteristics right?
Is there even a way to conclude someones natural characteristics? There will always be basic traits in a behaviour of a person. A certain curiosity, a certain caring etc. Those traits are a few of many where people lock into when theyre comfortable and not overthinking things.
The awareness of feeling also has an influence on how we behave. If something bad has happened and I feel bad about that, but somebody comes up with a funny joke, then you can get a little joyous. When you feel an emotion in a time where that emotion doesnt fit, then you can become more easily aware of that. You notice behavioural changes easier in unfitting circumstances, for that emotion triggering the emotion fitting to the situation and falling back into the standard emotion of the situation.
For example you are at home and feel at home, you can get comfortable and do things you like; drawing or making music or doing something else. Youll feel quite good and youll be good feeling the whole time because thats the standard situation youre in without any influence of other outside influences.
Chapter III
State of nature, by E. Schaeffer
Let me sketch a situation for you. A person out of society, living solely on their own. Living in their natural state, there has been no nurture or influence of other people. Only nature and the person exist. The way nature goes, is the way the person will go. Lets say the person built a house and it started raining heavily, the person discovers a leak and its the first time the person encountered this problem. The person wont know what to do at first. With no experience at all he/she will start looking for a solution. He/she found one and it stopped raining so theres no need to think about that again. The next time it starts raining heavily again, he/she will implement the same solution again, but with less thinking about it. So even without influence or nurture by other people, a person will always somehow be nurtured by nature itself. Everyone encounters problems in their lives and their nature will be impacted by that experience. We call this nurture, but out of experience.
So now we know what nurture is, but how do we describe nature? Well, like this: nature is the fundamental set of traits and talents of a person. A person without any experience of life at all. The way a persons nature gets shaped is by nurture through experience, either through own experience or through experiences of others who share them with you.
As we now have determined the way I perceive nature and nurture, we could apply this on something personal to me: My life. Ive had my fair share of nurture and I can definitely claim that I have a certain nature.
We can say that I, as of right now, am a curious and passionate person. A little showcase: someone comes to me and we dont know each other, I havent seen anything he/she has done, or how they behave. In this situation my nurture-shaped nature will be at its most natural state.
It is difficult to determine traits though. Is it in our absolute nature? Or is it something based on nurture? How do we answer these questions? Can we even begin on starting to answer them? Is it upon us to answer them? Maybe, maybe not. Either way, I will be trying to answer it the best I can. You, the reader, will go with me on my journey to the answer.
Chapter IV: The Journey to The Answer, introduction
As I mentioned in Chapter I: everyone has a basic set of emotions they can and do experience. For example: happiness or sadness. We already have that inside of us when we get born. This suggests that, even if you look at where and how you are now, we all have a basic nature. A nature without nurture, but still with emotions.
In this case we can conclude that everyone, with the same history, should be the same. A non-nurtured baby from another mother would experience, feel and think everything exactly the same as the baby who came out of the mother in question. Except, this just doesnt feel right. Does a mother-baby bond mean nothing then? Does the bond just start when the baby is born and that it smells the first person it comes in contact to?
It just doesnt seem right. It cant be. My theory: when you get pregnant, there must be a little nature of the mother and father be passed on to the baby. And this has been proven. I have, in my logic, logically theorised about characteristics in the nature of people. This has been proven, I am over the moon. Its a beautiful validation of my thinking process.
We can build on this now, as it has been proven.
Part 1, Where does it start?
The first question that comes to my mind: but where did it start? We can say, based on research, that everyone has a set of genes of the last 3-ish generations combined. This can, of course, only be in the presence of a once living great-grandparent. There was a time where we were as humans and there has been a time where we were not.
Following the evolution timeline, the first actual human is quite difficult to determine. What defines us as human? Our cognitive function? Our emphatic capacity? Most scientists say that we are very similar anatomically to great apes, but the part that divides us from the apes is our cognitive ability, like articulate speech and abstract reasoning.
When we look to religion there are an immense amount of explanations to be found. From Christianitys creation and Hinduism likewise, to the Greek Chaos who gives birth to the universe. In these creation myths there is always a higher power involved. Why is that, why must there be an explanation of our existence?
Now you must think: well hes contradictory, hes doing exactly that what he is questioning! And I hear you, but Im okay with not knowing. I do this for fun! Now to get back to my philosophy. Why is it that people need to clarify our existence?
Part 2, The urge of needing security
This urge of needing security is quite interesting. Feeling safe in a sense of security is so needed by people who live there life in the society of this time. The perception of security is very restricting though. Take a religion like Christianity, its so set on everything what we dont know is explainable by referring to a God. I think that religion restricts your capability of being open to everything and everyone around you. Im baffled by the way some Christians see Buddhism or Islam. A lot of it is just untrue! Or something like plucking the splinter out of ones eye while having a piece of wood in your own.
The closedmindedness is mainly a product of fear. A lot of Christians say that reading the Quran or reading books about Buddhism is opening up yourself for evil and whatnot (definitely not just the case with Christianity, but with a lot of religions out there). It really polarises everyone and prevents people from being openminded. So by being closeminded yourself, you also make other people closeminded. All in the name of a sense of security.
For people to be, people must allow them to be.
Part 3, The wanting society
There is a form of tolerance needed by people to let people be, but is that possible in our wanting society? Our society is, like Rousseau said, focussed on property. The need to have what others have to feel satisfied. To come back to the question, my answer is yes. I think a lot is possible which might not be possible in other peoples views. I think almost everyone has the capability to think morally good and close to themselves, but they have just strayed away from themselves over the years, decades and centuries. Away from their nature. Towards rationality which, in a lot of cases, destroys the link with ones nature.
Science is of course the prime example. Science is not the problem itself though. If used right, it is a powerful tool to learn about the world around us. The problem is that when it becomes the goal and not the tool anymore. This causes it to become some sort of lifestyle or belief. Everything has to be explained through science whilst it is beautiful as it is. There are a lot of things not explainable by science, but very true.
There are so many ways to get to the truth, science is but one of them.
The writer of this article (me, Elnathan Schaeffer) is currently working on this project as it is a project to be criticised and altered to get closer to the truth. Do comment and criticise for the truth is out there.
Definition of Life
For as long as we have lived, we have thought. Thought; a concept created by a brain so powerful it can bring rational thought and emotional feeling together. The downside, it can also destroy the bond between those two ways of perception.
People who act more on emotional feeling are deemed overreactional beings. People who act more on rational thoughts are praised as intellect and smart people.
I believe I am a dualist, but I do believe one way is vital for the existence of the other. For there to be rationality, there must be emotionality and the other way around. When asked for a rational opinion, the question is actually: give me an opinion without emotion. But for opinions to be, there must be emotion involved.
We simply cant exchange thoughts without emotion involved. If you do, it isnt your opinion, but a given fact. Where we see the separation of the two ways the most: science. Science is the most rational based way of perception of the world around us.
The fact that we could get so separated of our own emotion and feeling to understand the world around us, shows us how powerful our brain actually is. It is so strong that it can dismiss its own nature, just to get a physically perceivable way of the world and existence itself.
The urge to find and understand the origin of our existence has driven us through many ways of living. We have seen many different religions in our history, from Greek gods with various characteristics to a monotheistic god like Jaweh who symbolises love and justice.
That has always been the way of our understanding of the world and we let it be, it was a way of life. Till there were those who were curious, werent satisfied with obeying and non-critical thinking about the world around us. They started to dismiss the reality of that time and made it religionless. From praying to be healed, to doctors of our time who tackled almost all of the diseases at the hand of science.
In a way science became its own atheistic religion. People believe in science just like people believed in gods. There is one thing these two have in common. The search for life; how we are alive, why we are and what made us be.
One thing they dont have in common is the emotion. In religion we find ourselves with norms and values. Whatever religion you are a part of, you must have encountered the norms and values of that religion. From charity in Christianity to Buddhist values like wisdom, kindness, patience, generosity and compassion.
An interesting thing about all the norms and values is that they are universally accepted. If you ask a person if he thinks that patience is a good value, then he will most definitely say yes.
The fact that everyone experiences these universally accepted norms and values, wherever you go in the world, means that were somehow connected in a way that isnt perceivable or provable by science. The fact that that is present, proves that there is a meaning of life beyond one religion or science.
For some, science represents life, for others, religion does. I think that we have been looking in the wrong place to find the meaning to life. We have been looking outside to the world around us, but what if we have to look inside? The universal norms and values suggest that we have a part of life inside of us.
Take for example the urge to reproduce. Of course not everyone feels this that intense, but the urge is definitely there. The sole biological purpose of a human or animal to reproduce is to pass on genes so that they can keep living on. Why is that? What makes us so urgent to keep living on? We cant put it in a formula or see it happen in our brains. It must be something greater. Is life a god? Is science the formula to life? Is life a good thing?
Is life a good thing? We think about that when we see nature going on without any looking back to the loss it endured. Is life good if something alive can stop an alive being from being alive? These questions get clouded by our feeling of moral good.
Life doesnt have a personality as it can be everything alive, means life cant be a form of thinking like us. Which means it is not a person in our way of perception. This brings us to if life itself has morals, or if that our brain has made that concept to stay alive.
Take for example a lion which kills a gazelle. A life form stops another from living. Isnt that cruel? Just so that the lion can keep on living, another creature has to be sacrificed? At least we know life doesnt have the morals we have. Therefore morals must be a concept that our brain has created to stay alive more easily.
Chapter II:
Life, Morals and Characteristics
In the previous chapter I talked about morals quite briefly. In this chapter we are going to zoom-in into the laws of life and the morals we give to it.
The way we are, the way we perceive things, the way we react on things is all based on experience and character. Otherwise known as nature & nurture. You see, when you experience something bad, something shameful maybe, we remember that, we feel that when we think of it.
Take for example a time when you got bullied at school. Most people will remember how they felt. When something similar occurs later in life, we tend to react differently than someone who didnt experience bullying at all.
At first this seems perfectly fine, logical or even a given. For me, it raises some question marks. Do we start off with a set of characteristics? If so, why is that different for everyone? If not, isnt everything nurture instead of nature too?
Of course you see differences in curiosity or one more emotional sensitive than others when they grow up, but is that nature or nurture? Is the way you handle a kids natural reaction of influence on how theyll do it next time?
We can most certainly say that everyone who has a regular and normal growth of the body inside the womb, has a basic reaction on the emotions they feel. We all know babies cry when they want food or want something to drink. Thats a basic reaction in the baby fase of growing up.
In this fase we see that love of a parental figure is vital for the survival of the baby. We see in kids with a turbulent home situation quite a few different results of the behaviour of children in society. There are kids who turn out to be troublemakers, kids who will be peoplepleasers and kids who just suck it up and become quiet.
What makes a kid get one specific and unique personality of the many personalities that are out there. Is it the nature of on how they react to certain situations or is it how theyve been treated in these situations? Or both?
For certain we can say they get a set of morals and values based on their experiences. If you grow up in a family where everything is allowed, you tend to be more initiative and creative than households where there were strict rules and limitations to ones being.
The free kid will have a set of morals based on do what you want and live in the moment where the limited kid will have more structured and high aim-like morals.
So where you grow up in, definitely influences your morals and values. Do morals and values create your characteristics or do they just shape them to some degree? And how directly? For example: I tell someone their hair is nice. Most people get a happy feeling and will be more confident. Is that till someone says their hair is not nice? Or is it a permanent marker on someones being?
After some time that person will probably have forgotten my compliment at all and go on with their life as they always did. This is only very specific. My influence on a persons behaviour depends upon how they feel at that time.
In the example I just gave, this person probably felt quite alright given that he has already forgotten the compliment the next time I meet him. If I told someone who was doing not so great, then maybe it has more of an impact. And even there is an incredible amount of nuance.
That way we can see people are infinitely unique and complex that we cant label it with some sort of guidelines. That proves that nurture has an immense impact on our behaviour, but does our behaviour reflect our characteristics right?
Is there even a way to conclude someones natural characteristics? There will always be basic traits in a behaviour of a person. A certain curiosity, a certain caring etc. Those traits are a few of many where people lock into when theyre comfortable and not overthinking things.
The awareness of feeling also has an influence on how we behave. If something bad has happened and I feel bad about that, but somebody comes up with a funny joke, then you can get a little joyous. When you feel an emotion in a time where that emotion doesnt fit, then you can become more easily aware of that. You notice behavioural changes easier in unfitting circumstances, for that emotion triggering the emotion fitting to the situation and falling back into the standard emotion of the situation.
For example you are at home and feel at home, you can get comfortable and do things you like; drawing or making music or doing something else. Youll feel quite good and youll be good feeling the whole time because thats the standard situation youre in without any influence of other outside influences.
Chapter III
State of nature, by E. Schaeffer
Let me sketch a situation for you. A person out of society, living solely on their own. Living in their natural state, there has been no nurture or influence of other people. Only nature and the person exist. The way nature goes, is the way the person will go. Lets say the person built a house and it started raining heavily, the person discovers a leak and its the first time the person encountered this problem. The person wont know what to do at first. With no experience at all he/she will start looking for a solution. He/she found one and it stopped raining so theres no need to think about that again. The next time it starts raining heavily again, he/she will implement the same solution again, but with less thinking about it. So even without influence or nurture by other people, a person will always somehow be nurtured by nature itself. Everyone encounters problems in their lives and their nature will be impacted by that experience. We call this nurture, but out of experience.
So now we know what nurture is, but how do we describe nature? Well, like this: nature is the fundamental set of traits and talents of a person. A person without any experience of life at all. The way a persons nature gets shaped is by nurture through experience, either through own experience or through experiences of others who share them with you.
As we now have determined the way I perceive nature and nurture, we could apply this on something personal to me: My life. Ive had my fair share of nurture and I can definitely claim that I have a certain nature.
We can say that I, as of right now, am a curious and passionate person. A little showcase: someone comes to me and we dont know each other, I havent seen anything he/she has done, or how they behave. In this situation my nurture-shaped nature will be at its most natural state.
It is difficult to determine traits though. Is it in our absolute nature? Or is it something based on nurture? How do we answer these questions? Can we even begin on starting to answer them? Is it upon us to answer them? Maybe, maybe not. Either way, I will be trying to answer it the best I can. You, the reader, will go with me on my journey to the answer.
Chapter IV: The Journey to The Answer, introduction
As I mentioned in Chapter I: everyone has a basic set of emotions they can and do experience. For example: happiness or sadness. We already have that inside of us when we get born. This suggests that, even if you look at where and how you are now, we all have a basic nature. A nature without nurture, but still with emotions.
In this case we can conclude that everyone, with the same history, should be the same. A non-nurtured baby from another mother would experience, feel and think everything exactly the same as the baby who came out of the mother in question. Except, this just doesnt feel right. Does a mother-baby bond mean nothing then? Does the bond just start when the baby is born and that it smells the first person it comes in contact to?
It just doesnt seem right. It cant be. My theory: when you get pregnant, there must be a little nature of the mother and father be passed on to the baby. And this has been proven. I have, in my logic, logically theorised about characteristics in the nature of people. This has been proven, I am over the moon. Its a beautiful validation of my thinking process.
We can build on this now, as it has been proven.
Part 1, Where does it start?
The first question that comes to my mind: but where did it start? We can say, based on research, that everyone has a set of genes of the last 3-ish generations combined. This can, of course, only be in the presence of a once living great-grandparent. There was a time where we were as humans and there has been a time where we were not.
Following the evolution timeline, the first actual human is quite difficult to determine. What defines us as human? Our cognitive function? Our emphatic capacity? Most scientists say that we are very similar anatomically to great apes, but the part that divides us from the apes is our cognitive ability, like articulate speech and abstract reasoning.
When we look to religion there are an immense amount of explanations to be found. From Christianitys creation and Hinduism likewise, to the Greek Chaos who gives birth to the universe. In these creation myths there is always a higher power involved. Why is that, why must there be an explanation of our existence?
Now you must think: well hes contradictory, hes doing exactly that what he is questioning! And I hear you, but Im okay with not knowing. I do this for fun! Now to get back to my philosophy. Why is it that people need to clarify our existence?
Part 2, The urge of needing security
This urge of needing security is quite interesting. Feeling safe in a sense of security is so needed by people who live there life in the society of this time. The perception of security is very restricting though. Take a religion like Christianity, its so set on everything what we dont know is explainable by referring to a God. I think that religion restricts your capability of being open to everything and everyone around you. Im baffled by the way some Christians see Buddhism or Islam. A lot of it is just untrue! Or something like plucking the splinter out of ones eye while having a piece of wood in your own.
The closedmindedness is mainly a product of fear. A lot of Christians say that reading the Quran or reading books about Buddhism is opening up yourself for evil and whatnot (definitely not just the case with Christianity, but with a lot of religions out there). It really polarises everyone and prevents people from being openminded. So by being closeminded yourself, you also make other people closeminded. All in the name of a sense of security.
For people to be, people must allow them to be.
Part 3, The wanting society
There is a form of tolerance needed by people to let people be, but is that possible in our wanting society? Our society is, like Rousseau said, focussed on property. The need to have what others have to feel satisfied. To come back to the question, my answer is yes. I think a lot is possible which might not be possible in other peoples views. I think almost everyone has the capability to think morally good and close to themselves, but they have just strayed away from themselves over the years, decades and centuries. Away from their nature. Towards rationality which, in a lot of cases, destroys the link with ones nature.
Science is of course the prime example. Science is not the problem itself though. If used right, it is a powerful tool to learn about the world around us. The problem is that when it becomes the goal and not the tool anymore. This causes it to become some sort of lifestyle or belief. Everything has to be explained through science whilst it is beautiful as it is. There are a lot of things not explainable by science, but very true.
There are so many ways to get to the truth, science is but one of them.
The writer of this article (me, Elnathan Schaeffer) is currently working on this project as it is a project to be criticised and altered to get closer to the truth. Do comment and criticise for the truth is out there.
Comments (15)
The quality of posts these past few days has been abysmal.
Quoting Elnathan
OK, so right off the bat, the brain DOES NOT create thought. It supports the thought process. When you are going to dig into the details on something philosophically, you need to be clear.
Second issue is that the brain IS NOT the thing that brings rational thought (or irrational thought) and emotion together. So you left out irrational thought which is part a of issue 2. You show GREAT and incorrect bias towards thought as an approach to life that is singular with this setup.
Part 2b is that thought IS ONLY emotion. All thought is only fear. This truth completely disrupts the false high position of thought in most peoples; foolish opinions. So your bringing of two ways of perception may be true but they are BOTH emotional. And in fact there is a third one, anger.
Quoting Captain Homicide
These are wildly blanket statements that are also not true of all people and in fact not true in general. There is NOTHING BUT emotional feeling. So all people act on emotions. What you call thought and reason is only fear, an emotion. Yes, fear-side people are usually considered 'smarter' by default. That is because order which is the source of fear, shows us probability and is therefore supposedly more 'useful'. It is a dangerous lie because desire points to the ideals, perfection, and is every single bit as moral as fear side Pragmatism is, despite its lower probability.
Quoting Captain Homicide
OK, nice. Now, you are starting to make more sense. I gave you the reasons WHY this sentiment is true, above.
Quoting Captain Homicide
No, incorrect. You were right with the FIRST statement. All thought is ONLY emotion, fear. And facts are only beliefs. You must have some desire for or against the fact. It's super rare that someone can maintain perfect balance.
Quoting Captain Homicide
Yes, fear, Pragmatism, empiricism; all the same things. Limit oneself to what we can trap inside a construct of awareness and repeat as observable. But all fear is a trap. It is a cowardly retreat. It humorous that you consider the other emotions reactionary. You are PRECISELY wrong there.
Fear and thus all thought is all reactionary only. The other two emotions desire and anger have to do with the future and the present, respectively. Fear is the reactionary emotion. Fear is 'an excitable state that arises as a result of matching a pattern from one's past.' All structure, all order, all thought, is a manifestation more of fear than of the other two emotions.
What is the definition of doing things over and over again and at least being OPEN to the concept of getting different results: Here's a hint. It's NOT insanity. It's the scientific method. Morons think that is insane. The man who first came out of his hut 4345 times in a row to record the sun in the sky finally sees an eclipse. Colloquial thinking and word use is horrid beyond all understanding. We have to do better to be wise.
Quoting Captain Homicide
You really need to explain that jumbled statement. It is not a good idea to get all 'la la' giddy happy about what the brain is and can do. It is only a single part of the body and that only a single part of the universe. Humility is advised as a moral path. The old school partitioners had it BETTER. Mind, body, and heart(soul). The three way split between fear, anger, and desire is MORE correct. To glorify reason and the mind is order-apology, fear-side thinking, only.
Quoting Captain Homicide
There is NO segue here. We are left at this point wondering how this will connect.
Quoting Captain Homicide
Religion at least tried to embrace wisdom, philosophy, to better mankind's plight. The brutal Pragmatism of fear-side logic is cold and dead by itself. It might be able to pick out more probable paths for us, but, to eschew the desire and anger contributions of a moral life is just immoral. You are glorifying immoral failure in a way.
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And now you come back to a position I can agree with.
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This is wildly over simplified. Each of these faiths is about wisdom and control or ordering the populace towards practical function. And you are wrong, the emotions are the same. If you are trying oddly to say that the emphasis is slightly different, ok, ... who cares?
Quoting Captain Homicide
No, that is a trivially incorrect answer. I know people, myself included that think patience is overrated and often just self-indulgent cowardice or laziness in disguise.
I think you are alluding to an objective morality but you do not come out and say it. Say it if that is what you mean.
Quoting Captain Homicide
Well, you're wrong again. What passes for scientific proof does prove we are alive and connected. These values can be measured and actions weighed against them and they have been in countless studies. Science (and religion really) are not DONE. They are not OVER. They are ongoing processes. So, to say something is beyond them MIGHT be true only right now. So your statements are vague and undefendable. Keep in mind I do not really believe in 100% awareness of anything, but the standards for valid beliefs require more justification in depth than I see here. It does NOT have to be academic, but well covered, at least.
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Well, that is yet another 'la de da' statement. And it is yet another non-segue.
Quoting Captain Homicide
Lol! The SOLE purpose? No, not at all. Rejected.
Clearly, though if moral expression or wiser choices are part of the meaning of the universe, then we must 'pay it forward'. That is to say evolution invested a lot of time and energy into us, so we are obliged to keep the process going by breeding and in fact evolution has made sure that we do not forget to do that. Incentives are there to coax us into mating and having children.
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Moral good brings clarity, not cloudiness. You are all over the place.
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Life is us. Life has every personality. To say it doesn't is again JUST WRONG.
Quoting Captain Homicide
Morality is not a social construct. It is an objective fundamental law of nature. Attempts to name it a social construct are blithe immoral acts made in order to excuse self-indulgence, cowardice, and laziness.
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Life is only morals. Your confused points are not able to be united in any way.
Evolution allows that the more successful pattern can consume the lesser ones. In some cases, if the greater pattern is not careful, it can be consumed by the lesser. None of that disavows morality in any way. In fact, it underscores moral truth. Proper effort is required of choosers at all levels of the moral hierarchy. Lack of effort or reasoning is immoral weakness.
Somehow you've managed to attribute nearly all the quotes in your reply to a poster who's not even participating in this thread.
No, the religious wish and hope that there is a God, unshown, which is called 'faith'; then, sadly, misleadingly preach and teach as if 'God is true'; not honest.
People trust in science that works and is shown as proven; honest.
Were the scientists who proved and developed the atomic bombs honest?
Thank you, its just my chain of thoughts. Im merely throwing thoughts out there, not to be battered like they have been now, but to be well criticised. Sure there were a lot of good points, but there were also a lot of extra comments which were just humiliating.
It is easy to do and I think his sarcasm is peaking out there a lit bit.
OK, but just opening the thread to be met by that is overwhelming. I read most of it but I, fortunately, had the time to do so. For some people it would be easier to read three or four threads on different topics.
And without some sort of a question or prompt it is difficult to know how to reply to what you are saying.
You say things have been proven, do you expect everyone just to accept your word for it? Provide some links or quotes to back up your beliefs.
Works sometimes. Not always. A brief, concise OP helps.