Nude Descending A Staircase by Janus
She had felt disturbingly indeterminate lately. Or had it always been that way? When she looked down at her body it was blurred, ever-shifting, collapsing into planes, which in turns separated and coalesced, over and over. Strangely her body seemed to move without moving.
She vaguely dreamed of things called clothes that would cover her body but she could not imagine being able to get into them and she feared they would somehow exacerbate the uncanny sense of dissolution and coalescenceof falling apart and coming together only to immediately fall apart again, over and over. The coming-together did not transition into a consolidated being-together but into a fragmenting, a breaking-up. Likewise the breaking up did not transition into a lasting fragmentation. Curiously, all this seemed to be constantly going on, but when she focused she could detect no change at all.
Apart from her sense of constantly descending the staircase and never ascending it she experienced what seemed to be a memory that there were times when she had been in the attic and that she had found there a large mirror that she had dared to look into a few times and when she saw herself in the mirror her appearance was whole and unchanging. But when she tried to examine her memory she could not be sure that she had ever looked into that mirror, but nonetheless she was convinced that if she did look at herself in that mirror, she would appear there as her true self againwhole and unchanging.
There did seem to be a fleeting memoryalthough possibly it was merely an inexplicable conviction, a wish to believethat she had looked at herself in the mirror, but only very occasionally because the relief she had felt in seeing herself whole and ordered was greatly outweighed by the terrible disappointment that came with the immediate return to chaos, to ceaseless movement, when she turned away from the mirror. In any case she never was able to catch herself looking in the mirror.
One night (or was it day and how could she tell the difference?) she dreamed that in the basement was a portal, and that if she went through that portal she would be permanently returned to wholeness. That would be far better than relying on the illusion of a mirror. Was that why she always seemed to be descending the staircase? Was she trying to get to the basement?
As she descended the staircase there were sometimes so many voices that it seemed as if she was hearing the whole world speak all at oncean infinite number of voices joining together in an ever-rising cacophony she could make no sense of except when an occasional voice rose up out of the cacophony urging her to stop or another voice telling her to push on. Where did those lone voices come from? She could never actually listen to what the voices said as she would if she had been listening to a lone speaker. Sometimes she was convinced the voices were not peoples voices at all but were really just her own thoughts.
Someimes when she focused on the bewildering fact that the light seemed to come from nowhere in particular, the voices would recede and a quietness would descend on her world.
Occasionally in these quiet lucid moments, startling herself, she would realize that she seemed to be completely alone on the stairs and that she had always been naked and descending the staircase, and that her supposed memories of attics and basements, of mirrors and portals were dreams or fantasies.
At other times she could hear voices that did not seem to come from her own world. She wondered why they always seemed to be talking about artworks.
Rhiannon stood in front of Nude Descending a Staircase no.2 at the Philadelphia Museum of Art, a painting by Marcel Duchamp. She was an art student, an aspiring artist and poet, and she read extensively about the history of the arts and the lives of the great artists and poets, subjects which she found greatly interesting, so she knew some things about the art of that time. Her knowledge was not precise or comprehensive, but she understood that there was some association between this early work of Duchamp's and the fragmenting of subjects into intersecting planes of the Cubists and the focus on evoking dynamic movement of the Italian Futurists.
As she contemplated these associations she wondered what it would be like to be trapped forever in a movement which was fixed in its moments as an enduring stasis. According to her understanding all painting, well at least the best painting, was concerned with capturing the living moment in all its aliveness in a still image. She thought this sense of aliveness necessarily involved the illusion of movement or at least of the possibility of immanent movement.
As she thought about this, to her, central concern of painting, a startling thing happened. She heard a voice that seemed to be emanating from the painting itself. At first she was moved to seek the source of the voice, commonsense telling her it could not possibly be the painting. She could find no possible alternative source of the voice and the initially baffling realization that there was actually no sound coming from anywhere and that the voice was silent in the way ones thoughts are silent. This realisation was quite disturbing at firsthow could she possibly hear a silent voice, it made no sense. but her realisation became more compelling the more she thought about it. It felt like a revelation.
Somehow it seemed perfectly fitting, while at the same time completely paradoxicala silent voice, a static movement. From her readings in another main area of interestphilosophyshe recalled Parmenides denial of the reality of movement, his assertion that any change at all is merely an illusion and his disciple Zenos paradoxes which seemed, on the face of it at least, to deny the possibility of movement.
While she was absorbed in these thoughts the silent voice continued to intone on the periphery of her awareness. To hear it I must be silent she thought and try to discern what the voice is saying.
It was difficult, so difficult. It was akin to trying to catch your own thoughts and view them with all their content revealed and yet without actually thinking them. Like trying to get to a position outside of your thoughts and view them in an instant of revelatory stasis. Just like Parmenides paradox it seemed.
Entering deeply into a state of profound stillness Rhiannon began to experience strange fantasies that felt somehow like real memories. Awake yet in a kind of trance she dreamed of an attic with a mirror, and a basement with a portal. She dreamed her body was constantly morphing into fragments and re-consolidating only to morph again. She felt herself constantly descending a staircase without moving at all just like the figure in the painting and she felt all this to be a kind of prison and she felt a yearning to escape, but no sense of where an escape might lead. This was the strangest waking dream she had ever experienced. At last she clearly heard a voice which said: In the attic of the sky dreams of release, in the basement of the Earth transformation.
She had often wondered about something she termed the other side of life, so she was able to relax more and more into the experience of hearing the voice from the painting and all the strange fantasies and thoughts it evoked. According to her speculative idea of the other side of life, when people imagined gods, angels or any magical being it drew those beings ever closer to being real, to actually having their own independent lives. The idea was that when such figures imagined by many people, the power of that collective imagining brought the imagined figures to life.
Where and how such a life could be enacted she could not imagine. In the light of this idea she thought of the figure in the painting that countless people had looked at and wondered about. Had the thoughts and emotions and fantasies of all those people somehow brought the figure in the painting alive only to trap her forever in a frozen moment of descending a staircase? Were the dreams of attics and basements, which seemed like memories, just traces of the viewers thoughts and fantasies which had somehow been projected into the painting?
For days after seeing the painting and her uncanny experiences as she stood in front of it, she could think of little else. On the seventh day, on remembering the strange words she had heard at the end of her trancelike daydream in front of the painting: In the attic of the sky dreams of release, in the basement of the Earth transformation, she was moved to write a poem, which she felt was directly inspired by her bewildering experience which paradoxically seemed to her to make perfect sense, and she was especially moved by those mysterious words, In the attic of the sky dreams of release, in the basement of the Earth transformation which she felt to be in some way related with her ideas about the other side of life. The poem read as follows:
Images are endlessly proliferated
in the book of love
and the book of dreams
the engines of survival hum
and sing and roar
and scream
in the human deeps and shallows
where nothing is as it seems
On the other side of life
we feel the deep magic of seeming
of visions and of seers
to bring forth
the invisible from the visible
the unseen from the unheard
or the banquet
from the inexistent meal
Music wafts across the river of dreams
the lucid dreamer
creates symphonies
for her ears alone
and paintings
that are not of this world
that reveal unknown archangels
with obsidian eyes
And impotent Gods who limp
complain and drag their feet while labouring to tame
animals with a thousand heads
forever failing until Hercules
performs his thirteenth labour
smashes the gates of Hades
drinks the Styx dry
and liberates the hordes
of the dead
into the landscapes
of the waking dream
the land of lucid sleep
where the dreamer falls under spells
cast by mythical shamans
eternally the world of dream
encompasses all the worlds
And far above the roof of this world
and far beneath its shifting floor
is the realm with permeable walls
that opens a million stairways and doors
the visionary painter imagines an infinite gallery
where every painting shows
every world in fullest detail
and explains it all
This the omniscient dream of all dreams
where the dreamer knows the gods
within the dream that shows their place
and traverses then every hidden path
and finds and traces
every tiny line imprinted
on every mortal
and immortal face
The poem had come to her as a whole. She had no desire to edit it. She couldnt say exactly what it meant but it seemed to settle the strange case of the Nude Descending A Staircase no2 and the uncanny experiences she had while in front of it and her obsession with it for a week afterwards. Once the poem was written she gave the matter no further thought.
She vaguely dreamed of things called clothes that would cover her body but she could not imagine being able to get into them and she feared they would somehow exacerbate the uncanny sense of dissolution and coalescenceof falling apart and coming together only to immediately fall apart again, over and over. The coming-together did not transition into a consolidated being-together but into a fragmenting, a breaking-up. Likewise the breaking up did not transition into a lasting fragmentation. Curiously, all this seemed to be constantly going on, but when she focused she could detect no change at all.
Apart from her sense of constantly descending the staircase and never ascending it she experienced what seemed to be a memory that there were times when she had been in the attic and that she had found there a large mirror that she had dared to look into a few times and when she saw herself in the mirror her appearance was whole and unchanging. But when she tried to examine her memory she could not be sure that she had ever looked into that mirror, but nonetheless she was convinced that if she did look at herself in that mirror, she would appear there as her true self againwhole and unchanging.
There did seem to be a fleeting memoryalthough possibly it was merely an inexplicable conviction, a wish to believethat she had looked at herself in the mirror, but only very occasionally because the relief she had felt in seeing herself whole and ordered was greatly outweighed by the terrible disappointment that came with the immediate return to chaos, to ceaseless movement, when she turned away from the mirror. In any case she never was able to catch herself looking in the mirror.
One night (or was it day and how could she tell the difference?) she dreamed that in the basement was a portal, and that if she went through that portal she would be permanently returned to wholeness. That would be far better than relying on the illusion of a mirror. Was that why she always seemed to be descending the staircase? Was she trying to get to the basement?
As she descended the staircase there were sometimes so many voices that it seemed as if she was hearing the whole world speak all at oncean infinite number of voices joining together in an ever-rising cacophony she could make no sense of except when an occasional voice rose up out of the cacophony urging her to stop or another voice telling her to push on. Where did those lone voices come from? She could never actually listen to what the voices said as she would if she had been listening to a lone speaker. Sometimes she was convinced the voices were not peoples voices at all but were really just her own thoughts.
Someimes when she focused on the bewildering fact that the light seemed to come from nowhere in particular, the voices would recede and a quietness would descend on her world.
Occasionally in these quiet lucid moments, startling herself, she would realize that she seemed to be completely alone on the stairs and that she had always been naked and descending the staircase, and that her supposed memories of attics and basements, of mirrors and portals were dreams or fantasies.
At other times she could hear voices that did not seem to come from her own world. She wondered why they always seemed to be talking about artworks.
Rhiannon stood in front of Nude Descending a Staircase no.2 at the Philadelphia Museum of Art, a painting by Marcel Duchamp. She was an art student, an aspiring artist and poet, and she read extensively about the history of the arts and the lives of the great artists and poets, subjects which she found greatly interesting, so she knew some things about the art of that time. Her knowledge was not precise or comprehensive, but she understood that there was some association between this early work of Duchamp's and the fragmenting of subjects into intersecting planes of the Cubists and the focus on evoking dynamic movement of the Italian Futurists.
As she contemplated these associations she wondered what it would be like to be trapped forever in a movement which was fixed in its moments as an enduring stasis. According to her understanding all painting, well at least the best painting, was concerned with capturing the living moment in all its aliveness in a still image. She thought this sense of aliveness necessarily involved the illusion of movement or at least of the possibility of immanent movement.
As she thought about this, to her, central concern of painting, a startling thing happened. She heard a voice that seemed to be emanating from the painting itself. At first she was moved to seek the source of the voice, commonsense telling her it could not possibly be the painting. She could find no possible alternative source of the voice and the initially baffling realization that there was actually no sound coming from anywhere and that the voice was silent in the way ones thoughts are silent. This realisation was quite disturbing at firsthow could she possibly hear a silent voice, it made no sense. but her realisation became more compelling the more she thought about it. It felt like a revelation.
Somehow it seemed perfectly fitting, while at the same time completely paradoxicala silent voice, a static movement. From her readings in another main area of interestphilosophyshe recalled Parmenides denial of the reality of movement, his assertion that any change at all is merely an illusion and his disciple Zenos paradoxes which seemed, on the face of it at least, to deny the possibility of movement.
While she was absorbed in these thoughts the silent voice continued to intone on the periphery of her awareness. To hear it I must be silent she thought and try to discern what the voice is saying.
It was difficult, so difficult. It was akin to trying to catch your own thoughts and view them with all their content revealed and yet without actually thinking them. Like trying to get to a position outside of your thoughts and view them in an instant of revelatory stasis. Just like Parmenides paradox it seemed.
Entering deeply into a state of profound stillness Rhiannon began to experience strange fantasies that felt somehow like real memories. Awake yet in a kind of trance she dreamed of an attic with a mirror, and a basement with a portal. She dreamed her body was constantly morphing into fragments and re-consolidating only to morph again. She felt herself constantly descending a staircase without moving at all just like the figure in the painting and she felt all this to be a kind of prison and she felt a yearning to escape, but no sense of where an escape might lead. This was the strangest waking dream she had ever experienced. At last she clearly heard a voice which said: In the attic of the sky dreams of release, in the basement of the Earth transformation.
She had often wondered about something she termed the other side of life, so she was able to relax more and more into the experience of hearing the voice from the painting and all the strange fantasies and thoughts it evoked. According to her speculative idea of the other side of life, when people imagined gods, angels or any magical being it drew those beings ever closer to being real, to actually having their own independent lives. The idea was that when such figures imagined by many people, the power of that collective imagining brought the imagined figures to life.
Where and how such a life could be enacted she could not imagine. In the light of this idea she thought of the figure in the painting that countless people had looked at and wondered about. Had the thoughts and emotions and fantasies of all those people somehow brought the figure in the painting alive only to trap her forever in a frozen moment of descending a staircase? Were the dreams of attics and basements, which seemed like memories, just traces of the viewers thoughts and fantasies which had somehow been projected into the painting?
For days after seeing the painting and her uncanny experiences as she stood in front of it, she could think of little else. On the seventh day, on remembering the strange words she had heard at the end of her trancelike daydream in front of the painting: In the attic of the sky dreams of release, in the basement of the Earth transformation, she was moved to write a poem, which she felt was directly inspired by her bewildering experience which paradoxically seemed to her to make perfect sense, and she was especially moved by those mysterious words, In the attic of the sky dreams of release, in the basement of the Earth transformation which she felt to be in some way related with her ideas about the other side of life. The poem read as follows:
Images are endlessly proliferated
in the book of love
and the book of dreams
the engines of survival hum
and sing and roar
and scream
in the human deeps and shallows
where nothing is as it seems
On the other side of life
we feel the deep magic of seeming
of visions and of seers
to bring forth
the invisible from the visible
the unseen from the unheard
or the banquet
from the inexistent meal
Music wafts across the river of dreams
the lucid dreamer
creates symphonies
for her ears alone
and paintings
that are not of this world
that reveal unknown archangels
with obsidian eyes
And impotent Gods who limp
complain and drag their feet while labouring to tame
animals with a thousand heads
forever failing until Hercules
performs his thirteenth labour
smashes the gates of Hades
drinks the Styx dry
and liberates the hordes
of the dead
into the landscapes
of the waking dream
the land of lucid sleep
where the dreamer falls under spells
cast by mythical shamans
eternally the world of dream
encompasses all the worlds
And far above the roof of this world
and far beneath its shifting floor
is the realm with permeable walls
that opens a million stairways and doors
the visionary painter imagines an infinite gallery
where every painting shows
every world in fullest detail
and explains it all
This the omniscient dream of all dreams
where the dreamer knows the gods
within the dream that shows their place
and traverses then every hidden path
and finds and traces
every tiny line imprinted
on every mortal
and immortal face
The poem had come to her as a whole. She had no desire to edit it. She couldnt say exactly what it meant but it seemed to settle the strange case of the Nude Descending A Staircase no2 and the uncanny experiences she had while in front of it and her obsession with it for a week afterwards. Once the poem was written she gave the matter no further thought.
Comments (27)
I may not interpret this correctly at all, but since the text is almost as abstract as the painting itself.
I do however feel it's in dire need of rewrite. It feels written in one go, a freewriting stream of consciousness. While this can produce intriguing and interesting ideas, It also feels unstructured and repetitive. Producing a difficult flow to follow while reading in which ideas mostly goes in all kinds of directions. It might have benefited from some rewrite passes to single out ideas and transform them into more actionable form that moves the reader dynamically through the ideas rather than being blasted by ideas one after another out of structure.
Some revisions could help the sense of movement through it, letting the reader breathe and ponder one idea before the next in order to form a less chaotic holistic view of what it all meant.
Why would a Nude (?female) descend a staircase? Where is she going? Down not up? Staircases can take us anywhere in a building, there is no mention of a house but we can imagine 'up' without stop would lead to an attic; likewise, going down to a basement. Being unclothed suggests it is a dream or nightmare. Sleep-walking?
Quoting Noble Dust
Who is the 'she' - the narrator or the painted figure? Perhaps both, separate or together. (having read it twice, I know the title is that of a painting by Duchamp - influenced by Cubism, showing 3 dimensions in motion).
The story flows a bit like that. The descriptions abstract with revolving thoughts and imaginings of self, mirrored and confused. The reflection of being clear and whole (relief) contrasts with a chaotic mind which takes over and overwhelms (troubled). From the attic:
Quoting Noble Dust
Descending to the basement:
Quoting Noble Dust
The need to feel whole is analysed by the dream observer - lucid?
The descent is filled with a clamour of nonsense voices only a few stand-outs ( like Socrates' daimonion?) one telling her to stop, the other to go on...
Again, wondering even in the dream, a tentative conclusion is reached: the voices are her own.
Is this the way to clarity. The art and practice of dreaming being used to uncover solutions?
The dream world ends. The author takes us to reality:
Quoting Noble Dust
Is she the narrator or writer? Either way, Rhiannon is a deep thinker with a knowledge of philosophy, as well as practising theory of art and poetry. She understands the associations, has a vivid imagination and wanders creatively:
Quoting Noble Dust
She heard a 'silent voice' and then a wonderful sense of revelation, when everything felt right:
Quoting Noble Dust
It seems she is still standing in front of the painting. I hope not blocking the view, that would never do!
But what might seem eternity could only have been minutes. You know the way dreams work!
Condensing time.
Quoting Noble Dust
This is her voice. The one of creation. Her speculative imagination:
Quoting Noble Dust
The magic number - 7days after viewing the painting, the relationship between the 'other side of life' and the distinct voice line resulted in a poem. It came to her as a whole. It is a beautiful, magical and musical piece which could act as the story summary and perhaps a catharsis. But can stand alone as a silent meditation.
The author is back in town. If she ever left.
***
Absolutely absorbing. The working of the mind. From chaos to clarity. The process hidden and yet transparent. The unwinding paradox. Wow! Simply mind-blowing complex art. :fire: :sparkle:
Q to self: Are all artists mad?
I am sure the author will appreciate your feedback and will respond accordingly.
I've been thinking about it. I agree, the story is difficult to read/interpret. Perhaps that is intentional. The writer is expressing difficult feelings and thoughts concerning the painting and its effects on self and others. For me, I had to read this a few times, before I decided to stand well back and let the imagery flow over me, like someone standing alone in front of an abstract. Unlike the writer/protagonist I don't appreciate cubist-type artwork. I find it difficult but am open to discovery. The painting didn't trigger anything in me, but this story has. I think it is autobiographical.
In its flow, it is both a subjective and objective analysis and meditation. It is a 'stream of consciousness' which might not be structured well, according to some aesthetics, but it is an authentic creative voice. The chaos is real and is reflected in the whole, perhaps twisted, picture but there is clear motion and emotion. Until, finally, it comes to rest. The final paragraph brings it together.
Quoting Noble Dust
I think any edit, while it may be worthwhile, would ride against the grain of exploration and discovery. The strange, sometimes torturous, telling and showing of a story. It could lose its personal spark if changed to suit a certain ideal. This is an original, perhaps with flaws, but does it need to be polished to perfection? This took time and energy. I appreciate that.
Again, this is not a Competition which the author needs to win or seek the approval of readers. This is her story. Her voice. Should that be silenced or muffled? To suit who?
This kind of creativity is an important part of a TPF Literary Activity.
And yes, each and every story can be read and interpreted in different ways. Therein lies the beauty.
Imagination and Creativity from both writers and readers. The interaction.
That's where it's at. :sparkle:
[ Oh, and I doubt the author/protagonist 'gave the matter no further thought'. After all, here we are - the story written after the poem. The impact remains.]
and yet she is vaguely aware that somewhere, in the attic, disrobing before the mirror, and later in the basement, getting dressed again, is a model. a real woman with her own life in the real world, who is and is not the woman in the painting, who lives on the wall of an art gallery.
otoh, i'm not sure how i feel about the art student. i'm glad the nude in the painting found someone to talk to, but i'm also a little resentful that she got between me and the painting. for sure, i will give it more thought, from time to time: i'll be looking at more paintings from the perspective of the subject, rather than the artist and the audience.
i can't be objective, because i find this story the most personally affecting.
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Anyway, I think its a spectacular feat of the imagination, but Im also less sure of the later parts of the story, partly because Im not an enthusiastic or confident reader of poetry.
Yes. Before I could begin to understand, I had to search for the painting and did think about giving a link to it. There are apparently 3 different versions. Extraordinary.
This exceptional story has truly been an eye-opener. I am grateful to the author for speaking to us, to help us see what she sees, and yes - it has made a lasting impression. :sparkle:
The first four paragraphs are excellent and perfectly structured: description, the dreamlike spotlight of the woman, the dizziness of constantly descending, etc. It grasped my attention early.
Some thoughts...
It is another story where dreams are important, and they drag the reader to them. It is very well done. I could feel the same state of dreamlike visions as the woman of this story.
On the other hand, I thought it was orientated (probably) to mental issues; anorexia is what I thought. But this thought quickly faded away because everything started to get a clear spotthe infinite staircase paradox and Zeno's paradox, etc. All of this math stuff was discussed in some threads. It is very interesting, and I appreciate how the author put them in a story to understand them better (at least to me).
Good job on giving a reference to art. I really like these details, as I do when some authors do references to music.
A wonderful story. :up:
This is the story of a prisoner who seeks liberation from her imprisonment. The quest for freedom is one of the central themes within the whole of literature.
I think I, a man, can arrogantly attempt to provide a feminist-adjacent reading of this story.
Quoting The Author
Within the male-dominated culture - in which Duchamp's Nude Descending a Staircase is a standout artifact - we men are the one's primarily concerned with gazing upon beautiful women disrobed. Notice how the female protagonist exists within a disturbed state of mind and emotion within her permanently disrobed state of exposure. From the days of ancient Greek statuary until present times, women have found themselves pressured into a nearly constant state of nudity under examination.
She thinks of taking recourse to the coverage of clothes, but they, being dainty, are a weak protector.
Quoting The Author
Quoting The Author
Laboring as a student under the influence of male-controlled western styled thought, she's been dazzled by the razzmatazz of Cubism, Futurism and other such male-sponsored big ideas. We don't, however, see many cubist_futurist paintings of specifically male nudes. No, the big ideas of men only become art when the disrobed woman is brought into the mix, as a captive, as we're seeing here in this story.
Quoting The Author
She wants the relief - and joy - of being whole and ordered, but this brief oasis is outweighed by knowledge of an inevitable return to the chaos, and ceaseless movement of grasping, greedy men climbing like swarming Lilliputians over the voluptuaries of her nude body.
Quoting The Author
The student of art, doing her work in the museum where she studies a celebrated painting, experiences a moment of contemplation approaching communion with the subject_victim fastened to the wall. Isn't it curious how a real female brings the depth of her three-dimensionality to the much hallowed, big deal cubist idea before her.
Quoting The Author
Since the days of Greek statuary going forward, have women been getting anywhere whilst enduring endless rituals of disrobament under the hot light of the male gaze? Would a man have contemplated cubism absent a nude female beautiful? From fast cars to space shuttles, there's usually a nude female beautiful worked into the mix somewhere.
Quoting The Author
Rhiannon's sub-conscious communion with her projection of a captive nude female beautiful percolates under her skin, gestating a poetic dream of liberation:
Quoting The Author
Quoting The Author
Her captive-nude-female-beautiful-inspired poem delivers her into the realm of captive-nude-female-beautiful whole and free.
Quoting The Author
Quoting The Author
I'll flesh these bones out...
My initial thought was: no no no, the whole point of the painting is to show movement and it's a total rejection of this attempt to treat the figure as a real frozen multi-faceted person/paint-monster. But as I read on I realized the author was one step ahead of me: the fact is that this is the paradox of a painting of movement---it really is a frozen multi-facted figure in paint---and that's exactly what the story is about (partly).
Quoting Noble Dust
So much assonance and half rhyme. I matched the formatting to the different skeins of rhyming in it. tur and ter even have a rhyme, dear god.
Quoting Noble Dust
Same here.
Quoting Noble Dust
The poem "breaks through" the underlying structure the painting lady finds herself in and "reaches out" into our world, the one the painting rests in materially:
Quoting Noble Dust
And expresses a hope of unity that she cannot find within the painting, but any reader knows will fail in our ambiguous wilds. We can only make a myth of it:
Quoting Noble Dust
because even the gods are impotent in all this chaos. But:
Quoting Noble Dust
an aspiration to chart that chaos gives us an image - a mere image - of a map. The whole thing excellently takes the critical eye of modernist painting and transposes it into prose poetry.
I like this story for its transportation to the narcissistic world of a naked body. It draws upon postmodernism, but with an area for potential questioning of such limits. It makes me think of think of Geoffrey Eugenides' ' The Virgin Suicides', and fiction on the nature of the body, including fiction which looks at anorexia and the experience of having a female body and how it is viewed. The idea of a painting here offers a point of imaginative speculation here, into the realm of fantasies about bodies and being embodied, especially in relation to gender.
I really like the picture. It makes me wish to have illustrated my own. I find the merging of writing and art work together in such a complementary way, as word and image.
Thats the best Duchamp imitation I could get an AI to do. Not great.
I prefer drawing by hand, but am a bit daunted by the way AI art is as good as it is, but I guess we have had photography for a long time...
This element
Quoting Christoffer
then becomes more apparent and some sort of overarching narrative is inserted before the turn to pure poetry. That structure in itself is probably quite significant and intentional, but I felt somewhat jolted out of the pure "madness" of the perspective of the nude in the painting wherein the imagery, flux, and poetic confusion was both very effective and very affecting.
(*Not that I have more than a very superficial understanding of Deleuze. )
@Christoffer felt that it needs editing. I did present it pretty much as it was written straight down. kind of "stream of consciousness", and I did edit a little but not much. I may attempt an edit, but I'm not sure it is needful.
@Amity offered as usual some very personal and insightful commentary. I very much appreciated your engagement with the work and your generosity of spirit.
I liked the ambivalence expressed by @Jamal and @Vera Mont. It's helpful to get a sense of how others may read works very differently. I was pleased that the reactions were mostly positive. I think we write for ourselves, in order to clarify our ideas and bring something to life for ourselves. (not to say there are no other motivations, but that is the way I think about what I do). It is a bonus when others are able to get something from what we have created.
Interesting interpretations from @javi2541997 , @Jack Cummins ,@Tobias and @Baden and a very detailed and interesting one from @ucarr.
@fdrake came closest to getting the work in the way I understand it.
I wish I had more time for more detailed responses, but I've been very pressed over this festive season. Thanks again to all for reading.
I have one question, related to:
Quoting Tobias
I too felt it was autobiographical. Care to respond to or share more about that? Thanks. :sparkle:
I have thought about what @Tobias said about the story being autobiographical, and I would say it is certainly not in any conscious sense. On the other hand, I am a painter, and I was an art student back in the day and the philosophical themes I tried to address or at least allude to in the story and poem are ones which I have explored for many years.
It's an interesting question, and one I will have to ponder some more. If I find anything else to add I will.
:smile:
I appreciate your kind and supportive words. Sometimes, I wonder if I go too far and become too involved. However, as long as I enjoy the sharing and don't feel too overwhelmed...
Quoting Janus
This is fascinating to hear about. The depth of your philosophical and creative exploration. Coming out in this unique and original story. In a kind of 'stream of consciousness' and still carefully crafted. As @fdrake and others have shown in appreciation. I am in awe.
Do you think you will participate in the Philosophy Writing Challenge?
I hope you and others will. There is so much experience, talent and interaction :pray: :flower:
I' might have a go at the Philosophy Writing Challenge, but I would have to think of an original and interesting topic to attempt to deal with first.
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Quoting Janus
Hah. With your intelligence and creativity, not a problem!
Topic might not be 'original' but the way of looking at it...well, just imagine...
Is this a love-in, or what?! :wink:
Time to say "Good night!"
Sweet dreams :pray: