Why Religion Exists

ContextThinker November 02, 2024 at 16:38 4950 views 49 comments
This is my theory on why Religion exists. Any comments and deliberations are greatly appreciated

The Evolutionary Coping Mechanism Theory: A Comprehensive Perspective on Religious and Scientific Development

The human experience is inherently marked by existential queries. Our species has grappled with the mysteries of life, death, and the unknown since the dawn of time. In seeking answers, we've developed complex belief systems – religion and science. But what drives this development? This essay proposes the Evolutionary Coping Mechanism Theory, suggesting that intelligent species create religion and science as adaptive responses to existential threats and uncertainties.

At its core, the Evolutionary Coping Mechanism Theory posits that as cognitive abilities increase, so does awareness of mortality and uncertainty. This heightened awareness triggers existential anxiety, prompting species to develop coping mechanisms. Religion and science emerge as two primary responses, evolving through cognitive, social, environmental, and cultural interactions.

Cognitive development plays a crucial role in this process. As species' cognitive abilities advance, they become increasingly aware of their own mortality and the uncertainty surrounding their existence. This awareness sparks existential anxiety, driving the development of coping mechanisms. Social learning theory supports this notion, suggesting that individuals learn behaviors and beliefs through observation and interaction with others (Bandura, 1977).

Religion, in this context, serves as an initial coping mechanism. It provides meaning, purpose, and reassurance in the face of uncertainty. Terror Management Theory (Greenberg et al., 1997) substantiates this claim, demonstrating that religion mitigates existential anxiety by offering a sense of control and significance. Religious beliefs and practices provide a framework for understanding the world, alleviating fears and anxieties associated with mortality.

However, as cognitive abilities continue to advance, science emerges as a complementary coping mechanism. Science provides an alternative framework for understanding the world, addressing existential questions through empirical evidence and rational inquiry. Cognitive dissonance theory explains how individuals reconcile conflicts between religious and scientific beliefs, often integrating or compartmentalizing these perspectives (Festinger, 1957). Scientific inquiry offers a methodical approach to understanding the world, reducing uncertainty and anxiety.

Environmental pressures and cultural transmission also influence the development of religion and science. Ecological factors, such as resource scarcity or natural disasters, can exacerbate existential anxiety, driving the evolution of coping mechanisms. Cultural transmission, in turn, shapes the expression and interpretation of these mechanisms, as seen in the diverse range of religious and scientific traditions across human societies (Geertz, 1973).

The Evolutionary Coping Mechanism Theory integrates insights from various disciplines, including social learning theory, evolutionary game theory, and cognitive dissonance theory. This framework acknowledges contextual and cultural contingencies, recognizing that religion and science are dynamic, adaptive systems. By considering the interplay between cognitive, social, environmental, and cultural factors, this theory provides a comprehensive understanding of the complex dynamics driving human belief systems.

Implications of this theory are far-reaching. It suggests that intelligent species, faced with existential threats, will inevitably develop coping mechanisms.

While this theory remains speculative, it offers a compelling perspective on the intertwined evolution of religion and science. I think further research should investigate correlations between intelligence, existential awareness, and religious/scientific development.

In conclusion, the Evolutionary Coping Mechanism Theory provides a nuanced understanding of the complex interplay between religion and science. By acknowledging the adaptive nature of these belief systems, we can better appreciate the shared human experience that underlies our quest for meaning and understanding.
Sources

Bandura, A. (1977). Social Learning Theory. Prentice Hall.

Festinger, L. (1957). A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance. Stanford University Press.

Geertz, C. (1973). The Interpretation of Cultures. Basic Books.

Greenberg, J., Solomon, S., & Pyszczynski, T. (1997). Terror Management Theory. Psychological Review, 104(2), 223-245.

Nowak, M. A., & Sigmund, K. (2004). Evolutionary Dynamics. Harvard University Press.

Comments (49)

Count Timothy von Icarus November 02, 2024 at 17:27 #943896
At its core, the Evolutionary Coping Mechanism Theory posits that as cognitive abilities increase, so does awareness of mortality and uncertainty. This heightened awareness triggers existential anxiety, prompting species to develop coping mechanisms. Religion and science emerge as two primary responses, evolving through cognitive, social, environmental, and cultural interactions.

Cognitive development plays a crucial role in this process. As species' cognitive abilities advance, they become increasingly aware of their own mortality and the uncertainty surrounding their existence. This awareness sparks existential anxiety, driving the development of coping mechanisms. Social learning theory supports this notion, suggesting that individuals learn behaviors and beliefs through observation and interaction with others (Bandura, 1977).

Religion, in this context, serves as an initial coping mechanism. It provides meaning, purpose, and reassurance in the face of uncertainty. Terror Management Theory (Greenberg et al., 1997) substantiates this claim, demonstrating that religion mitigates existential anxiety by offering a sense of control and significance. Religious beliefs and practices provide a framework for understanding the world, alleviating fears and anxieties associated with mortality.


Well, I see one problem here:

How does this explain, say, Calvinism where man has to be constantly worried about whether or not he is elect or destined to eternal damnation? Generally, in this religion, one has absolutely no ability to determine whether one will be saved or not, and one also knows that the overwhelming odds are that one is destined for eternal torment. There are also, traditionally, no ways to know for sure if one is truly elect.

Or how does it explain the many early religions in which the Gods are largely capricious and cruel? I am not sure how believing in an extremely powerful sky rapist who likes transforming into animals before committing his infamies is "reassuring."

I find this particularly unconvincing as respects "afterlife" beliefs because many ancient visions (and the dominant modern vision) of the afterlife seem significantly more unpleasant than just ceasing to exist.
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ContextThinker November 02, 2024 at 19:20 #943902
Existential anxiety, stemming from increased intelligence and self-awareness, drives the development of religious beliefs. Even seemingly harsh or capricious deities provide a sense of purpose and meaning, transcending instinctual survival. This reason to live, despite potential unpleasantness, surpasses mere existence. Religion addresses the evolutionary conundrum of intelligent life: finding significance beyond mere survival.
ContextThinker November 02, 2024 at 19:28 #943904
Quoting tim wood
And that understanding is?


.1. Existential anxiety: Intelligence fosters awareness of mortality, prompting questions about life's purpose.
2. Religious purpose: Beliefs provide meaning, even if uncomfortable, beyond instinctual survival.
3. Evolutionary adaptation: Religion helps intelligent species cope with existential concerns.
By providing a higher purpose, religion mitigates existential anxiety, encouraging individuals to live beyond mere existence.
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Wayfarer November 02, 2024 at 20:10 #943910
Reply to ContextThinker There have been various reductionist and biologically-based attempts to explain or rationalise religion in terms of evolution. Evolutionary adaption is said to account for everything about human existence. Notable was Daniel Dennett's 'Breaking the Spell' (the New York Times review of which caused a bit of uproar).

Notice that none of the references provided are actually about religion, presumably indicating the conviction that religions have no content other than providing imagined solace or comfort from existential dread. Presumably the question of whether they can be in any sense true is put to one side.

Quoting ContextThinker
Science provides an alternative framework for understanding the world, addressing existential questions through empirical evidence and rational inquiry.


Modern scientific method excludes from consideration factors that are not amenable to objective measurement and analysis. Science’s framework was intended to provide knowledge through observation, experimentation, and rational analysis, with an emphasis on objectivity and reproducibility. That framework has been hugely successful in advancing our understanding of physical and biological phenomena, but until recently, it has never really engaged directly with existential questions.

The quoted passage instead suggests the 'conflict thesis', which generally casts religion as an outdated or superseded cognitive mode especially when viewed against the background of scientific progress. According to this view, science and religion are fundamentally at odds: science is seen as the domain of rational, evidence-based inquiry, while religion is framed as an artifact of cognitive biases or a tool for coping with existential anxiety. The implication is often that religion has no genuine insights to offer about reality or the human condition and so can only be understood in Darwinian terms, never mind that it is primarily a biological theory about the evolution of species.

But the times they are a'changing. In recent years there’s been a notable shift, particularly with the intersection of disciplines like cognitive science, neuroscience, and contemplative science, which are beginning to engage with questions of consciousness, well-being, the nature of meaning, and genuine philosophical enquiry. People like John Vervaeke are at the forefront of this movement, questioning the traditional limits of scientific inquiry and suggesting that cognitive science, in particular, is poised to explore existential questions more rigorously, in so doing entering into dialogue with many religious and spiritual philosophers and practitioners.

References: Awakening from the Meaning Crisis, John Vervaeke (Video playlist).

Andrew Newberg and 'Neurotheology' (website)

Mind and Life Institute (website)

T Clark November 02, 2024 at 20:22 #943914
Welcome to the forum. Some thoughts.

Quoting ContextThinker
At its core, the Evolutionary Coping Mechanism Theory posits that as cognitive abilities increase, so does awareness of mortality and uncertainty. This heightened awareness triggers existential anxiety, prompting species to develop coping mechanisms. Religion and science emerge as two primary responses, evolving through cognitive, social, environmental, and cultural interactions.


The idea that religion and science are methods by which humans attempt to deal with fears of uncertainty and death is commonplace. How is what you've described different? It doesn't really seem like a theory at all - it's more of a platitude.

Quoting ContextThinker
Religion, in this context, serves as an initial coping mechanism... However, as cognitive abilities continue to advance, science emerges as a complementary coping mechanism.


As far as I can see, there is no reason to believe it takes more advanced cognitive abilities to develop and apply a scientific understanding than it does a religious one.

Quoting ContextThinker
Ecological factors, such as resource scarcity or natural disasters, can exacerbate existential anxiety, driving the evolution of coping mechanisms.


Are you saying that "existential anxiety" can drive the evolution of cognitive capabilities? That seems unlikely to me.

Quoting ContextThinker
It suggests that intelligent species, faced with existential threats, will inevitably develop coping mechanisms.


All biological organisms; plants, animals, fungus; faced with existential threats will inevitably develop coping mechanisms. That's what evolution by natural selection means.






180 Proof November 02, 2024 at 21:35 #943928
Quoting ContextThinker
Why Religion Exists ...

I think (your) "Evolutionary Coping Mechanism" overstates the case with an underdeveloped "theory". Consider the following old threads:

(2021) The why and origins of Religion ...
Quoting 180 Proof
Magical thinking. 'Making shit up' is far easier than struggling to find out what is and is not the case. The brains of h. sapiens are adapted for survival and not truths; therefore [ ... ]

(2022) Roots of religion ...
Quoting 180 Proof
We're natural beings. Paths of least resistance constitute the regularities – processes – of nature. Making shit up (versus figuring shit out) is a path of least cognitive resistance [ ... ]

ContextThinker November 02, 2024 at 22:58 #943955
Quoting tim wood
Your Evolutionary Coping Mechanism Theory (ECMT) seems to me a pretty reasonable account of some distinctive phenomena; you nail its weak heel here:


Thank you for recognizing the potential of this theory. My goal is not to oversimplify the complexities of human belief systems, but rather to explore the profound and enduring presence of religiosity across human cultures. I seek to understand the underlying drivers of this phenomenon and uncover whether an evolutionary perspective can shed light on the diverse belief systems that have emerged throughout our species' history."
ContextThinker November 02, 2024 at 23:10 #943961
Quoting Wayfarer
The quoted passage instead suggests the 'conflict thesis', which generally casts religion as an outdated or superseded cognitive mode especially when viewed against the background of scientific progress. According to this view, science and religion are fundamentally at odds: science is seen as the domain of rational, evidence-based inquiry, while religion is framed as an artifact of cognitive biases or a tool for coping with existential anxiety. The implication is often that religion has no genuine insights to offer about reality or the human condition and so can only be understood in Darwinian terms, never mind that it is primarily a biological theory about the evolution of species.



While it's true that modern scientific method emphasizes objective measurement and analysis, this doesn't necessitate excluding non-empirical aspects of human experience. ECMT doesn't dismiss the value of religion itself but rather seeks to integrate insights from cognitive science, neuroscience, and contemplative science to understand religiosity's persistence.

The conflict thesis oversimplifies the complex relationship between science and religion. ECMT acknowledges that science provides a superior framework for understanding physical and biological phenomena but argues that religiosity serves distinct purposes, addressing existential concerns and promoting social cohesion.

ECMT posits that religiosity evolved to mitigate existential anxiety, foster cooperation, and provide meaning – functions that aren't necessarily incompatible with scientific inquiry.

ContextThinker November 02, 2024 at 23:13 #943963
Quoting T Clark
The idea that religion and science are methods by which humans attempt to deal with fears of uncertainty and death is commonplace. How is what you've described different? It doesn't really seem like a theory at all - it's more of a platitude.



While it's true that the idea of religion and science as coping mechanisms for existential anxiety is not new, the Evolutionary Coping Mechanism Theory (ECMT) provides a distinct, empirically grounded framework for understanding their emergence and interplay.

ECMT differs from previous notions by integrating insights from cognitive science, neuroscience, and evolutionary biology to explain the adaptive functions of religiosity and scientific inquiry. It's not merely a platitude, but a testable theory that predicts specific patterns of cultural and cognitive evolution.

Regarding cognitive abilities, ECMT doesn't suggest that science requires more advanced cognition than religion. Instead, it proposes that as cognitive abilities increase, so does the complexity and nuance of coping mechanisms. Science and religion serve complementary functions, addressing different aspects of existential anxiety.

ECMT acknowledges ecological factors, such as resource scarcity and natural disasters, as exacerbating existential anxiety. However, it also highlights the role of cognitive and social factors in shaping coping mechanisms.

Lastly, ECMT doesn't imply that existential anxiety drives the evolution of cognitive capabilities. Rather, it suggests that existential anxiety is a selective pressure that influences the development of coping mechanisms within existing cognitive frameworks.

Your observation that all biological organisms develop coping mechanisms in response to existential threats is correct. ECMT builds upon this fundamental principle, providing a detailed explanation for the emergence of complex, culturally-mediated coping mechanisms in humans.
Tom Storm November 02, 2024 at 23:26 #943968
Quoting Count Timothy von Icarus
How does this explain, say, Calvinism where man has to be constantly worried about whether or not he is elect or destined to eternal damnation? Generally, in this religion, one has absolutely no ability to determine whether one will be saved or not, and one also knows that the overwhelming odds are that one is destined for eternal torment. There are also, traditionally, no ways to know for sure if one is truly elect.

Or how does it explain the many early religions in which the Gods are largely capricious and cruel? I am not sure how believing in an extremely powerful sky rapist who likes transforming into animals before committing his infamies is "reassuring."


You raise salient points. Although I don’t fully accept the original post, it could be argued that humans have an innate desire to understand and create a framework for supernatural realities—even if those frameworks are harsh. This need can provide reassurance by offering a way to make sense of our experiences and establish guiding principles for navigating the world. If our deities are perceived as cruel and unpredictable, might that not reflect the inherent harshness and unpredictability of nature itself? Our dream life doesn't have to be all sweetness and light for us to find reassurance, purpose, and a sense of predictability in the world.
BitconnectCarlos November 02, 2024 at 23:39 #943975
Quoting ContextThinker
Scientific inquiry offers a methodical approach to understanding the world, reducing uncertainty and anxiety.


How exactly does science quell existential anxiety?

Quoting ContextThinker
Science provides an alternative framework for understanding the world, addressing existential questions through empirical evidence and rational inquiry.


The biggest existential question is probably "what happens after death?" which science does not and cannot claim as its territory -- the most it can do is describe the decomposition process of the body. Science explains the physical. When it comes to matters of the soul or the afterlife or eschatology science is silent. Science does not provide an "alternative framework" it simply zeroes in on the physical domain and seeks to explain it to a T.

Man is just as in the dark concerning these existential questions as they've ever been. How has science shed any light on this? You can go back to ancient literature thousands of years old and they opine about the same essential questions: Why not just live life to maximize enjoyment given how fleeting it is? Please, let me know how science assuages this existential anxiety.
Janus November 02, 2024 at 23:46 #943978
Quoting ContextThinker
This essay proposes the Evolutionary Coping Mechanism Theory, suggesting that intelligent species create religion and science as adaptive responses to existential threats and uncertainties.


So species which do not create religion and science cannot be intelligent? I would agree with you if you had said instead "intelligent species which are capable of symbolic language". A creature no matter how intelligent could not create religion or science without first possessing symbolic language.

Reply to Tom Storm :up:
frank November 02, 2024 at 23:52 #943983
Reply to ContextThinker
Yes, religion is the 'opium of the people.'. An anesthetic can support functionality when times are tough. I think that's one reason for the endurance of some religions. Religions serve other purposes as well.
Wayfarer November 03, 2024 at 00:51 #943994
Quoting ContextThinker
ECMT posits that religiosity evolved to mitigate existential anxiety, foster cooperation, and provide meaning – functions that aren't necessarily incompatible with scientific inquiry.
2h


Agree, but does it acknowledge that religions might make valid truth claims?
Moliere November 03, 2024 at 00:59 #943995
Quoting ContextThinker
Implications of this theory are far-reaching. It suggests that intelligent species, faced with existential threats, will inevitably develop coping mechanisms.


I want to attack the notion that this idea is an evolutionary adaptation.

All species develop coping mechanisms, from viruses to us. Some of the species die in the process of natural selection and thems who chose the environmentally-conditioned adaptations which effect reproduction positively for the species are thems who developed the coping mechanisms that passed on.

But evolution has nothing to do with religion, in my opinion. Once we acquired the ability to speak language -- well, I think that's more in the ballpark of why religion exists. But it's pretty hazy since it's not like any of us were there at the dawn of talking/writing.
Wayfarer November 03, 2024 at 01:23 #944000
Gnomon November 03, 2024 at 01:28 #944003
Quoting ContextThinker
This essay proposes the Evolutionary Coping Mechanism Theory, suggesting that intelligent species create religion and science as adaptive responses to existential threats and uncertainties.

A somewhat different perspective might postulate that truly "Intelligent species" cope with evolutionary pressures by finding practical solutions, not by "making sh*t up" as one poster put it. From the beginning of complex societies, Religion was been intertwined with Politics and Science. For example, the Pagan Nature Gods were typically metaphorical attempts to understand the vagaries of weather & climate & human interactions. They were early "theories" of how the world works. And "adaptive responses", if you will.

Since Nature seemed to be pretty well organized, a king-like god was proposed to mandate the laws of nature that make things work smoothly and predictably. For thousands of years, in most cultures, their religion has provided a pragmatic basis for political and technological problems . . . not perfect, but workable. Also, the human subjects of tyrannical kings probably feared their flesh & blood rulers more than the imaginary deities. Relatively primitive people built artificial mountains (pyramids), not by the magic powers of priests (or aliens), but by learning how gravity works.

Around 500BC though, the Greeks began to express Nature's regularities as more abstract and less anthro-morphic principles : Logos instead of Zeus, First Cause instead of Fates. These principles appealed more to Reason than to Emotion. Our modern Science has continued that trend away from anthro-metaphors toward pure abstractions like intangible Energy, which is said to transform magically into Matter. In fact the current fundamental reality, replacing Atomism, is the notion of a purely mathematical Quantum Field. That imaginary expanse is a metaphorical reference to a field of wheat with a stalk of grain at each point.

So, we continue to refine our labels and metaphors to enhance our artificial power over the natural powers-that-be. Admittedly, some of our scientific metaphors, such as Aether --- which served as an early account of what we now call the Electrical Field --- simply exchange one metaphor for another. Even our modern democratic/oligarchic Politics has a prominent role for a god-like ruler who promises to Make Reality Great Again. Pragmatic voters will choose the propaganda image that seems to provide practical benefits (answers to prayers, such as keeping demonic immigrants at bay), in the here & now, not in some remote life-after-life. If that "adaptation" doesn't work, we can try again in four years. :smile:
T Clark November 03, 2024 at 01:42 #944007
Quoting ContextThinker
It's not merely a platitude, but a testable theory that predicts specific patterns of cultural and cognitive evolution.


Your OP (original post) and subsequent posts provide almost no specific information. They include a vague and undetailed description of the elements of your ECMT and it's supporting information. You claim it is testable and makes specific predictions but you don't describe any specific hypotheses or how they might be tested.

Quoting ContextThinker
ECMT acknowledges ecological factors, such as resource scarcity and natural disasters, as exacerbating existential anxiety. However, it also highlights the role of cognitive and social factors in shaping coping mechanisms.


Again, no detail is provided. "Acknowledgment" and "highlighting" do not constitute evidence or methods of testing.

Quoting ContextThinker
Lastly, ECMT doesn't imply that existential anxiety drives the evolution of cognitive capabilities. Rather, it suggests that existential anxiety is a selective pressure that influences the development of coping mechanisms within existing cognitive frameworks.


"Selective pressure" is a technical term for factors that drive evolution by influencing differential reproductive success and survival of populations.

Quoting ContextThinker
ECMT builds upon this fundamental principle, providing a detailed explanation for the emergence of complex, culturally-mediated coping mechanisms in humans.


Again, you have provided almost no detail.
Count Timothy von Icarus November 03, 2024 at 02:41 #944018
Reply to Tom Storm

Yes, I did think of that, and I agree with you that it might be plausible in some contexts. Animism is the norm both in early cultures and early childhood, e.g. "the river floods because it wants to." And there is a clear path from this to positing supernatural entities.

But the idea that this is an "adaptive coping mechanism," then makes no sense in terms of some later religious developments, because they make the world both terrifying and unintelligible, the result of an unfathomable God who is beyond all human notions of good and evil, totally obscured by total equivocity. In these extreme voluntarist theological contexts God has also revealed that God intends to consign most of humanity to eternal torment, saving a small remnant, based on "His own good pleasure," for reasons "beyond human comprehension." And to top it all off, God has predestined everything, including our own acts and thoughts, according to his unfathomable will, which is, as mentioned, beyond all human comprehension (save miraculous illumination).

This is not only not reassuring, it makes man entirely helpless, and it makes all of reality bottom out in the completely unintelligible and unfathomable. Through the obsession with divine sovereignty, all of existence becomes a pantheistic expression of the divine will, which is itself beyond comprehension.

It seems to me like the opposite of a coping mechanism. "Nightmare fuel," would be a better term.

But my understanding of ancient Near Eastern afterlives is that they are not necessarily all that much better. If you're a slave in this life you go on to be a slave for eternity. I suppose this explains the purpose of one's life at least, to be a slave (whereas in the aforementioned theology God's reasons for making man are inscrutable).
Count Timothy von Icarus November 03, 2024 at 03:08 #944023
Reply to Wayfarer

I suppose one way to "cope" with a lack of meaning could be to actually uncover to true meaning of life, how to "be a good person," or "life a good life," etc. :grin:

I think most active religions would readily acknowledge that people often come to them precisely because they are suffering from lack of meaning, existential angst, moral anguish, or just plain suffering, so there is agreement on this point. But I think they might object to "cope" as the term.
Wayfarer November 03, 2024 at 04:25 #944032
Quoting Count Timothy von Icarus
I suppose one way to "cope" with a lack of meaning could be to actually uncover to true meaning of life, how to "be a good person," or "life a good life," etc. :grin:


Yeah I had the idea philosophy had something to do with that. Evolutionary biology, maybe not so much.
I like sushi November 03, 2024 at 04:38 #944034
Reply to ContextThinker For starters, just because the Western traditions are obsessed with an existential threat (death) it does not mean other traditions are. They are not. The Japanese and Chinese cultures had to invent a term to refer to the Abrahamic traditions because they had no equivalent word for "religion" - this was in the latter part of the 19th Century.

When faced with existential threats our sense of individuality is brought into sharp focus usually because unconscious mechanism begin to rise into conscious awareness in a rather unfiltered manner (eg. NDEs and other general ASCs).
Tom Storm November 03, 2024 at 05:42 #944038
Quoting Count Timothy von Icarus
But the idea that this is an "adaptive coping mechanism," then makes no sense in terms of some later religious developments, because they make the world both terrifying and unintelligible, the result of an unfathomable God who is beyond all human notions of good and evil, totally obscured by total equivocity.


Not entirely sure why you've ended up here or which god you are thinking of but I wouldn't arrive at this conclusion. A god may be irascible or capricious and above human comprehension, but simply knowing this is the case and having an identity for this god, a knowledge of its presence and some imperfect rituals to assist us in pleasing such a god, as best we can, is surely enough?

Quoting Count Timothy von Icarus
This is not only not reassuring, it makes man entirely helpless, and it makes all of reality bottom out in the completely unintelligible and unfathomable. Through the obsession with divine sovereignty, all of existence becomes a pantheistic expression of the divine will, which is itself beyond comprehension.


Which god/s are you thinking of that work like this?
I like sushi November 03, 2024 at 05:46 #944039
Quoting ContextThinker
Scientific inquiry offers a methodical approach to understanding the world, reducing uncertainty and anxiety.


Understanding can undermine meaning. Lack of meaning can cause anxiety.
I like sushi November 03, 2024 at 05:48 #944040
Reply to ContextThinker You therefore believe in the axial revolution as coming about due to cognitive development? If yes, why? If not, why not?
BitconnectCarlos November 03, 2024 at 05:54 #944041
Reply to Tom Storm

He's talking about Calvinism, a religious movement which turns God into a total psychopath.
Tom Storm November 03, 2024 at 06:00 #944042
Quoting BitconnectCarlos
He's talking about Calvinism, a religious movement which turns God into a total psychopath.


Know it well, it's the religion of my father's family. But execrable gods are a dime a dozen. I fail to see how this worldview doesn't provide people with purpose and explanatory power. No matter how horrendous the religion's tenets, people always find a way to integrate them into how they make sense of the world at large.

I like sushi November 03, 2024 at 06:03 #944043
Reply to 180 Proof This is a super simplistic view. All 'religions' stem from specific instances of alter states of consciousness. Experiences in these states are felt as being more real than what was previously regarded as reality.

It is from exposure to these experiences that all religions developed. The question of why religion exists now in its current state has clearly branched off into many areas. The fundamental features of all religions orbit these experiences though.

What they are and how they alter out perception of reality is a more important question for me personally. Although it is interesting looking into the various lines of inquiry into how religion has manifested in different environments and how it has adapted to social needs.

What we call 'religion' today has inevitably sprung forth for a variety of reasons including animism, memory, literacy, population explosion, etc.,. The list is almost unending. The very concept of God is of no real significance to some 'religions' whilst being at the heart of others (eg. Islam and Daoism/Taoism). Confucianism is also loosely defined as a 'religion' in modern parlance, yet God is irrelevant. Many traditions in Buddhism have no concern with Gods either.

Also, some cares more about 'souls' and other far less so. The same goes for a whole array of views surrounding religion, such as afterlife, rebirth, scripture, ancestors and connections to nature in general.

The only common feature I have found is in traditions that involve altered states of consciousness, initiation and mnemonics (lost mostly through the advent of literacy).
I like sushi November 03, 2024 at 06:08 #944044
Quoting ContextThinker
While this theory remains speculative, it offers a compelling perspective on the intertwined evolution of religion and science. I think further research should investigate correlations between intelligence, existential awareness, and religious/scientific development.


I think a helluva has already been looked into. Undoubtedly people will look to this or that idea to fortify their sense of reality. Modern religious traditions can offer this by steering away from cold hard facts that serve little to no purpose to those who care more about things like beauty or love. Science is useful.

You might be interested in reading a book called "In Gods We Trust: The Evolutionary Landscape of Religion," by Scott Atran. It offers a reasonable survey of many common ideas put forward about how religion has developed.
Wayfarer November 03, 2024 at 06:30 #944047
Quoting Tom Storm
This is not only not reassuring, it makes man entirely helpless, and it makes all of reality bottom out in the completely unintelligible and unfathomable.


Sounds like Calvinism to me.
Tom Storm November 03, 2024 at 06:51 #944052
Quoting Wayfarer
Sounds like Calvinism to me.


Could be. But knowing Calvinists, it's hard to argue that they don't derive succour and meaning and purpose from their beliefs.
Wayfarer November 03, 2024 at 06:59 #944053
Reply to Tom Storm It was a flippant line, poor form on my part considering the topic. Although there is some factual basis, it’s not coincidental that Calvin has been parodied as ‘The Ayatollah of Geneva’. That book I often mention (Tim Wood also mentions it upthread) Theological Origins of Modernity by M A Gillespie lays out a superb case of the watershed in intellectual history, when Ockham’s nominalism, and theological voluntarism, displaced scholastic realism at the centre of Western thought. From a reader review:

Gillespie turns the conventional reading of the Enlightenment (as reason overcoming religion) on its head by explaining how the humanism of Petrarch, the free-will debate between Luther and Erasmus, the scientific forays of Francis Bacon, the epistemological debate between Descartes and Hobbes, were all motivated by an underlying wrestling with the questions posed by nominalism, which according to Gillespie dismantled the rational God and Cosmos of medieval scholasticism and introduced (by way of the Franciscans) a fideistic God-of-pure-will, born out of a concern that anything less than such would jeopardize His divine omnipotence. (In other words, a God not bound to observe logic and no respecter of reason.)

Subsequent intellectual history is, in Gillespie's reading, a grappling with the question of free will and divine determinism. Protestantism involved at its core fideistic, denying free will will in order to preserve God's absolute power. However, this in turn culminated in an ambivalence about salvation. If God simply wills whom to save, human action has no real merit (ex. Luther's "sin boldly"). Gillespie's chapter on the debate between Erasmus-Luther was among the most interesting in bringing this out.
Also fascinating is Gillespie's detailed analysis of Rene Descartes and Thomas Hobbes. The latter is usually depicted as an atheist (or his religiosity dubious at best) and his philosophy as chiefly political but Gillespie believes him sincerely religious (if not exactly orthodox) and reveals the underlying metaphysical concerns behind his thought.

And so Gillespie says, even in modern times, we are bequeathed with a similar wrestling between humanity's political ambitions (the expansion of freedom) and the inability to reconcile this with science's inherent determinist worldview. Likewise, in the post-9/11/ confrontation with Islam (which makes a brief appearance at the end) we are again confronted with the fideism and absolutism of Islam which sees the West's assertion of individual autonomy as a challenge to God's omnipotence, for whom our only response ought to be obedience.

Gillespie writes: [i] the apparent rejection or disappearance of religion and theology in fact conceals the continuing relevance of theological issues and commitments for the modern age. Viewed from this perspective, the process of secularization or disenchantment that has come to be seen as identical with modernity was in fact something different than it seemed, not the crushing victory of reason over infamy, to use Voltaire’s famous term, not the long drawn out death of God that Nietzsche proclaimed, and not the evermore distant withdrawal of the deus absconditus Heidegger points to, but the gradual transference of divine attributes to human beings (an infinite human will), the natural world (universal mechanical causality), social forces (the general will, the hidden hand), and history (the idea of progress, dialectical development, the cunning of reason). …

That the deemphasis, disappearance, and death of God should bring about a change in our understanding of man and nature is hardly surprising. Modernity … originates out of a series of attempts to construct a coherent metaphysic specialis on a nominalist foundation, to reconstitute something like the comprehensive summalogical account of scholastic realism. Th e successful completion of this project was rendered problematic by the real ontological differences between an infinite (and radically omnipotent) God and his finite creation (including both man and nature).[/i]


We’re all caught up in the throes of this, every day.
Leontiskos November 03, 2024 at 07:02 #944054
Quoting Count Timothy von Icarus
I find this particularly unconvincing as respects "afterlife" beliefs because many ancient visions (and the dominant modern vision) of the afterlife seem significantly more unpleasant than just ceasing to exist.


Yep. :up:
180 Proof November 03, 2024 at 07:03 #944056
Reply to I like sushi The OP concerns "why religion exists", not what is the origin, development and/or consequences of "altered states of consciousness" (e.g. religious experiences). My excerpts are links (via usename) to prior thread discussions in order to prompt / tease with sketches other (e.g. cognitive) ways of thinking about the topic.
Tom Storm November 03, 2024 at 07:11 #944058
Quoting Wayfarer
We’re all caught up in the throes of this, every day.


No idea - is that what the discussion in this thread is about?

If the argument is that gods and religions are 'invented' to help us manage reality in some way, I see no reason why we would only invent comforting stories. Happy bedtime stories are not the only way to make meaning.



Wayfarer November 03, 2024 at 07:13 #944059
Reply to Tom Storm Well, yes, agree.
Tom Storm November 03, 2024 at 07:13 #944060
Wayfarer November 03, 2024 at 07:18 #944061
Reply to Tom Storm It was the backstory to my remark about Calvin.
I like sushi November 03, 2024 at 07:35 #944064
Reply to 180 Proof If you don't dig deeper you miss the entire point. "Religion" is not a solid concept. If you wish not to engage in my point no need to.

Why religion exists (as per evolutionary explication) has been examined in numerous ways. I mentioned a book that covers a lot of it, and have rad some of Dunbar's ideas too.

The underlying point as to why it exists is because it has developed from useful functions that were not necessarily about woo woo, but more or less about passing on knowledge effectively and reinvigorating the conventions of social groups to allow for adaptation through playing with taboos and generally seeking out novel experiences (exploratory drives).
I like sushi November 03, 2024 at 07:37 #944065
Reply to Tom Storm Stories are not just stories. They are meant to teach not necessarily comfort.

Literacy is a relatively recent invention. This is something I do not believe the OP addresses nor sees as significant?
I like sushi November 03, 2024 at 07:44 #944066
Reply to frank A subsidiary role at best I would say. The whole "opiate of the masses" idea is dubious, but not without effect. Undoubtedly anything that falls into the realm of politics will be bent to serve some means of controlling others - it is hardly specific to religion nor any more significant.
Count Timothy von Icarus November 03, 2024 at 12:44 #944087
Reply to Tom Storm

I am thinking in particular of a person I know who I've discussed this with at length, but one can certainly find this in some forms of Reformed theology (certainly not all, some in the Calvinist tradition even came round to a sort of universalism through Barth), and you can find it in some forms of Manualist Catholicism from what I understand (a tiny minority view today, no doubt, but at one point more influential).

Historically, this arises out of the pivot to the univocity of being. If God is one being among many then any freedom for creatures is a subtraction from divine sovereignty. At the same time, if analagous predication of God is no longer an option, it starts to look like only total equivocity is left. This is indeed Hume's argument, although it seems to simply be ignorant of the analogical option that prevailed for millennia (even in Pagan philosophy) and which was still the norm in the theologies embraced by the churches of most Christians in Hume's time (and today).
ContextThinker November 03, 2024 at 13:03 #944088
Quoting Moliere
want to attack the notion that this idea is an evolutionary adaptation.

All species develop coping mechanisms, from viruses to us. Some of the species die in the process of natural selection and thems who chose the environmentally-conditioned adaptations which effect reproduction positively for the species are thems who developed the coping mechanisms that passed on.

But evolution has nothing to do with religion, in my opinion. Once we acquired the ability to speak language -- well, I think that's more in the ballpark of why religion exists. But it's pretty hazy since it's not like any of us were there at the dawn of talking/writing.



While it's true that all species develop coping mechanisms, the Evolutionary Coping Mechanism Theory (ECMT) specifically addresses the unique complexities of human cognition and cultural evolution. ECMT doesn't suggest that religion itself is an evolutionary adaptation, but rather that the cognitive and cultural processes underlying religiosity emerged as coping mechanisms in response to existential anxiety.

Language acquisition undoubtedly played a pivotal role in the development of complex societies and religiosity. However, ECMT posits that language served as a catalyst, enabling the expression and transmission of coping mechanisms, rather than being the sole driver of religiosity. The universality of religiosity across cultures hints at an underlying psychological or cognitive basis. Moreover, religious beliefs and practices often provide emotional comfort, social cohesion, and moral frameworks, which can enhance individual and group fitness.

Studies on primates and early human societies reveal precursors to religious behaviors, such as ritualized behaviors and symbolic expression. Additionally, humans exhibit cognitive biases like agency detection and pattern recognition that facilitate religious beliefs. The cultural evolution of religiosity across cultures reflects changing environmental pressures and social complexities. ECMT integrates these factors, suggesting that religiosity emerged as a coping mechanism in response to existential anxiety, facilitated by language and cognitive adaptations.

ECMT acknowledges the complexity and haziness surrounding religiosity's origins but offers a framework for understanding its evolution and persistence. By considering the interplay between cognition, culture, and environment, ECMT provides a more comprehensive explanation for religiosity's emergence and persistence.
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ContextThinker November 03, 2024 at 13:07 #944089
Quoting Count Timothy von Icarus
Yes, I did think of that, and I agree with you that it might be plausible in some contexts. Animism is the norm both in early cultures and early childhood, e.g. "the river floods because it wants to." And there is a clear path from this to positing supernatural entities.

But the idea that this is an "adaptive coping mechanism," then makes no sense in terms of some later religious developments, because they make the world both terrifying and unintelligible, the result of an unfathomable God who is beyond all human notions of good and evil, totally obscured by total equivocity. In these extreme voluntarist theological contexts God has also revealed that God intends to consign most of humanity to eternal torment, saving a small remnant, based on "His own good pleasure," for reasons "beyond human comprehension." And to top it all off, God has predestined everything, including our own acts and thoughts, according to his unfathomable will, which is, as mentioned, beyond all human comprehension (save miraculous illumination).

This is not only not reassuring, it makes man entirely helpless, and it makes all of reality bottom out in the completely unintelligible and unfathomable. Through the obsession with divine sovereignty, all of existence becomes a pantheistic expression of the divine will, which is itself beyond comprehension.

It seems to me like the opposite of a coping mechanism. "Nightmare fuel," would be a better term.



Your critique highlights the seemingly counterintuitive aspects of certain religious developments, particularly within voluntarist theology. The concept of an unfathomable God, predestination, and eternal torment appears to exacerbate existential anxiety rather than alleviate it. However, this complexity can be reconciled within the Evolutionary Coping Mechanism Theory (ECMT) framework.

Consider the cultural context in which these theological developments emerged. They responded to societal pressures, power struggles, or intellectual debates, serving adaptive functions such as social control, emotional regulation, and cognitive resolution. Emphasizing divine sovereignty and predestination reinforced social hierarchies and authority, while the promise of salvation for a select few provided emotional comfort and hope. The notion of an unfathomable God resolved cognitive dissonances surrounding evil, suffering, and uncertainty.

ECMT acknowledges evolutionary trade-offs, where coping mechanisms have unintended consequences. In this case, emphasizing divine sovereignty may have provided short-term benefits (e.g., social cohesion) at the cost of long-term existential anxiety. Comparing ancient Near Eastern afterlives, which reflected societal structures, provides insight into the complex interplay between cognition, culture, and environment.

These theological developments can be seen as attempts to address the problem of evil and create meaning in a chaotic world. Even "nightmare fuel" scenarios serve as coping mechanisms for individuals or groups struggling to make sense of their existence. By acknowledging darker aspects of human experience, these beliefs provide a twisted sense of control or purpose.

ECMT doesn't imply all religious developments are adaptive or reassuring. Instead, it recognizes the dynamic interplay leading to diverse coping mechanisms.
Count Timothy von Icarus November 03, 2024 at 13:45 #944096

Consider the cultural context in which these theological developments emerged. They responded to societal pressures, power struggles, or intellectual debates, serving adaptive functions such as social control, emotional regulation, and cognitive resolution. Emphasizing divine sovereignty and predestination reinforced social hierarchies and authority, while the promise of salvation for a select few provided emotional comfort and hope. The notion of an unfathomable God resolved cognitive dissonances surrounding evil, suffering, and uncertainty.


But the Reformation didn't reinforce hierarchies of authority. It often led to their apocalyptic breakdown, e.g. the siege of Munster. The "adaptive evolution" kicked off and sustained wars that were cataclysmic even by the standards of 1914-1945. The Thirty Years War alone killed a almost two and a half times the share of the German population as both World Wars combined. At the outset of the French Wars of Religion France had a population 33% lower than Syria in 2011. Consider how apocalyptic the war in small Syria has been with 600,000 dead. The wars in France killed 3-4+ million. Some areas of Europe were essentially depopulated on a scale only matched by the Black Death. Traditional authority was challenged throughout the period, by popular peasant revolts, by challenges to the Holy Roman Emperor and Papacy, and even in a related regicide in England.

The rationalization that this all fits a general scheme of adaptive behavior to maximize well being seems sort of post hoc. I mean, would [I] any[/I] development in religion not fit the theory? What would be an example of a possible falsifying development in world religion?
Hanover November 03, 2024 at 14:34 #944107
Quoting T Clark
Your OP (original post) and subsequent posts provide almost no specific information. They include a vague and undetailed description of the elements of your ECMT and it's supporting information. You claim it is testable and makes specific predictions but you don't describe any specific hypotheses or how they might be tested.


Yeah. No accusations, but sounds AI-ish, like a corporate memo.

T Clark November 03, 2024 at 17:40 #944174
Quoting Hanover
Yeah. No accusations, but sounds AI-ish, like a corporate memo.


I understand what you mean, but I think even a Chat GPT writeup would provide more detail that what the OP did.