Question about deletion of a discussion

T Clark October 06, 2024 at 16:20 3050 views 15 comments
A question, not a criticism.

I see that the "Nuclear crisis – 2024 and the strategy of a nuclear war" discussion has been deleted. Although it expressed some unpleasant, unpopular, and unrealistic ideas, I didn't think it went beyond what is usually allowed on the forum. I agree it certainly didn't belong on the front page.

Comments (15)

T Clark October 06, 2024 at 16:51 #937160
And since I've started a feedback thread - It bothers me when moderators attack posters and threaten punishment in the main forum rather than through the standard moderation process, i.e. in private. It doesn't happen often but several different moderators have done it. One consequence is that it can sometimes be hard to figure out whether someone is speaking as a moderator or just a forum member.
SophistiCat October 06, 2024 at 18:15 #937177
Reply to T Clark Well, it was stupid to begin with, and then Tarsky (aka @alcontali, I believe) took it to the next level.
fdrake October 06, 2024 at 18:24 #937180
I deleted it because unexplained Starcraft analogies are not a sound basis for geopolitical discussion.
fdrake October 06, 2024 at 18:28 #937184
T Clark October 06, 2024 at 20:34 #937208
Quoting SophistiCat
Tarsky (aka alcontali, I believe) took it to the next level.


Hatred for the US is pretty common here on the forum.
kazan October 07, 2024 at 07:23 #937342
@T Clark,
Agreed.
It would be welcome if the arguments were cutting, but the tone respectful. Most people have little choice as to where they live/are born. It is their ignorance that can be changed by themselves if they so desire....well in most of the "free world" anyway, however you choose to understand "free world" and the level of one's own ignorance. Nothing more than an opinion.
empathetic smile
T Clark October 07, 2024 at 15:56 #937455
Hey @Baden and @fdrake”, I find @Carlo Roosen"’s posts and discussions interesting and worthwhile.
BC October 07, 2024 at 17:58 #937485
Reply to T Clark Perhaps "Nuclear crisis – 2024 and the strategy of a nuclear war" was not the greatest OP, but, given the existential threat even limited nuclear war poses, it was worthwhile enough.

The fact that we are still here, given that we have long been on the brink of a terminal event, is remarkable but not comforting. The several nuclear powers are maintaining/upgrading the bomb components and delivery systems. The Doomsday Clock of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists is still close to midnight.

Nuclear war is a perennially philosophically relevant topic, given that it would delete The Philosophy Forum together with its moderators and contributors with unappealable finality.
T Clark October 07, 2024 at 20:25 #937565
Quoting BC
"Nuclear crisis – 2024 and the strategy of a nuclear war" was not the greatest OP,


Agreed, but it wasn't beyond the pale here on the forum.

Quoting Wiktionary
Beyond the pale - Of a person or their behaviour: outside the bounds of what is acceptable, or regarded as good judgment, morality, ethics, etc.

From beyond + the + pale (“wooden stake, picket; fence made from wooden stakes, palisade; bounds, limits; territory or defensive area within a specific boundary or under a given jurisdiction”), suggesting that anything outside an authority’s jurisdiction is uncivilized.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, there is insufficient evidence that the term originally referred to the English Pale, the part of Ireland directly under the control of the English government in the Late Middle Ages; or to the Pale of Settlement (Russian: ?????? ?????????? (?ertá osédlosti)) which existed from 1791 to 1917 in the Russian Empire, where Jewish people were mostly relegated to living. The first attestation of this English translation of the Russian in the OED is 1890.
fdrake October 07, 2024 at 20:50 #937583
Quoting T Clark
Agreed, but it wasn't beyond the pale here on the forum.


There has to be a line. This was across it.
BC October 07, 2024 at 22:54 #937633
Reply to fdrake Drawing lines isn't the point; it's placing the line so that potentially useful discussions are not casually discarded by moderators whose judgement is fallible, and may be under the influence of severe hemorrhoidal itching.

The moderators have proven ability to head stupid threads off at the pass, so you can afford to be generous.
fdrake October 07, 2024 at 22:56 #937634
Reply to BC

Can I borrow your Anusol please?
Janus October 07, 2024 at 22:56 #937635
Quoting BC
severe hemorrhoidal itching.


Sounds nasty. I hope never to experience it.
BC October 07, 2024 at 23:09 #937641
Reply to fdrake I never needed it. Try a sitz bath.

Quoting T Clark
Beyond the pale


"The Pale of Settlement included all of modern-day Belarus and Moldova, much of Lithuania, Ukraine and east-central Poland, and relatively small parts of Latvia and what is now the western Russian Federation.

I thought the Pale was ancient, but its institution was 1791, and it lasted until 1917. Under Tsar Nicholas I, the Pale shrank but became more restrictive--like it was not already severe enough.

fdrake October 07, 2024 at 23:12 #937644
The relevance of this discussion to anything but piles and pales has concluded. I will close the thread.