Autonomous Government + Voluntary Taxation
Autonomous Government + Voluntary Taxation
Since I am so displeased with democracy as it exists in the USA, Ive been thinking about an alternative kind of government. Here it is.
Autonomous Branches of Government
One of the reasons I dont like democracy is that lots of people who dont know anything are meddling in other peoples business. So, I thought it would be nice if each branch of government oversaw itself. The military would decide how the military was run, the local police would decide how they were run, the local courts would decide how they were run, etc. This has a secondary benefit of accountability, which will be discussed in the tax section.
The Sovereign
The sovereign would combine the mostly independent branches of government into one functioning whole. He would decide which branches of government existed, settle disputes between different branches of governments, define internal borders, do international diplomacy, declare war, etc.
There could be a feudal system, where there could be a king at the top, with a duke (equivalent to a governor) for each state, and a count (equivalent to a mayor) for each county. Each local government could run things as they saw fit within their own borders.
Alternatively, perhaps the emperor would be obligated to choose a successor unrelated by blood ties. This would have the benefit of decreasing the likelihood of there being an incompetent king.
For this thought experiment, Im not considering the possibility of voting on rulers, since the USA is setting such a poor example right now, and because this would be contrary to the principle outlined here of autonomous government.
Voluntary Taxation
Im imagining a future where crypto is used by default to pay for most things. I would personally like ICP for this purpose, because its fast, you can access the block chain from a web browser, you can access your internet identity with the biometrics on a phone or laptop, among other reasons. I think there should be user-friendly dapps to help you pay for things with your phone (like scan a barcode & give your phone your fingerprint to make a payment, with warnings for large or unusual payments), to help with inheritance, taxes, and other things.
Crypto blockchains prefer to be independent, but with this style of government, the government would be using a blockchain to collect taxes. One solution could be to create something like a ICPUSA coin, which one can acquire by exchanging it for 1 ICP, which is the standard currency in the USA. The advantage of doing this would be that there would be tax infrastructure built around this coin (on the ICP blockchain), so that using it would automatically get your taxes calculated and collected for you. Using other currencies could perhaps be permitted, but more paperwork would be required in order to pay the tax.
Once a year, each taxpayer votes on the tax rate for each independent government agency. Voting power is proportional to taxes paid during the previous voting year. Whatever the weighted average tax rate is among the voters, that tax rate is automatically applied and deducted from peoples wallets. Taxpayers could also vote for changes to tax policy. There would have to be special rules to prevent abuse, like a maximum tax rate that can be voted on (maybe 10%), to stop someone from voting for a bazillion percent tax in order to skew the average. A wallet might need to be approved by a government agent (like the king, a duke, or a count) before it can ask people to vote on it, or else a large private company like Walmart might be able to unilaterally vote itself a tax rate of something like 0.0001%.
ALL taxes would work the exact same. Each entity (person or corporation) would declare an income wallet (where one receives income) and an expenses wallet (with which one pays for expenses). The tax dapp would automatically track all transactions that entered the income wallet, and all transactions that left the expense wallet. The tax would be automatically applied to the difference between the income and the expenses. Employees might have no need for an expense wallet, but both businesses and investors would use the expense wallet to keep track of money they spent on trying to make more money. The tax would be applied to ALL transactions: groceries, land sales, income, capital gains, etc. For this reason, the tax rates should be very low, because they will add up very quickly (a farmer selling to factory which sells to a wholesaler which sells to a retailer who sells to the consumer would rack up 4 taxable transactions).
The government and taxpayers (by voting) may decide to allow people to flag transactions with things like, inheritance, food, medical expenses or other such things in order to reduce or eliminate the tax. Or maybe people could count food and medical expenses as expenses and thus these would be tax deductible. Or maybe some things like "alcohol and drugs" would get a higher tax rate (maybe like 2x of whatever the normal tax rate was). The tax payers could vote to choose, perhaps with oversight from the government.
There would of course need to be occasional audits in order to ensure that people were honestly declaring their taxes.
Maybe in order to encourage people to vote, there could be a higher tax rate for people who didnt vote. Or maybe nonvoters would simply not be counted.
Example:
A typical taxpayer would probably vote on tax rates (in percent) for the following:
Local police
Local emergency personnel (firefighters and ambulance)
Local courts
Local count + miscellaneous local expenses
Local duke + miscellaneous state expenses
State court system
The national military
The kings personal expenses + miscellaneous government expenses (maybe kings security, secret police, espionage, etc)
I would guess that the tax rate for most of these things should be less than 1%.
Benefits of this system:
Everybody would be in their own lane. People wouldnt be able to vote on stuff which they did not understand.
At least 50% of taxes paid would be voluntary (or else the taxpayers would vote on a lower tax rate). So, it would be impossible to vote for your neighbors money (welfare).
Tax payers would be able to directly defund certain government agencies which they disapproved of. Because the vote took place via crypto, it would be automatically implemented and thus could not be cheated or ignored.
Each branch of government would be forced to continually justify its existence, hopefully by doing useful things. Maybe it would be useful to have one or more state propaganda channels for the purpose of convincing people to vote for higher tax rates.
Assuming that the society was at least semi-meritocratic, those who were more competent would have more voting power.
The issuance of currency would be outside of government control, so inflation would not occur.
Disadvantages:
The citizens would have to voluntarily pay a tax. If they decided that they didnt want to pay any tax at all, even for legitimate government services, then there would be problems.
Voters would have to pay attention generally to punish abuse.
If some government agency found a significant source of income outside of this tax system, then it would be difficult for tax payers to punish that agency.
Since I am so displeased with democracy as it exists in the USA, Ive been thinking about an alternative kind of government. Here it is.
Autonomous Branches of Government
One of the reasons I dont like democracy is that lots of people who dont know anything are meddling in other peoples business. So, I thought it would be nice if each branch of government oversaw itself. The military would decide how the military was run, the local police would decide how they were run, the local courts would decide how they were run, etc. This has a secondary benefit of accountability, which will be discussed in the tax section.
The Sovereign
The sovereign would combine the mostly independent branches of government into one functioning whole. He would decide which branches of government existed, settle disputes between different branches of governments, define internal borders, do international diplomacy, declare war, etc.
There could be a feudal system, where there could be a king at the top, with a duke (equivalent to a governor) for each state, and a count (equivalent to a mayor) for each county. Each local government could run things as they saw fit within their own borders.
Alternatively, perhaps the emperor would be obligated to choose a successor unrelated by blood ties. This would have the benefit of decreasing the likelihood of there being an incompetent king.
For this thought experiment, Im not considering the possibility of voting on rulers, since the USA is setting such a poor example right now, and because this would be contrary to the principle outlined here of autonomous government.
Voluntary Taxation
Im imagining a future where crypto is used by default to pay for most things. I would personally like ICP for this purpose, because its fast, you can access the block chain from a web browser, you can access your internet identity with the biometrics on a phone or laptop, among other reasons. I think there should be user-friendly dapps to help you pay for things with your phone (like scan a barcode & give your phone your fingerprint to make a payment, with warnings for large or unusual payments), to help with inheritance, taxes, and other things.
Crypto blockchains prefer to be independent, but with this style of government, the government would be using a blockchain to collect taxes. One solution could be to create something like a ICPUSA coin, which one can acquire by exchanging it for 1 ICP, which is the standard currency in the USA. The advantage of doing this would be that there would be tax infrastructure built around this coin (on the ICP blockchain), so that using it would automatically get your taxes calculated and collected for you. Using other currencies could perhaps be permitted, but more paperwork would be required in order to pay the tax.
Once a year, each taxpayer votes on the tax rate for each independent government agency. Voting power is proportional to taxes paid during the previous voting year. Whatever the weighted average tax rate is among the voters, that tax rate is automatically applied and deducted from peoples wallets. Taxpayers could also vote for changes to tax policy. There would have to be special rules to prevent abuse, like a maximum tax rate that can be voted on (maybe 10%), to stop someone from voting for a bazillion percent tax in order to skew the average. A wallet might need to be approved by a government agent (like the king, a duke, or a count) before it can ask people to vote on it, or else a large private company like Walmart might be able to unilaterally vote itself a tax rate of something like 0.0001%.
ALL taxes would work the exact same. Each entity (person or corporation) would declare an income wallet (where one receives income) and an expenses wallet (with which one pays for expenses). The tax dapp would automatically track all transactions that entered the income wallet, and all transactions that left the expense wallet. The tax would be automatically applied to the difference between the income and the expenses. Employees might have no need for an expense wallet, but both businesses and investors would use the expense wallet to keep track of money they spent on trying to make more money. The tax would be applied to ALL transactions: groceries, land sales, income, capital gains, etc. For this reason, the tax rates should be very low, because they will add up very quickly (a farmer selling to factory which sells to a wholesaler which sells to a retailer who sells to the consumer would rack up 4 taxable transactions).
The government and taxpayers (by voting) may decide to allow people to flag transactions with things like, inheritance, food, medical expenses or other such things in order to reduce or eliminate the tax. Or maybe people could count food and medical expenses as expenses and thus these would be tax deductible. Or maybe some things like "alcohol and drugs" would get a higher tax rate (maybe like 2x of whatever the normal tax rate was). The tax payers could vote to choose, perhaps with oversight from the government.
There would of course need to be occasional audits in order to ensure that people were honestly declaring their taxes.
Maybe in order to encourage people to vote, there could be a higher tax rate for people who didnt vote. Or maybe nonvoters would simply not be counted.
Example:
A typical taxpayer would probably vote on tax rates (in percent) for the following:
Local police
Local emergency personnel (firefighters and ambulance)
Local courts
Local count + miscellaneous local expenses
Local duke + miscellaneous state expenses
State court system
The national military
The kings personal expenses + miscellaneous government expenses (maybe kings security, secret police, espionage, etc)
I would guess that the tax rate for most of these things should be less than 1%.
Benefits of this system:
Everybody would be in their own lane. People wouldnt be able to vote on stuff which they did not understand.
At least 50% of taxes paid would be voluntary (or else the taxpayers would vote on a lower tax rate). So, it would be impossible to vote for your neighbors money (welfare).
Tax payers would be able to directly defund certain government agencies which they disapproved of. Because the vote took place via crypto, it would be automatically implemented and thus could not be cheated or ignored.
Each branch of government would be forced to continually justify its existence, hopefully by doing useful things. Maybe it would be useful to have one or more state propaganda channels for the purpose of convincing people to vote for higher tax rates.
Assuming that the society was at least semi-meritocratic, those who were more competent would have more voting power.
The issuance of currency would be outside of government control, so inflation would not occur.
Disadvantages:
The citizens would have to voluntarily pay a tax. If they decided that they didnt want to pay any tax at all, even for legitimate government services, then there would be problems.
Voters would have to pay attention generally to punish abuse.
If some government agency found a significant source of income outside of this tax system, then it would be difficult for tax payers to punish that agency.
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If there is a unitary government (only 1 branch of government that is funded by voting tax payers), with a legal maximum tax rate that you can vote for called "max", then it will be beneficial for the government to pay tax to itself to vote for the max tax rate, and that the actual tax rate will approach this max tax rate with time. Unless the max tax rate is over 50%, then it should never be possible for the government to vote to raise the max tax rate, and possibly the voters could vote to lower the max tax rate. So, for a unitary government that chooses to pay tax and vote to raise taxes, the max allowable tax rate is basically the same as the actual tax rate.
If there are many branches of government so that most of the tax paid doesn't come back to any particular branch, then it's only beneficial for that branch to pay tax if the max allowable tax rate for its branch is at least as big as the current total tax rate (then they can give themselves a bigger raise than they pay in taxes). So, for many branches of government, a simple fix would be to set the max allowable vote for a tax rate for any given branch to be half of what the total government revenue was last year. Then it would not be profitable for any individual branch of government to choose to pay tax in order to raise its tax rate.
If there are many counties with different forms of government, then it's possible that some of the counties will have unitary government (only one branch of government for the whole county). Then, the count would be like a unitary government for his local area, and could vote for the max tax rate for himself. In this case, it might be beneficial for local areas to be allowed to vote on local max tax rates.
I just looked up the size of the military budget in the USA and the size of US GDP, and it looks like the USA spends a little under 5% of its GDP on the military. But the USA has higher military spending than basically any country ever. And the military should be the largest legitimate budget expense for a country. So, it makes sense to me that the global maximum tax rate for any branch of government should be 5% (and this is even being generous). Then if there were many branches of government, and if the total tax paid to government as at least 5%, then it would never be profitable for any individual branch to pay taxes in order to give itself a raise. Now, many branches of government could collude to raise the tax rate together (this would be hard if they were really independent), but in this case, the tax payers could treat them as a unitary government and then just vote to lower the maximum tax rate that can be voted on.
I'm not, because I use it towards MY benefit. I don't pay taxes and I work for myself. In a capitalist system, if you want to get ahead, buy the rights to the surpluss of a company's value. Or create something of consumer value.
To summarize, you like democracy as it currently stands in the US because you can get all the services without paying for them and leave it for other people to pay for. So youre stealing from me.
Its not that big a deal I guess, but bragging about it makes you seem like kind of an [explative deleted].
What your proposing is basically anarchy. It has been discussed here numerous times. Without going into criticisms of specific details, it just wont work. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature - its just not how people and governments work. People like @DifferentiatingEgg will take advantage and ripoff the system whenever they can.
Whatever, so has every politician you've ever voted for... so too does your God... 0 fucks given. There are those who follow the rules and those who bend them to their will.
Just as obtaining knowledge comes as a crime against God. The highest presentment of man is always seemingly through some crime or another... blah blah blah... well it's only a crime to those who adhere to a model. And I don't adhere to your model of evaluations. Democracy has stolen enough in its name... just as all States have...
I can't go claim untamed land for my own? I gotta ask a state? Fuck off... just because it's a model doesn't mean I ever agreed to be born into American slavery...
Who did you vote for this time around? Me I don't cause politics is beneath me.
I'm kinda doubting you voted for Harris... and Trump's already stolen more from you than I ever will.
From just his time in office since January...
And if you voted Trump... that means you gave that imbecile the okay to steal from you, knowing how much he did the first time... and to steal from me.
There's your first mistake - thinking the USA is democratic...
Pitiful.
I consider myself a pragmatist, but I don't steal from my neighbors. Your justifications are nauseating.
I'm all done here, I'll give you a chance for a final sickening self-justification.
As in income taxes or any type of tax including tarrifs on imported goods and services? Or do you mean by "100% disabled", dead?
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The disability rating is from combined injuries and trauma from the military, I get paid quite a pretty penny from that alone also. Free healthcare, waiving of the first $40,000 in property taxes, pay yourself marginally from your business, and keep the rest in house and write off everything else.
Thanks for that. Comprehensive savings on taxes. Understand now, (from an outsider's pov) another reason why signing up in the military is so attractive to US youth.
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You say that this has been discussed before. Where have people discussed crytpo-enforced taxation? I have never heard of it before. Did you just read, "voluntary taxation" and immediately think that meant anarchy and that you've seen it before and you didn't read the rest of the post?
How is it possible that you do not pay taxes? Aren't there capital gains taxes, taxes on dividends, and also business taxes? I am not aware of any legal way to entirely dodge taxes. I have heard that landlords that bought their properties with debt can deduct the debt from their taxes.
I went back and reread your OP. It's true, in my response I wasn't dealing with the specific technological way you proposed to run and fund the government. But the reasons I don't think your system will work are not technological. They're psychological, sociological, and political. As I see it, when a society gets above a certain size, it is no longer governable by direct means.