57 Symptoms in Need of a Cure
Just some thoughts. Would appreciate comments, positive or negative.
(Endnotes are in my Word doc. Message me if you want a copy.)
[Edit: added a few items and they are now numbered]
Symptoms In Need Of A Cure
1. [Actress Roseanne Barr] says people are eating babies and drinking their blood. Oh, and she says she's not crazy.
2. North Texas megachurch pastor blasts Democrats as 'godless' and 'demonic'
3. Pastor Rebukes Democrats in Church
4. Pastor calls autism demonic
5. 2-Year-Old Girl Dies After Faith-Healing Parents Refuse Medical Treatment: Officials
6. Video shows [Sarah] Palin in anti-witchcraft prayer
7. 17 Reasons Why Evolution is a Lie
8. The 10 Best Evidences from Science That Confirm a Young Earth
9. My Flat Earth: Why I Believe God's Creation (Biblical Cosmology)
10. Does the Bible Teach That the Earth Is Flat?
11. Predicted dates of the Second Coming of Jesus through history
12. Catholic Church sexual abuse cases by country
13. Jesus is their savior, Trump is their candidate. Ex-presidents backers say he shares faith, values
14. Why Evangelicals Went All In on Trump, Again
15. The Republican Party Is Coming for Birth Control
16. Letting them die: parents refuse medical help for children in the name of Christ
17. Some religious leaders oppose IVF, causing tension among churchgoers struggling with infertility
18. Witch Trials & Witchcraft
19. We Must Extinguish Faith-Based Violence, Xenophobia by Tackling Hate Speech, Protecting Religious Sites, Secretary-General Tells Interfaith Summit
20. Evangelicals Are Now Rejecting 'Liberal' Teachings of Jesus
21. Another look at religious objections to obstetric anaesthesia
22. Fundamentalists are not as "intelligent"
23. A Blasphemous InventionReligious Objections to Ben Franklins Lightning Rod
24. What are Christian arguments against the use of anesthesia?
25. Christian Nationalism: A grave threat to America
26. Christian Nationalism Is Single Biggest Threat to Americas Religious Freedom
27. The Radical Evangelicals Who Helped Push Jan. 6 to Wage War on Demonic Influence
28. Federally Funded Abstinence-Only Programs: Harmful and Ineffective
29. Militant Christian Nationalists Remain A Potent Force, Even After The Capitol Riot
30. Well, We Have a Speaker. Hes an Election Denier and an Extreme Christian Fundamentalist.
31. When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
32. Is Fascism Coming to America? | Opinion
33. Trump repeats baseless claim about Haitian immigrants eating pets
34. Republicans Declare Banning Universal Free School Meals a 2024 Priority
35. 14 GOP-led states have turned down federal money to feed low-income kids in the summer. Heres why
36. Christianity and Xenophobia
37. No, Christians Cannot Support the Democrat Party
38. Could My Child Have a Demon? (Part I)
39. After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'satanic panic' case
40. Christian Pastor Calls for Killing All Gay People
41. Is 'Thank God for dead soldiers' protected speech?
42. Homophobic pastor says LGBT+ people should be killed: As much as God loves, God hates
43. 45% of Americans Say U.S. Should Be a Christian Nation
44. Pope Reaffirms 'No Salvation' Outside Catholic 'Church'
45. Roman Catholicism Is Not Christianity
46. IS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH THE ONE TRUE CHURCH?
47. The Pro-Slavery History of the Southern Baptists
48. Racism among white Christians is higher than among the nonreligious. That's no coincidence.
49. Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion--several of them.
50. Becoming Catholic #22: What Did the Ancient Church Believe? The Catholic Church is the One True Church
51. About four-in-ten U.S. adults believe humanity is living in the end times
52. Watch a US Senator Cite the Bible to Prove That Humans Arent Causing Global Warming
53. There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been.
54. President Trump: 'I am the chosen one'
55. Opinion: How a misreading of the Bible fuels many Americans apathy about climate change
56. Fascism in America: Its Happening Here, According to Professor's New Book
57. So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence.
Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly.
(Endnotes are in my Word doc. Message me if you want a copy.)
[Edit: added a few items and they are now numbered]
Symptoms In Need Of A Cure
1. [Actress Roseanne Barr] says people are eating babies and drinking their blood. Oh, and she says she's not crazy.
2. North Texas megachurch pastor blasts Democrats as 'godless' and 'demonic'
3. Pastor Rebukes Democrats in Church
4. Pastor calls autism demonic
5. 2-Year-Old Girl Dies After Faith-Healing Parents Refuse Medical Treatment: Officials
6. Video shows [Sarah] Palin in anti-witchcraft prayer
7. 17 Reasons Why Evolution is a Lie
8. The 10 Best Evidences from Science That Confirm a Young Earth
9. My Flat Earth: Why I Believe God's Creation (Biblical Cosmology)
10. Does the Bible Teach That the Earth Is Flat?
11. Predicted dates of the Second Coming of Jesus through history
12. Catholic Church sexual abuse cases by country
13. Jesus is their savior, Trump is their candidate. Ex-presidents backers say he shares faith, values
14. Why Evangelicals Went All In on Trump, Again
15. The Republican Party Is Coming for Birth Control
16. Letting them die: parents refuse medical help for children in the name of Christ
17. Some religious leaders oppose IVF, causing tension among churchgoers struggling with infertility
18. Witch Trials & Witchcraft
19. We Must Extinguish Faith-Based Violence, Xenophobia by Tackling Hate Speech, Protecting Religious Sites, Secretary-General Tells Interfaith Summit
20. Evangelicals Are Now Rejecting 'Liberal' Teachings of Jesus
21. Another look at religious objections to obstetric anaesthesia
22. Fundamentalists are not as "intelligent"
23. A Blasphemous InventionReligious Objections to Ben Franklins Lightning Rod
24. What are Christian arguments against the use of anesthesia?
25. Christian Nationalism: A grave threat to America
26. Christian Nationalism Is Single Biggest Threat to Americas Religious Freedom
27. The Radical Evangelicals Who Helped Push Jan. 6 to Wage War on Demonic Influence
28. Federally Funded Abstinence-Only Programs: Harmful and Ineffective
29. Militant Christian Nationalists Remain A Potent Force, Even After The Capitol Riot
30. Well, We Have a Speaker. Hes an Election Denier and an Extreme Christian Fundamentalist.
31. When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
32. Is Fascism Coming to America? | Opinion
33. Trump repeats baseless claim about Haitian immigrants eating pets
34. Republicans Declare Banning Universal Free School Meals a 2024 Priority
35. 14 GOP-led states have turned down federal money to feed low-income kids in the summer. Heres why
36. Christianity and Xenophobia
37. No, Christians Cannot Support the Democrat Party
38. Could My Child Have a Demon? (Part I)
39. After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'satanic panic' case
40. Christian Pastor Calls for Killing All Gay People
41. Is 'Thank God for dead soldiers' protected speech?
42. Homophobic pastor says LGBT+ people should be killed: As much as God loves, God hates
43. 45% of Americans Say U.S. Should Be a Christian Nation
44. Pope Reaffirms 'No Salvation' Outside Catholic 'Church'
45. Roman Catholicism Is Not Christianity
46. IS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH THE ONE TRUE CHURCH?
47. The Pro-Slavery History of the Southern Baptists
48. Racism among white Christians is higher than among the nonreligious. That's no coincidence.
49. Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion--several of them.
50. Becoming Catholic #22: What Did the Ancient Church Believe? The Catholic Church is the One True Church
51. About four-in-ten U.S. adults believe humanity is living in the end times
52. Watch a US Senator Cite the Bible to Prove That Humans Arent Causing Global Warming
53. There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been.
54. President Trump: 'I am the chosen one'
55. Opinion: How a misreading of the Bible fuels many Americans apathy about climate change
56. Fascism in America: Its Happening Here, According to Professor's New Book
57. So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence.
Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly.
Comments (44)
Smug, arrogant crap. Makes me want to vote for Trump just to piss you off.
Art48 may be being purposely provocative with elitist bias using those words you outlined and throughout this OP's opening salvo. But that there is a concern, regarding the views of fellow voters being the results of this type of thinking, held by many other voters is a valid issue. Not only is this an issue in the US context, but also amongst voters in geopolitically allied/ aligned nations where this religious thinking is gaining traction. That it ( this type of religious thinking) appeals to some who will possibly, if organized correctly, noticeably influence or transform the outcomes of democratic elections in other nations as it may in the US, is not to be taken lightly, as history shows.
Agreed not all, of this religious persuasion, can realistically be written off as "the most uneducated... among(st) us". But given the nature of geography based ( i.e. electoral boundaries) democracy and the electoral college voters system of US presidential elections, the great example of democratic nationhood that the US espouses to be and wants to encourage in the world may not be very appealing to the growing better educated world citizens.
There is no argument intended that this is the only issue of concern nor that changes in technologies haven't amplified these types of concerns to possibly have world wide ramifications.
The above is not intended to denigrate your reaction, but merely to offer a different reaction, or opinion, if you will.
concerned for one's personal future smile
Stop imagining that there are these two kinds of people; the patient thinkers like you, and the others, infected by religion. That is itself the root of fanaticism. The godless are also capable of horrors and especially in the name of rationality. It is the certainty of righteousness that always justifies human horrors, and everyone is capable of them.
This thread is basically focused on American folks. Some things, such as Christian nationalists don't exist here and religion split apart from politics a way ago...
I do not think finger pointing and blaming gets anyone anywhere good very quickly (the opposite usually).
There is of course the question of the limitations of toleration. Where to draw the line if at all?
Just taking your first point, you give no attribution for the quote, which is a form of plagiarism, and you don't mention the fact that Roseanne Barr is also a comedian, one of whose jobs is to mock the silliness and stupidity of society.
Nice troll bait. I'll play.
There are plenty of anti-science types on the left. Look at the woo community, the astrologists, spiritualists, believers in crystals, etc. Mostly leftists. Marianne Williamson is a Democrat.
And you know you can't get elected to high office in the US without professing belief in God and at least showing up in church from time to time. Obama survived his Reverend Wright scandal ("God damn America!") but he'd never have gotten elected if he was a proud atheist. He may have gone to an America-hating church, but at least he went to church.
Then there's the Reverend Martin Luther King, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, the Reverend Al Sharpton (an MSNBC host), etc. You'll find as much Christian godliness among liberal American blacks as you will among conservative Evangelical whites. Could you possibly be unaware of that?
Quoting Art48
A goodly percentage of those are black liberal Democrats. You are misinformed if you think religiosity in America is confined to white conservatives.
Anti-science on the left. Before covid, the anti-vaxxers were upscale liberals in places like Marin county, north of San Francisco. This was commonly known and reported on at the time.
From 2015: "... the anti-vaccination movement is fueled by an over-privileged group of rich people grouped together who swear they won't put any chemicals in their kids (food or vaccines or whatever else), either because it's trendy to be all-natural or they don't understand or accept the science of vaccinations. "
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/22/vaccine-deniers-stick-together-and-now-theyre-ruining-things-for-everyone/
From 2017: "Because the outbreak started in the wealthy, liberal enclave of Marin County, California, and because some of the best-known anti-vaxxers are Hollywood actors, some right-leaning media outlets connected opposition to vaccination to liberals and related it to other anti-science beliefs like fear of GMOs, use of alternative medicine, and even astrology. "
https://theconversation.com/anti-vaccination-beliefs-dont-follow-the-usual-political-polarization-81001
Quoting Art48
You'd more likely hear that from a leftist. At least ten or fifteen years ago, before the left embraced the national security state.
In any event, the First Amendment gives everyone the right to say that. Are you making an anti- free speech argument? I didn't follow your point. Of course it's protected speech. The US has extremely strong protections for free speech.
Quoting Art48
Witch trials? Have you got a link to such an event in the US recently? I can't recall such an incident.
As for witchcraft itself, it's almost completely a leftist pursuit. I'm sure you know that.
Witchcraft is the perfect religion for liberal millennials
You know if you come upon a group of people dancing naked in the woods reciting pagan incantations, they're almost certainly on the political left. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I mention that endnotes are in the Word version. Barr was quite serious; watch the video.
Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSSpCsj248Y
There's no context to the video. Who are "they"?
In the context of being a comedian, Barr also said in 10 Feb 2023:
Is Barr being serious, or using exaggeration to make a point? Exaggeration, hyperbole, metaphor, simile and figures of speech are important aspects of language, and understood for what they are within context.
As regards drinking human blood, there is a BBC article The people who drink human blood which writes
[quote]In most major cities around the world, communities of ordinary people nurses, bar staff, secretaries are drinking human blood on a regular basis. The question is, why?
In the French quarter of New Orleans, John Edgar Browning is about to take part in a "feeding". It begins as clinically as a medical procedure. His acquaintance first swabs a small patch on Brownings upper back with alcohol. He then punctures it with a disposable hobby scalpel, and squeezes until the blood starts flowing. Lowering his lips to the wound, Browning's associate now starts lapping up the wine-dark liquid. He drank it a few times, then cleaned and bandaged me, Browning says today.
There are thousands of people drinking blood in the US alone.[quote]
[hide="Reveal"]Quoting Art48
It's not a coloring book. Solomon's wisdom is put on display many times, to name one example. I'm sure a child's version says in big goofy letters "And this is a good thing, see, king smart" for the tragically incompetent.[/hide]
Agreed. I've moved this to the Lounge due to lack of substantial philosophical content. It seems like just a list of headlines of people saying silly things, although one where the selection shows no little amount of sectarian bias as well.
Honestly, it strikes me like exactly the sort of thing I see on Q Anon sites, except that there the selection would simply target a different group of people.
Not a joke, although it would take more than this obnoxious OP to make me vote for Mr. Trump. Im pleased to see its been moved to the garbage dump in the lounge.
Your response is certainly more reasonable than mine.
I'm puzzled. If it's "exactly the sort or thing I see on OAnon sites" then do you believe one of the two following choices?
1. The OP's items are factual but so are QAnon posts so the two are similar.
2. The OP's items are as false as QANon posts so the two are similar.
If 1., I've nothing more to say to you.
If 2., what are the numbers of the items in the OP you consider as unfactual as QAnon posts?
I'd answer what offended him is "The truth"
https://www.reddit.com/r/Trumpvirus/comments/1frbs2g/comment/lpbox89/?context=3
Right on. I think the closest we get to it is when J tells his followers to be as cunning as snakes and as innocent as doves. But don't forget that the Kingdom of Heaven is for little children.
The gospels are a fair bit anti-intellectual and this is one of the aspects that makes the gospels so radical. And by "radical" I mean it really straddles the line between brilliancy and absurdity.
Unless you change and become like a little child you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
What question did you ask me?
I speak here only of the gospels - not the entire New Testament, and certainly not the Tanakh which is a different work that existed before Jesus & the Church.
But yes, my assertion comes from a perspective and that perspective has a cultural background.
I dont doubt your sincerity. I wasnt offended, I was angered by the mean spirited and ignorant characterization of the people he disagrees with.
You misunderstand me.
I am not concerned with the miracles. I am not concerned the resurrection. I am not concerned with the "science" of the New Testament.
Here I am concerned only with things that Jesus purportedly taught. And there are certain common themes expounded on throughout the gospels e.g. faithfulness, simplicity, forgiveness, love. The OP is right that Jesus never really praises intellect. Plenty of wisdom literature exists at this time that does praise wisdom. Just an interesting feature of Jesus's worldview.
To be fair, I wouldn't exactly call it a word-for-word account of every single interaction. Not a nauseatingly thorough documentary or anything.
I can think of a few scenarios off the top of my head. Better yet just go to biblehub and search (with quotations) "wise man" or the word "fool" and I'm sure you'll have an abundance of quotes that would suggest the opposite. That is to say, it certainly speaks of the dangers of stupidity (or qualities related to such: rashness, poor judgement, impulsivity, poor planning, etc.), thus praising intellect by proxy. No?
I dont go to church and I havent for many years, but I dont remember ever being angered by something I heard there.
You can cite from Proverbs all you want but that was written many centuries before Jesus was born. As I said, there is a vast wisdom literature that exists before, during and after the time of Jesus.
Quoting Outlander
Sure we don't have everything he said. Yet Jesus exalts the child, faithfulness, simplicity, and love; one must become like a child to enter the kingdom of heaven. It would also seem to cut against the grain of his message if he were to exalt the intellect.
Quoting T Clark
Hey don't be like that. Makes me want to piss you off as well. ;) Anyway, what about the truth of the matter? Isn't that more important than pissing each other off?
Yes Christianity has a dark side. All religion has a dark side. As does secularism. Every worldview has potential pitfalls. Christianity gets a lot of hate because it's popular in the West and it's an easy target, but there are more insidious ideologies out there that can taken hold of a mind.
When I see a diatribe like this I speculate why its author is so vehement. Why does your website on your bio page list www.adamford.com, a site Google warns against as a scam, or, when going to adamford.com, is a car dealership device?
It's true that backwoods churches overreach at times, but I grew up in the Southern Baptist tradition, going to large, big city churches in which the sermons were at times quite sophisticated. The congregations were largely professionals who would have scoffed at the examples you cite. In the academic environment in which I worked a number of colleagues were Christians and attended church.
Obviously, you have an emotional involvement in this issue. But I don't see it as a modern philosophical topic. But that's just me. Others here may differ.
A good response. Even-tempered and respectful.
It works fine for me. Does anyone else on this thread see a problem? If so, I'd like to know.
Quoting jgill
My emotional involvement is because the Bible tells enormous lies about God.
The validity of Christianity was once a philosophical topic. Are you saying it's been excluded from modern philosophy?
In what ways is the Bible wrong about God's nature and how do you know this? Has God communicated revelation to you?
When it searches for Adamford.com it goes to your site, but on and off for adamford.com - as you have listed it - it goes to car dealerships. And Google stopped me twice when I wrote www.adamford.com. Then not. Peculiar. Nice site you have though.
Quoting Art48
How can you be so certain?
Quoting Art48
True. Long ago. It should be excluded. My opinion.
Thanks! I've verified the problem with www.adamford.com and will look into it. I just moved adamford.com to a new hosting service a few days ago.
Quoting jgill
I'm not "so certain." That's what I believe based on evidence, but I could be wrong. Can you say the same?
P.S. I came back to change "excluded from modern philosophy" to "modern philosophy has lost interest".