[TPF Essay] Technoethics: Freedom, Precarity, and Enzymatic Knowledge Machines

Moliere June 01, 2025 at 17:24 3775 views 50 comments
Author: @Baden

“The human is a technical being, and the technical system is pharmacological: both poison and cure.”

Bernard Stiegler [9].

Technoethics: Freedom, Precarity, and Enzymatic Knowledge Machines

This essay amounts to a critique of a consumerist culture that is driven by technology and rooted in capitalism. The proximate goal is not to suggest alternative political systems but to offer conceptual tools to help protect free subjectivity as a creative and self-creating force through presenting in a brief introductory way a theory concerning its cultural situatedness. This theory is grounded in a constructivist paradigm that sees subjects as both biologically and socially constituted, and it leverages the difference between the ontological freedom inherent to subjectivity and socially granted nominal freedoms to highlight the former’s precarity in our increasingly technosocial milieu.

Electronic technologies have become a dominant force in organizing our behaviours, and the boundary between us and the devices to which we outsource our needs, whether those needs be emotional, practical, or aesthetic is increasingly blurred, not just in terms of the proximity of these devices to us, but also in their integration into our mental faculties. The contemporary subject subsists somewhere in a cloud of internal neurological and external social and algorithmic processes that combine to produce culturally recognizable results, and this diluting field of subjectivity becomes problematic when we lack awareness of the processes that consitute it.

This issue of increasingly “fuzzy” subjectivity can be directly linked to globalization and its expansion of individual and cultural interconnectedness, which creates ever larger pools of subjects and Increasingly intense efforts to productively control them. This control is largely enacted through technological tools which attempt to transform subjects into culturally legibile and interculturally transferable units that can be integrated into global systems of economic exchange. While these tools can empower us, they also result in the dispersal of traditional groups based on physical proximity—e.g. the family and the local community—in favour of establishing new cross-cultural virtual proximities and a natural outcome of this is that what we traditionally understand as culture, the basis of historical communicative space, is being dissolved. And though a counterbalancing independence of association that can appear as an extension of individual freedom and power is fostered through this process, effects intrinsic to the medium problematize the idea that greater opportunity of association equates to greater freedom or that quantity of associative opportunities equates to quality of relationships.

It hardly seems an exaggeration to claim, for example, that globalized technocapitalism is engaged in a form of hyper-symbolization that is overwriting individual cultures and the values they inhere with a layer of simplified cross-cultural signifiers that manifest as common technologically mediated modes of communication and information transfer. From an economic and quantitative point of view, this enables growth by facilitating capitalism’s requirements for constant efficiency increases in the flow of information and goods. But from a psychic and qualitative point of view, the situation is not so straightforward. While disparate cultures conflict in their values, sometimes violently so, and homogenising them might therefore seem superficially desirable, values are the subject’s fulcrum of meaning and, beyond the dictats of pure survival, meaning is ultimately what lends quality to life.

Subject and System: Agency and Precarity

“Meaning is use.”

Wittgenstein [11].

“A being does not preexist its becoming; it is always in the process of being constituted.”

Simondon [8].

From a social constructivist perspective, subjects simultaneously imply and ground each other. The individual meaning of a subject in a system of culture can be analogized with the linguistic meaning of a word in a system of language. The meaning of a word can be observed in the behavioral manifestation of its linguistic intelligibility. Meaning is use [11] because use manifests this intelligibility, expressing in communicative acts the relation between an individual's neurological patternings of understandings of a concept and the social patternings of brains that share understandings of the concept. The behavioral expressions of this web of interwoven patterns, this web of webbed nodes, simultaneously express and define meaning because they represent social instantiations of this web and—in successful communication—reinforce its structure in accordance with those instantiations. This interdependence makes language both stable and mutable. Stable in that webs of linguistic meaning are self-reinforcing through communicative acts, but mutable in that the boundaries of what is considered successful communication are not absolutely fixed but depend on social and human contexts that are changeable. So, we cannot fully pin down or exhaust the meaning of a word, for example, through a dictionary defnition; there is always an excess to meaning that can expand or redirect itself. The fact that words change meaning over time, sometimes very quickly, is testament to this.

Similarly, there is a sense that an individual's meaning, just as a word’s meaning, can only be discovered in the context of that of other individuals, so that the meaning of a subject can be observed in the behavioural manifestation of its cultural intelligibility. We are what we do culturally, so to speak. The subject is a node in the culture’s system of inter-subjectivity just as a word is a node in a language. But for a subject to play a role in culture or for there to be such roles, it must also be in itself something, that is (following Vygotsky [10]) the something that exteriorizes the web of roles from the symbolic interiorization that marks it as subject and one of those nodes. Again, there is an implied interdependence and inter-reliance here; subjects reproduce the culture that produces them and culture reproduces itself through the actions of its subjects. But culture does not replicate itself with full fidelity because its subjects are not entirely defined culturally. And because of this, it can mutate quickly, especially when under stress

So, just as the logical base condition for meaningful words in language is a systemically conditioned flexibility that always implies an “excess” of meaning, so is the logical base condition for free subjectivity in culture a systemically conditioned flexibility that implies that the subject as a carrier of cultural meaning is also meaningful to itself. And this meaningfulness to itself, this semantic self-flexibility, forms the basis of agency and freedom. Subjects are subject to culture but not absolutely. They are generally stable units but also mutable in a way culture cannot entirely predict or control. And this appears necessary to allow culture to quickly adapt and change according to changing circumstances in a way that simple socialities of unfree units, e.g. ant colonies, can never do.

“Social systems use communication as their particular mode of autopoietic reproduction. The elements of the system are produced and reproduced by the system itself.”

Luhmann [6].

“Living systems are cognitive systems, and living is a process of cognition”

Maturana and Varela [7].

However, while it may be granted that the meaningfulness of the subject to itself, and the basic freedom that implies, is inseparable from the adaptability of culture, there is no reason to think culture or social systems in general “value” this freedom. It may be that it is, operationally speaking, epiphenomenal. German theorist Niklas Luhmann, for example, presents a picture of society not as operating on the basis of individual agents, but on the recursively self-producing communications of those agents, with the degree to which those communications are free as not directly relevant [6]. That is, though social systems operate on the basis of “structural couplings” with agentic subjects, they can be considered semantically operative without minds or agency [ibid]. In this scaling up of the subject to the interoperative group, freedom, even if we grant it as implied by what we know as culture, is secondary to the functioning of communicative code and not something that society seeks to protect. It may offer adaptability advantages and that may be what has preserved it up until now, but that does not mean culture cannot theoretically leave freedom behind to a large or even total degree even if that ultimately means culture becoming so rigid it destroys itself as recognizably cultural and reverts to something more akin to insect sociality along the lines of Star Trek's “Borg”.

Under Luhmann's theory, social systems are characterized as independently self-reproducing or “autopoietic”, a term he borrowed from Humberto Maturana and Frenciso Varela who applied it originally (and exclusively) to biological systems [7]. And following Maturana and Varela “downwards” from subjects to other biological systems rather than “upwards” to culture, a theory of autopoiesis presents us too with systems that are semantically operative, that inhere a form of meaning, without agency. Though meaning is preserved at all levels, freedom in both directions from the subject is decoupled from meaning-making with the operation of communicative code instead enacting it.

Other theorists (e.g. Seth Lloyd [5]) have extended this “code primacy” further down through biology into physics to position communication as fundamental to reality. They posit a code-based metaphysics whereby the transfer, overlap, reconfiguring and layering of code is at the root of what manifests as physical, mental and social reality. Everything becomes reducible, in theory, to code-based systems which, while they ultimately manifest a form of human agency, again can’t be said to “need” it.

In this pan-semiotic ontology whereby matter in its observable form emerges from code and reality consists of layers of autopoietic coding systems, free subjectivity is just another layer that emerges when technics (in Simondon and Stiegler’s sense of symbolic affordances, especially language) appears in humans. But whether or not code goes “all the way down”, if human subjectivity is nested between code-based biological and social systems, which potentialize meaning without freedom, then agency is always contingent and precarious and should be recognized as such rather than accepted as humanity's biological and social given.

“A system is not an ensemble of relations, but a process of subjectivation.”

Deleuze and Guattari. [1]

Cultures then, under an autopoietic systems view, while offering clear opportunities for personal development primarily aims to enable and utilise human communication as a means to complexify themselves. They are, in Stieglers sense, “pharmacological” in nature; both a curative and a toxin [9]. As a curative, they offer us knowledge and contexts in which to creatively utilize them, marking us as unique individuals in so doing. This is what Stiegler, following Simondon, refers to as “individuation” [8][9]. But as a toxin, they “consume” subjectivity as a substrate and dissolve it, making us passive, conforming, and reliant (“disindividuation”) [ibid].

The latter, toxic, mode of action of social life seems more and more apparent in contemporary technologically driven cultures occurring through, for example:

1. The bureaucratization of cognition (the capturing of cognitive capacity for uncreative calculative labour limited to reproducing systemic functionality)
2. (Negative) exteriorization / algorithmic outsourcing (the general stultifying of mental development through the replacement of cognitive tasks by algorithmic processes)
3. Semantic flattening (the dulling and standardization of language use towards reflexive repetition of codes of systemic reproduction)
4. Behavioural conditioning (the limiting of imaginative capacity and creative potential by the channeling of behaviour into operationally defined grooves)

When these processes dominate society, we fall into what Stiegler refers to as a “proletarianization” of mind, a general mindset unaware and / or unwilling to potentialize itself except as a function of the system in which it partakes, a society of individuals who cannot see themselves beyond how society sees them and define themselves limitedly as such [9]. Part of addressing that problem, of course, is promoting knowledge of the problem as a means to stimulate thought and action, and in a society that seems to be becoming ever more reflexive, encouraging reflection seems crucial. Of course, the weapon of the theorist in this effort is the theory itself, an idea through which we will now take a detour.

Enzymatic Knowledge Machines

“A theory is exactly like a box of tools. It has nothing to do with the signifier. It must be useful. It must function.”

Deleuze and Guattari [2].

This theory of the precarious contemporary position of subjectivity is intended as a symbolically textured tool, an “enzymatic knowledge machine” (EKM), aimed to enhance and intensify that subjectivity through alerting it to its precarity. EKMs can be defined as abstract machinic assemblages of functional conceptual elements that are designed to be “plugged in” to psychic systems with the explicit goal of transformative catalyses that are reproduced outwards from subjects to culture. The enzymatic knowledge machine aims to borrow the stimulative operatonality of technocapitalism to turn it against itself.

Of course, EKMs are not intended to be dogmatic statements of truth, an orientation that would undermine their spirit. They are rather modes of knowledge catalysis that may help to provide a means to resist degradative manipulation by abstract social machines of conditioning that encourage us to outsource our cognitive capacities, bureaucratize our mental states, and degrade our semantic salience.

“Freedom is the ontological condition of ethics. But ethics is the considered form that freedom takes when it is informed by reflection.”

Foucault [4].

A theory as EKM then is an epistemic protective that aims to catalyze active reflection against passive reflexivity. In doing so, it offers resistance to subsumption by higher level systemic processes through the establishment of thought and behaviors that enhance and intensify contextual understanding and creative activity on the autopoietic level of subjectivity. This creative activity, or ethic, amounts to subjectivity taking a stand as a system in the hierarchy of systems by consciously situating itself as a locus around which other systems ought revolve rather than submitting fully to their pull. Here, freedom is leveraged to protect against its instrumentalization at the level of hierarchy in which it sits as system. It resists hijacking by technocapitalist consumerism to maintain its ontological force in its refusal to be defined by “freedoms” whose exchange-based forms merely stage us as players in a game that is not played for our benefit and that we can never win.

“The individual is not a being but an operation.”

Simondon [8].

This ethic, it should be emphasised is both self-directed and self-emergent. It is inherent to autopoietic systems to self-intensify and self-reproduce. Though human subjects are the first level of system that can realize that they are a system nested hierarchically in other systems, they are as subject to this fundamental rule of self-reproduction as any other level and this may be self-directed to varying degrees depending on the nature of their will and that of the social will (as manifested in the mechanisms of cultural autopoiesis in which they are embedded).This underlines again the point that freedom has never been at the core of social organization, but has only ever been epiphenomenal. There has been freedom through organization but not freedom-based organization. Only an exceptional minority of individuals have ever acted as perturbations in systems and helped to reconfigure them through thinking against their sociocultural milieux. The norm has always been conformity whether or not socially recognized as such. That is, there has yet to be a society that directly arranges itself around the development of free subjectivity, its spectrum of affordances and capacities, and, above all, its essential creativity.

In technocapitalism, we have nominal freedoms and many would claim we are freer than ever, but the dominant mode of organization centres around economic growth, and this is the socio-evolutionary backdrop against which cultures unquestioningly compete. Ostensible freedoms are ideologically shepherded towards freedom of consumer choice, with the unspoken proviso that one must continue to consume. A form of freedom is encouraged in so far as it serves an advantage, but it is clearly and forcefully directed towards participative conformity in economic growth. The freedom to say “no” to economic imperatives is concomitantly marginalized along with anyone who dares exercise it. Further, while the full spectrum of human agency seems to offer the mutative and creative perturbations in societies that may allow for advance, there is no ironclad reason to think technocapitalism cannot as previously mentioned, evolve towards an increasingly limited form of freedom and, by extension, subjectivity. That is, qualitative freedom, in its scope and depth, may become a limitation for the system and so operationally acted against, particularly in a flattening globalized form of operation that is eliminating external cultural stressors through a technologically driven monopolization of the symbolic sphere. and therefore relies less on the mutative advantages self-meaningful subjects offer.

Furthermore, this drive towards a cultural monopoly should certainly not be taken in its material advance through economic growth even as a means to equitably serve basic human needs. In our most developed states, problems such as falling living standards, the reduction of life expectancy and poorer health outcomes, both mental and physical, increasingly unsustainable jumps in inequality, continued environmental degradation point to potential regression on all human levels. Quantitative growth continues and seems destined to continue, but qualitative growth, like freedom itself, is much more precarious. Not only are we as far as ever from a society where subjectivity comes first, where economic growth is the incidental outcome of the fostering of free and healthy subjectivities rather than vice versa, we seem to be intent on destroying the social and environmental grounds of subjectivity’s ongoing development in a blind effort at eternal expansion. In this respect, society itself seems to be suffering from the same irrational self-defeating compulsivity it inflicts on its members.

“The philosopher is not wise, but an “idiot”, since he does not possess wisdom as a given but rather seeks it as something that does not pre-exist”

Deleuze and Guattari [3].

Whether or not we can turn this situation around and create social structures based around the fostering of subjectivity is open to debate. And, as mentioned, any theory espousing this, even as a potential, must stand against self-dogmatisation in order to present itself seriously as a path towards self and social transformation. This necessitates a form of ironic self-awareness whereby the theory acknowledges its transient symbolic situatedness in and dependence on the very structures it seeks to change. Theory must preach but also mock itself as an “idiot” in the church of the sacred—never a denizen but always a refugee. And so enzymatic knowledge machines must always inhere a note of self-deprecation, a nod towards their discardability in contexts that are always in the process of change and retransfigure theory in accordance with circumstance. This particular theory of freedom as precarity—with the modest aim of presenting a grounds on which to catalyse knowledge of the dangers of taking human values, meaning, and creativity for granted in a technocapitalist cultures—is one such refugee of the sacred that requests only the provisional respect of reflection on its claims.

Conclusion

What we have outlined above is a warning that situates human subjects in a diachronic hierarchy between biological and social reality and a synchronic relationship with other subjects that both potentializes and creates their status as free agents. However, we claim that the nested system that is the human, self-aware, subject is sandwiched between other self-reproducing (“autopoietic”) systems which can be semantically operative without agency. This amounts to positing our agency as a contingent and precarious epiphenomenon of operations alien in their telos to our well-being. We have also claimed that the rapid advance of technocapitalism make an awareness of this all the more salient and urgent. The overall implication of our claims is that technocapitalism is a global cultural machine for producing nominally free subjectivities while eroding ontological freedom. It creates and processes subjectivity as a product to be sold (e.g. to advertisers) and converted into more capital. In fact, we claim capital, in its operation through autopoietic social systems for which freedom is epiphenomenal, essentially expands through monetizing the conversion of ontological to nominal freedom. The ultimate result of this, we have cautioned, may be an irreversible decline of both culture and the subjects that form it.

Further, we have characterised theory as useful only in so far as it catalyses action in accordance with the logic of its claims, and we have expressed the hope that this brief introductory analysis may help combat the positive feedback loop of consumer capture and production with a contrary positive feedback loop of knowledge capture and production. Finally, in doing all this, we encourage the reader to subject our theory to as careful a reflective scrutiny as we suggest the cultural environment in which we live ought be subjected to and to do this in the spirit of improving us all.

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1. Deleuze, Gilles, and Félix Guattari: A Thousand Plateaus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia (1980).
2. Deleuze, Giles, and Felix Guattari Anti-Oedipus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia (1972).
3. Deleuze, Giles, and Felix Guattari: What Is Philosophy? (1991).
4. Foucault, Michel. "The Ethics of the Concern of the Self as a Practice of Freedom" (1984).
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Comments (50)

Jamal June 02, 2025 at 04:37 #991538
Excellent work!

It shares concerns with a recent discussion in the Negative Dialectics reading group, about Adorno's claim that human beings were "becoming ideology," by which he meant that subjectivity was becoming no more than a construct of commodification and the culture industry. In that discussion I also happened to mention Hans-Georg Moeller's theory of profilicity, which is centrally based on Niklas Luhmann's systems theory.

I hope to come back and say something more interesting.
Count Timothy von Icarus June 02, 2025 at 19:25 #991683
Agreed, excellent work.

But from a psychic and qualitative point of view, the situation is not so straightforward. While disparate cultures conflict in their values, sometimes violently so, and homogenising them might therefore seem superficially desirable, values are the subject’s fulcrum of meaning and, beyond the dictats of pure survival, meaning is ultimately what lends quality to life.


:up: I am seeing a similarity to the thread of Schiller here.

From a social constructivist perspective, subjects simultaneously imply and ground each other.


And, interestingly, its a conclusion that follows from some quite different perspectives as well (a sign of rigor/resilience, the philosophical equivalent of a robustness check?). That things aren't wholly intelligible in themselves, and that they "give being to one another," through their interactions is an insight people seem to come to from many different angles (e.g. process metaphysics, systems biology, even elements of Islamic and scholastic "Neo-Platonism").

So, to this point:

But culture does not replicate itself with full fidelity because its subjects are not entirely defined culturally. And because of this, it can mutate quickly, especially when under stress


...I wonder if there is a useful analogy to biology, with both species' populations/lineages and individual organisms' ongoing struggle to maintain/achieve their form (entelecheia, "staying-at-work-being-itself"). But then there is an obvious difference in some ways as well. Societies are not organisms. Men are more members than parts. An arm or a liver does not decide to drop off a body and the. go on to flourish more in isolation, but this may happen with a man.

That is, though social systems operate on the basis of “structural couplings” with agentic subjects, they can be considered semantically operative without minds or agency [ibid]. In this scaling up of the subject to the interoperative group, freedom, even if we grant it as implied by what we know as culture, is secondary to the functioning of communicative code and not something that society seeks to protect. It may offer adaptability advantages and that may be what has preserved it up until now, but that does not mean culture cannot theoretically leave freedom behind to a large or even total degree even if that ultimately means culture becoming so rigid it destroys itself as recognizably cultural and reverts to something more akin to insect sociality along the lines of Star Trek's “Borg”.


There are those that argue that liberalism, through spurring on increased economic and technological growth, makes itself more immune to internal revolt (through the provision of goods and services) and more resilient in the face of external threats (e.g. economic production and technology wins wars). Some consequential actions have been based on this idea. For example, some authoritarian states, e.g. the PRC, have liberalized specifically because they see it as a path to greater military and economic strength (and thus state/cultural survival).

This is a sort of "Whig history meets natural selection" (oftentimes Hegelian) narrative. I am not sure how well it will hold up in the face of history though. China only liberalized so much, but has grown plenty powerful. The liberal erosion of culture seems to offer some serious challenges for its own survival. So, it's an open question if the needs of survival push societies towards freedom.

But for Hegel at least, the mature state is different from what you've described. While the promotion of freedom and happiness are merely implicit in other institutions — an emergent phenomenon — Hegel’s state is a rational, self-conscious, entity — one which “acts in accordance with known ends,” and which, “knows what it wills.” Perhaps, even on some readings, a "group mind."

Arguably for Hegel, and for Solovyov later, or Dante as a precursor to Hegel, a key element of freedom is the freedom of societies, as a whole, to become the sort of societies they want to be (fullfilling their own idealization/form). This would, I would assume, mean not falling into dystopian "high level equilibrium traps" à la A Brave New World, the Borg, etc., but instead would feature a sort of moral and aesthetic freedom at the corporate level (which for Hegel, individuals positively identify with qua individuals). Basically, the social welfare function is shaped by the state and culture (which are shaped by history and reason at work in history) such that people prefer social states where each other's individual and corporate freedom is maximized. But how exactly this works is another question. The "natural selection + Whig history" narrative," to my mind, seems fully capable of producing dystopia instead (which, for a Hegelian, might just mean it is incomplete!).

Other theorists (e.g. Seth Lloyd [5]) have extended this “code primacy” further down through biology into physics to position communication as fundamental to reality. They posit a code-based metaphysics whereby the transfer, overlap, reconfiguring and layering of code is at the root of what manifests as physical, mental and social reality. Everything becomes reducible, in theory, to code-based systems which, while they ultimately manifest a form of human agency, again can’t be said to “need” it.

In this pan-semiotic ontology whereby matter in its observable form emerges from code and reality consists of layers of autopoietic coding systems, free subjectivity is just another layer that emerges when technics (in Simondon and Stiegler’s sense of symbolic affordances, especially language) appears in humans. But whether or not code goes “all the way down”, if human subjectivity is nested between code-based biological and social systems, which potentialize meaning without freedom, then agency is always contingent and precarious and should be recognized as such rather than accepted as humanity's biological and social given.


I used to be very taken with this sort of view, but it seems to me that it can be taken in two very different directions depending on whether or not we are talking about a "reduction" to information or not. "Code all the way down," can come to mean something based in a sort of computational mechanism, or it can mean something like "intelligibility from to top all the way down." There is a reducibility to information (the bit or qbit), but then also a context-dependence that always points outside itself. These point in different directions. The picture can be turned either way I guess (that's David Bentley Hart's point in All Things Are Made of Gods, although he things the picture only actually makes sense when the "lower/smaller/material" is ordered to the "higher/greater/intelligible.")

But whether or not code goes “all the way down”, if human subjectivity is nested between code-based biological and social systems, which potentialize meaning without freedom, then agency is always contingent and precarious and should be recognized as such rather than accepted as humanity's biological and social given.


:up: Although if freedom is at least partially defined in terms of a relative capacity for self-organization, self-determination, and self-governance, it would seem that the human individual is always a locus of these to some degree (as even the ant or fern is). But another level to self-determination would be the capacity of the individual to transcend the relative constraints of both the higher cultural level and the lower biological level, and to shape both. This seems to vary dramatically in different lives.

This goes back to the prior point about the reductive versus the global, bigism versus smallism, the world as a colocation of bits (symbols), versus as a single, universal code. There are a lot of interesting dialectical oppositions here, this being just one. It might be that a [I]via media[/I] is needed to explain human freedom, and freedom for the whole might require the freedom of the member (as opposed to part) to mature first (as attainment to true personhood, hypostasis), as in Solovyov.

I suppose the exact nature and ontological foundation of personhood is important here.

They are, in Stieglers sense, “pharmacological” in nature; both a curative and a toxin [9]. As a curative, they offer us knowledge and contexts in which to creatively utilize them, marking us as unique individuals in so doing. This is what Stiegler, following Simondon, refers to as “individuation” [8][9]. But as a toxin, they “consume” subjectivity as a substrate and dissolve it, making us passive, conforming, and reliant (“disindividuation”) [ibid].


Very interesting.

, a society of individuals who cannot see themselves beyond how society sees them and define themselves limitedly as such


An apt description of the research I've seen on the mental illness/social media nexus.

This creative activity, or ethic, amounts to subjectivity taking a stand as a system in the hierarchy of systems by consciously situating itself as a locus around which other systems ought revolve rather than submitting fully to their pull.


Also interesting. "The Sabbath was created for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27). Although here, there is perhaps a tension, in that higher systems often fulfill the role of trying to reduce friction between individuals (including frictions over [I]which[/I] individuals higher systems should revolve around). One of the defining features of late capitalism is that the state and technology must constantly expand into every corner of human life to fulfill this role because other institutions, norms, practices, etc. have atrophied away.

This underlines again the point that freedom has never been at the core of social organization, but has only ever been epiphenomenal. There has been freedom through organization but not freedom-based organization. Only an exceptional minority of individuals have ever acted as perturbations in systems and helped to reconfigure them through thinking against their sociocultural milieux. The norm has always been conformity whether or not socially recognized as such. That is, there has yet to be a society that directly arranges itself around the development of free subjectivity, its spectrum of affordances and capacities, and, above all, its essential creativity.


I wonder about this. Is the bolded, even if it is true, evidence of the preceding sentences? What is the relationship between freedom in society and the rejection of a society by its members? If conformity is a sign of unfreedom, would freedom necessarily be exemplified in the anarchic?

Not only are we as far as ever from a society where subjectivity comes first, where economic growth is the incidental outcome of the fostering of free and healthy subjectivities rather than vice versa, we seem to be intent on destroying the social and environmental grounds of subjectivity’s ongoing development in a blind effort at eternal expansion. In this respect, society itself seems to be suffering from the same irrational self-defeating compulsivity it inflicts on its members.


:up:

"My particular end should become identified with the universal end… otherwise the state is left in the air. The state is actual only when its members have a feeling of their own self-hood and it is stable only when public and private ends are identical. It has often been said that the end of the state is the happiness of the citizens. That is perfectly true. If all is not well with them, if their subjective aims are not satisfied, if they do not find that the state as such is the means to their satisfaction, then the footing of the state itself is insecure.” (G.W.F. Hegel - The Philosophy of Right)

This necessitates a form of ironic self-awareness whereby the theory acknowledges its transient symbolic situatedness in and dependence on the very structures it seeks to change. Theory must preach but also mock itself as an “idiot” in the church of the sacred—never a denizen but always a refugee


I do wonder if this sort of thing works against something like Schiller's notion of "play" though. There is always a sort of distancing, like the adolescent who is no longer sure they can embrace the vigorous play of their younger friend for fear of seeming foolish. Yet I also recall Pope Benedict invoking Schiller's same notion of play for the most serious of all things (from his perspective), the liturgy.

The theory of an EKM, by its nature, cannot be the theoria of the gnostikos, just as Virgil knows his Aeneas cannot [I]be[/I] pietas itself. But Aeneas does try, even if he fails. The Dao that can be named is not the eternal Dao. The Logos that has begining and end, is not the Logos. Or something like that. :cool:

Vera Mont June 02, 2025 at 19:57 #991687
Quoting Moliere
This essay amounts to a critique of a consumerist culture that is driven by technology and rooted in capitalism.

You've got my vote right there! The rest of that first paragraphs elicits interest, curiosity and brings a host of long-held beliefs and long withheld doubts to the fore. I find myself lining up possible responses even before I've read the arguments.

The essay is challenging and rather long, so I shall have to read it in sections, reflect and comment before continuing.

Quoting Moliere
It hardly seems an exaggeration to claim, for example, that globalized technocapitalism is engaged in a form of hyper-symbolization that is overwriting individual cultures and the values they inhere

I wholeheartedly agree with this observation. Moreover, it seems evident that the globalized symbology is a superficial palimpsest that merely obscures the cultural ones, so that, whatever mitigating effect it has on conflicting values doesn't equal the blurring of integrity.

Quoting Moliere
So, we cannot fully pin down or exhaust the meaning of a word, for example, through a dictionary defnition; there is always an excess to meaning that can expand or redirect itself. The fact that words change meaning over time, sometimes very quickly, is testament to this.

The problem here is that when the meaning of a word changes very quickly, that rarely happens by the mutual consent of all speakers of that language. It is either deliberately directed by a powerful interested party, or the new meaning is introduced by an influential technological entity. So, the change does not reach all users of that word at the same rate, isn't accepted by all and becomes contentious. This is an impediment to intelligible communication. When many words are altered rapidly, the shift can cause breakdowns in communication at every level of society.
Quoting Moliere
But culture does not replicate itself with full fidelity because its subjects are not entirely defined culturally. And because of this, it can mutate quickly, especially when under stress

It bacame more difficult for each generation of parents in the 20th century to prepare their children for a successful adulthood. The world in which the parents were grounded had changed, changed radically or ceased to exist by the time the children reached maturity. Now, it's difficult even to communicate between generations, let alone share values in a coherent culture.
Quoting Moliere
Social systems use communication as their particular mode of autopoietic reproduction. The elements of the system are produced and reproduced by the system itself.”

When communication breaks down, the culture also becomes fractured. If there are more than a few superficial fractures, the culture is in danger of imploding. Ant colonies are highly adaptive (hence the ubiquity of ants in all environments) while human ones can only take so much stress, so many shocks and still function.

TBC






Vera Mont June 02, 2025 at 23:41 #991713
Quoting Moliere
It may offer adaptability advantages and that may be what has preserved it up until now, but that does not mean culture cannot theoretically leave freedom behind to a large or even total degree even if that ultimately means culture becoming so rigid it destroys itself as recognizably cultural and reverts to something more akin to insect sociality along the lines of Star Trek's “Borg”.

The Borg are a better analogy to ossified cultures than are ants, although the Borg, too, have a degree of adaptability. Ants do it through chemical communication and social engineering, Borg do it through adaptive technology. Human societies can be destroyed utterly by sudden changes in climate or the inability to change strategy when confronted by superior force.

Quoting Moliere
Though meaning is preserved at all levels, freedom in both directions from the subject is decoupled from meaning-making with the operation of communicative code instead enacting it.

This, I don't understand at all.
Quoting Moliere
When these processes dominate society, we fall into what Stiegler refers to as a “proletarianization” of mind, a general mindset unaware and / or unwilling to potentialize itself except as a function of the system in which it partakes

This is observably true, not only in technological societies, but in all societies with a rigidly imposed top-down value system, such as monarchies, theocracies and ideological dictatorships. Economic oligarchies use more subtle means and allow some internal movement, because they need innovation and skill from masses.
Quoting Moliere
EKMs can be defined as abstract machinic assemblages of functional conceptual elements that are designed to be “plugged in” to psychic systems with the explicit goal of transformative catalyses that are reproduced outwards from subjects to culture.

How does this plugging-in take place?

TBC
Vera Mont June 03, 2025 at 17:58 #991869
Quoting Moliere
Freedom is the ontological condition of ethics. But ethics is the considered form that freedom takes when it is informed by reflection.”

I had to ask the Google bot what this means. The concept seems to be eating its tail.

Quoting Moliere
That is, there has yet to be a society that directly arranges itself around the development of free subjectivity, its spectrum of affordances and capacities, and, above all, its essential creativity.

How would that happen? Would the result still be identifiable as a society?

Quoting Moliere
Ostensible freedoms are ideologically shepherded towards freedom of consumer choice, with the unspoken proviso that one must continue to consume.

And a loudly spoken corollary that we continue to produce, whether the products are useful and beneficial or not. Beef, guns, litigation, money-lending are all part of the GDP; as long as their arbitrary price tag keeps rising, there is growth. I submit that no person who has to work 10-12 hours a day to service his debts can be said to be free in any sense.

Quoting Moliere
In this respect, society itself seems to be suffering from the same irrational self-defeating compulsivity it inflicts on its members

And that its members inflict on society. It should be mentioned that a small minority of individuals has a wildly disproportionate influence on the direction both of economics and culture.

Quoting Moliere
Whether or not we can turn this situation around and create social structures based around the fostering of subjectivity is open to debate. And, as mentioned, any theory espousing this, even as a potential, must stand against self-dogmatisation in order to present itself seriously as a path towards self and social transformation.

It doesn't present itself: a human person like Like George Mitchell, Karl Marx and Jacques Fresco have to introduce an idea. They were pretty serious and widely ignored, misrepresented or denigrated by large societies intent on different paths.

I found this essay both compelling and off-putting. The central idea, if my understanding of it is correct, does certainly fit my perception of the world in which I live. However, the language is ten degrees too abstruse for me and some of the concepts, beyond my ability to visualize. I don't recommend it as a tool-kit for the average producer, voter and consumer.


Amity June 08, 2025 at 06:33 #992898
Quoting Vera Mont
The essay is challenging and rather long, so I shall have to read it in sections, reflect and comment before continuing.


This essay is not a breeze. Ironically, it's the first time I've been tempted to use AI for translation purposes. I appreciate your engagement and recognise the struggle to fully comprehend.

Quoting Vera Mont
The central idea, if my understanding of it is correct, does certainly fit my perception of the world in which I live. However, the language is ten degrees too abstruse for me and some of the concepts, beyond my ability to visualize. I don't recommend it as a tool-kit for the average producer, voter and consumer.


I found a toolkit. https://dumbitdown.ai/
And found it all too amusing. 3 sections:
I a)
Original:
This essay amounts to a critique of a consumerist culture that is driven by technology and rooted in capitalism. The proximate goal is not to suggest alternative political systems but to offer conceptual tools to help protect free subjectivity as a creative and self-creating force through presenting in a brief introductory way a theory concerning its cultural situatedness. This theory is grounded in a constructivist paradigm that sees subjects as both biologically and socially constituted, and it leverages the difference between the ontological freedom inherent to subjectivity and socially granted nominal freedoms to highlight the former’s precarity in our increasingly technosocial milieu.

b) Dumbed down:
This essay criticizes a culture focused on buying things, which is driven by technology and capitalism. The main aim is not to propose new political ideas, but to provide tools to help people maintain their creativity and individuality. It briefly explains a theory about how our culture shapes us. This theory is based on the idea that we are shaped by both our biology and society. It points out the difference between the true freedom we have as individuals and the limited freedoms given to us by society, showing how the first one is at risk in today's tech-driven world.

2 a)
Original:
This theory of the precarious contemporary position of subjectivity is intended as a symbolically textured tool, an “enzymatic knowledge machine” (EKM), aimed to enhance and intensify that subjectivity through alerting it to its precarity. EKMs can be defined as abstract machinic assemblages of functional conceptual elements that are designed to be “plugged in” to psychic systems with the explicit goal of transformative catalyses that are reproduced outwards from subjects to culture. The enzymatic knowledge machine aims to borrow the stimulative operatonality of technocapitalism to turn it against itself.

Of course, EKMs are not intended to be dogmatic statements of truth, an orientation that would undermine their spirit. They are rather modes of knowledge catalysis that may help to provide a means to resist degradative manipulation by abstract social machines of conditioning that encourage us to outsource our cognitive capacities, bureaucratize our mental states, and degrade our semantic salience.

b) Dumbed down:
This idea talks about a special tool called an “enzymatic knowledge machine” (EKM) that helps people understand and improve their own thoughts and feelings by making them aware of their fragile situation. EKMs are like different parts that can connect to our minds to help us change for the better and influence culture in a positive way. They aim to use the powerful aspects of modern technology and capitalism against their negative effects.

EKMs are not meant to be strict rules or truths; instead, they are ways to help us think for ourselves and resist outside influences that try to control how we think, make us less aware, or simplify our understanding.

3 a)
Original:
What we have outlined above is a warning that situates human subjects in a diachronic hierarchy between biological and social reality and a synchronic relationship with other subjects that both potentializes and creates their status as free agents. However, we claim that the nested system that is the human, self-aware, subject is sandwiched between other self-reproducing (“autopoietic”) systems which can be semantically operative without agency. This amounts to positing our agency as a contingent and precarious epiphenomenon of operations alien in their telos to our well-being. We have also claimed that the rapid advance of technocapitalism make an awareness of this all the more salient and urgent. The overall implication of our claims is that technocapitalism is a global cultural machine for producing nominally free subjectivities while eroding ontological freedom. It creates and processes subjectivity as a product to be sold (e.g. to advertisers) and converted into more capital. In fact, we claim capital, in its operation through autopoietic social systems for which freedom is epiphenomenal, essentially expands through monetizing the conversion of ontological to nominal freedom. The ultimate result of this, we have cautioned, may be an irreversible decline of both culture and the subjects that form it.

b) Dumbed down:
This text talks about how humans are caught between biological needs and social pressures. It says that while we think we are free to make choices, our freedom is influenced by many other systems around us that don't need to think or have awareness. These systems can affect us in ways that might not always be good for our well-being. The rise of technology and capitalism makes this situation more important to understand. The main point is that capitalism creates a false sense of freedom while actually taking it away, treating individual identities as products that can be sold. This can lead to a serious decline in both culture and the people who make it.

***
Clearly, some find this essay excellent. They can relate to the writing because they share the language and can connect. Already primed, as in:

Quoting Jamal
It shares concerns with a recent discussion in the Negative Dialectics reading group, about Adorno's claim that human beings were "becoming ideology," by which he meant that subjectivity was becoming no more than a construct of commodification and the culture industry. In that discussion I also happened to mention Hans-Georg Moeller's theory of profilicity, which is centrally based on Niklas Luhmann's systems theory.

I hope to come back and say something more interesting.


I really hope you do.

***
I am now sold on using AI. I acknowledge my ignorance re the issues discussed. But I get the general gist, I think. The risk to humans minds if too reliant on machines. Buying into the laziness of non-thinking. That's what I got, anyway. Grateful for further clarification. In plain English, if you please.

Quoting Vera Mont
When these processes dominate society, we fall into what Stiegler refers to as a “proletarianization” of mind, a general mindset unaware and / or unwilling to potentialize itself except as a function of the system in which it partakes
— Moliere
This is observably true, not only in technological societies, but in all societies with a rigidly imposed top-down value system, such as monarchies, theocracies and ideological dictatorships.


***

The main point is that capitalism creates a false sense of freedom while actually taking it away, treating individual identities as products that can be sold. This can lead to a serious decline in both culture and the people who make it.


If this dumbed-down version is correct, then I think it is probably true, up to a point. However, technology and its use has many effects - some are clearly beneficial as an aid to understanding. It is a tool and like any tool, it's only as good as its user. But we already know that, don't we?

***

Finally, I don't mean to disrespect the author but I'm reminded of the Sokal hoax. Now being re-run in research:

Quoting The Atlantic - What the New Sokal Hoax Reveals About Academia
Pluckrose, and Boghossian set out to rerun the original hoax, only on a much larger scale. Call it Sokal Squared.

Generally speaking, the journals that fell for Sokal Squared publish respected scholars from respected programs. For example, Gender, Place and Culture, which accepted one of the hoax papers, has in the past months published work from professors at UCLA, Temple, Penn State, Trinity College Dublin, the University of Manchester, and Berlin’s Humboldt University, among many others.

The sheer craziness of the papers the authors concocted makes this fact all the more shocking. One of their papers reads like a straightforward riff on the Sokal Hoax. Dismissing “western astronomy” as sexist and imperialist, it makes a case for physics departments to study feminist astrology—or practice interpretative dance—instead:

Other means superior to the natural sciences exist to extract alternative knowledges about stars and enriching astronomy, including ethnography and other social science methodologies, careful examination of the intersection of extant astrologies from around the globe, incorporation of mythological narratives and modern feminist analysis of them, feminist interpretative dance (especially with regard to the movements of the stars and their astrological significance), and direct application of feminist and postcolonial discourses concerning alternative knowledges and cultural narratives.

The paper that was published in Gender, Place and Culture seems downright silly. “Human Reaction to Rape Culture and Queer Performativity at Urban Dog Parks in Portland, Oregon” claims to be based on in situ observation of canine rape culture in a Portland dog park. “Do dogs suffer oppression based upon (perceived) gender?” the paper asks.



Academic fields are important and mainly to be trusted. However, there is an uncomfortable truth that AI or similar can plug in a hoax re serious subjects like race, gender, sexuality. Crucial topics must be carefully scrutinised and not accepted on face value.








Vera Mont June 08, 2025 at 13:33 #992977
I find the Google bot a handy interpreter sometimes. If the subject is important or interesting enough, I follow it up on institutional or encyclopedic sites, but it's a good signpost to start an investigation. It does, however, often misinterpret the question.

As for the subject of the essay, I suppose we're about to witness some major ructions in that global techno-economic system. Who knows how things will have changed by the end of this decade? There must be some accessible mental tools for regular people to cope with the approaching turbulence.
Amity June 10, 2025 at 06:55 #993383
Quoting Vera Mont
There must be some accessible mental tools for regular people to cope with the approaching turbulence.


And so, the demand is created:

Quoting Author
EKMs can be defined as abstract machinic assemblages of functional conceptual elements that are designed to be “plugged in” to psychic systems with the explicit goal of transformative catalyses that are reproduced outwards from subjects to culture. The enzymatic knowledge machine aims to borrow the stimulative operatonality of technocapitalism to turn it against itself.

Of course, EKMs are not intended to be dogmatic statements of truth, an orientation that would undermine their spirit. They are rather modes of knowledge catalysis that may help to provide a means to resist degradative manipulation by abstract social machines of conditioning that encourage us to outsource our cognitive capacities, bureaucratize our mental states, and degrade our semantic salience.


Quoting Vera Mont
How does this plugging-in take place?


Oh, God. This is hilarious. The sales pitch for EKMs. Buy one, get one free! Batteries not included.

unenlightened June 10, 2025 at 08:31 #993396
I'm not competent to comment in detail in this; it is too steeped in postmodern considerations that are beyond me, or beneath me, I'm not sure which. But I can make some comment perhaps from a psychological perspective that might be helpful or confusing'

Quoting Moliere
“Freedom is the ontological condition of ethics. But ethics is the considered form that freedom takes when it is informed by reflection.”

Foucault [4].


This is a restatement of the biblical story of the Fall. The escape from the determination of physical law necessarily results in the institution of moral law. To be free is to face the conflict between selfish desire and social responsibility


Quoting Moliere
The overall implication of our claims is that technocapitalism is a global cultural machine for producing nominally free subjectivities while eroding ontological freedom. It creates and processes subjectivity as a product to be sold (e.g. to advertisers) and converted into more capital. In fact, we claim capital, in its operation through autopoietic social systems for which freedom is epiphenomenal, essentially expands through monetizing the conversion of ontological to nominal freedom. The ultimate result of this, we have cautioned, may be an irreversible decline of both culture and the subjects that form it.


Quoting Amity
The main point is that capitalism creates a false sense of freedom while actually taking it away, treating individual identities as products that can be sold. This can lead to a serious decline in both culture and the people who make it.

(Amity's dumbitdown version)

"individual identities" are what we are being sold, what we are told is important, and they are nothing else than the sum of the consumer choices we make. It follows that wealth is freedom. But consumer choices are not moral choices.

But it goes deeper: identities are not individual. Identities are necessarily external to the individual in origin and are interiorised by imposition or incorporation. To say that I am this or that, a philosopher or a buffoon, is to identify with a type, to join a club, and this, whether I say it or you do. Identification denies individuality. Race, gender, nationality, profession, football team, favourite shampoo, favourite philosopher, neurotype, there is nothing individual in any of it. Individuals are inexplicable, incomparable, unlimited, unique.

So one watches helpless as what I like to call "the community" (that which arises from communication) dissolves in the acid of the bullshit of "Sovereign Individuals", the logical apotheosis of the contradictory individual identity, that is entirely arbitrarily made-up, as there is no truth of the matter. The world is destroyed by mere cyphers, masquerading as 'characters', addicted to the fake freedom of money.
Vera Mont June 10, 2025 at 17:46 #993479
Quoting unenlightened
Individuals are inexplicable, incomparable, unlimited, unique.

Made up of the traits all humans share, what we were each born with, what we've been given and had impressed upon us, what we've learned and experienced, what we've done and thought, what bonds and enmities we've formed. And yet, being social animals, we each profess an identity, whether it's a facile label stuck on for convenience or a set of signals we choose to broadcast. We need to be identified so that we can interact with other individuals.
Quoting unenlightened
The world is destroyed by mere cyphers, masquerading as 'characters', addicted to the fake freedom of money.

I love :starstruck: this sentence!
Count Timothy von Icarus June 11, 2025 at 11:39 #993624
Reply to unenlightened

(Amity's dumbitdown version)

"individual identities" are what we are being sold, what we are told is important, and they are nothing else than the sum of the consumer choices we make. It follows that wealth is freedom. But consumer choices are not moral choices.

But it goes deeper: identities are not individual. Identities are necessarily external to the individual in origin and are interiorised by imposition or incorporation. To say that I am this or that, a philosopher or a buffoon, is to identify with a type, to join a club, and this, whether I say it or you do. Identification denies individuality. Race, gender, nationality, profession, football team, favourite shampoo, favourite philosopher, neurotype, there is nothing individual in any of it. Individuals are inexplicable, incomparable, unlimited, unique.


I agree to some extent with this sentiment, but I think identity can be an important, even essential element of particularity, as does situatedness in history. It's what makes the individual a meaningful individual. However, when these identities exist within a system where identity is simply consumed, where the bare agent, as consumer/worker, always comes first and can always abandon their duties "when they really want to," then they become pernicious, precarious shadows.

However, with Hegel and much of the classical tradition, I would argue that being a good father, doctor, scientist, teacher, citizen, city council member, deacon, etc. represents involvement in a common good that represents the higher fulfillment of man's telos (rather than merely a source of individual goods).

This would certainly seem to be the case in most pre-modern literature. There is no Aeneas without the Trojans; Dante remains a Florentine even exiled and under threat of execution; Boethius is a Roman even as he awaits death at the hands of the state he once managed. The individual is potentially infinite, if they recognize their true nature, but also reducible to a mere colocation of inchoate desires, assets, and human capital by the current system.


I'd say a difficulty of capitalism and liberalism is that it undermines these identities, and does so intentionally, as a means to empower people through this sort of pseudo-liberty. There is a sort of unbearable lightness to the being of man as capital and "project."
unenlightened June 11, 2025 at 14:51 #993665
Quoting Count Timothy von Icarus
I think identity can be an important, even essential element of particularity, as does situatedness in history. It's what makes the individual a meaningful individual.


Well of course - I think You are saying that identity is important socially? for sure, but psychologically, it is a contradiction as an individuality. When I go to the doctor I want to see a member of that professional body trained and vetted and supervised by them - not a quack! But identity is always the social form — a hat, a mask, or a costume. When a doctor retires, she does not become someone different, though she takes another role socially. It is very common for people to mistake themselves for their role, but it is always a mistake. The individual is not their identity; "the Doctor" is not one person.

Which is to say that meaning is social as language is social, and not individual and private.
Baden June 15, 2025 at 14:48 #994644
I have been outed as the author, so just a very quick comment for now. I intend to come back and say more later.

Reply to Jamal Reply to Count Timothy von Icarus

I really appreciate the positive comments, thank you. :pray:

@Amity @unenlightened @Vera Mont

On the difficulty of the text: I didn't deliberately try to complexify it, but I tried to prioritize theoretical preciseness which involved employing a lot of technical vocabulary that, understandably, the vast majority of readers were unlikely to be familiar with. In retrospect, a glossary would probably have been helpful, but I wrote most of this in the last week before the deadline and was still proofreading the above when I sent it (there even remain a few typos).

I think I can do a better job of explaining the thrust of this in the comments here than @Amity's website, so I may come back and try that later. Oh, and though the EKM part is somewhat playful and I knew ran the risk of being a bit "out there" for some, the rest is based on fairly mainstream (if mostly continental) social, scientific, and philosophical theory.

Anyhow, thanks for all the comments. I much appreciate having the opportunity to share these ideas in this format. The event really motivated me to put the work in.
Moliere June 15, 2025 at 14:57 #994647
Quoting Baden
(if mostly continental)


(if mostly the good guys, yes) ;)
Moliere June 15, 2025 at 14:58 #994648
Quoting Baden
I much appreciate having the opportunity to share these ideas in this format. The event really motivated me to put the work in.


I appreciated your essay so much because it was more than I expected -- it's a strong thesis that explains itself and causes reflection in me. I suppose now that you've revealed I'll join in the back-and-forth.
Baden June 15, 2025 at 14:59 #994649
Quoting Moliere
(if mostly the good guys, yes) ;)


:strong:

Quoting Moliere
I appreciated your essay so much because it was more than I expected -- it's a strong thesis that explains itself and causes reflection in me. I suppose now that you've revealed I'll join in the back-and-forth.


:pray:

Vera Mont June 15, 2025 at 15:08 #994650
I'm pretty sure the salient points can be translated to more accessible - if less philosophically precise - language. I would like to see that version widely disseminated....
.... so the important message could be ignored by a wider range of readers.
[sigh] I've been here before, in several formats.[!sigh]
Amity June 15, 2025 at 15:50 #994661
Quoting Baden
On the difficulty of the text: I didn't deliberately try to complexify it, but I tried to prioritize theoretical preciseness which involved employing a lot of technical vocabulary that, understandably, the vast majority of readers were unlikely to be familiar with.


I prefer the Sokal hoax interpretation. Are you telling me that you didn't use AI to technicalise the text?
I loved the inventiveness of Baden's EKM :nerd:

Quoting Baden
I think I can do a better job of explaining the thrust of this in the comments here than Amity's website, so I may come back and try that later.


I have a website?

Yes, any author should use their own thread to explain and give feedback. The other place is for a general conversation about all the other entries and authors.

Quoting Baden
Anyhow, thanks for all the comments. I much appreciate having the opportunity to share these ideas in this format. The event really motivated me to put the work in.


Really pleased that you were motivated to share your ideas here. You know how well that worked with your initiating and hosting of the Literary Event. Hope that continues December time...



NOS4A2 June 15, 2025 at 17:01 #994694
A lot of work and thought went into this Baden. Kudos.

I must admit I struggled with the jargon a little bit and had to look up some terms, but after some effort on my part I made it through. Obviously it wasn’t written for a working-class schlubs and laymen such as myself, but I imagine other critical theorists would approve. At any rate, there was a lot to think about and I felt elevated having read it.

I’ve been reading about “autopoiesis” for the past while (Principles of Biological Autonomy, by Valera, and Biological Autonomy, by Morena) as it pertains to individual biological autonomy, so it’s cool to see it presented in a sociological context.

Cheers
Baden June 16, 2025 at 09:09 #994877
Here’s some clarification on the main thrust as mentioned. I was in danger of writing a new essay, so I had to eventually just stop. Hope it helps.

The first concept worth explaining in detail here is “autopoiesis”. This, firstly, refers to systems and secondly, and more specifically, to a system’s ability to autonomously reproduce its own components. So. e.g., biological systems internally reproduce their parts without this reproduction being directly controlled by anything outside them. This means they are “operationally closed”. The set of operations that functionally defines them and reproduces them is internal and internally controlled. But autopoietic systems are at the same time environmentally open. They import and export to their environment and can both be affected by their environment and structurally coupled (explained further below) to other systems in that environment.

Biological systems, e.g. import food, and export waste, and, through sense organs, are affected by other biological systems and their material environment. So, they are not environmentally closed like, e.g. the universe, which has no external environment (that we know of) but they are also not operationally open, i.e. they don’t, unlike, e.g. a factory, produce anything other than themselves and their operations cannot directly be externally controlled (factories etc are therefore considered “allopoietic” not “autopoietic”)..

Taking this further, we can say autopoietic systems create a reality based on their own code of distinctions that is not shared with their environment and it is this code of distinctions as it is manifested operationally that creates or constructs both their internal and external realities. For example, society as a system reproduces itself on the basis of communications. Its reality is not biological or psychic or material and not reducible to the psychic or biological realms. When we speak of social functions and social institutions, we are speaking not of material or biological or psychic phenomenon, we are speaking of conglomerations of abstract signs and signals constructed and reconstructed through communications. In one way, this is straightforward social constructivism. However, the concept of structural coupling mentioned above adds some depth to it.

Social systems are structurally coupled or joined to biological and psychic systems in a way such that the three co-evolve and help to determine through irritations and perturbations of each other their respective realities. This idea requires some careful elaboration and clarification. First of all, human beings are conceived of as being made up of separate biological and psychic systems that are structurally coupled to each other. And again, we should note the irreducibility here: the psychic is not reducible to the biological and operates and reproduces itself on the basis of a different code (related to consciousness, not biological processes), but psychic and biological systems are joined and constantly irritate or perturb each other. For example, a thought or disturbance in the psyche might correspond to neurochemical or immune system activity in the body, but each system has its separate chain of causes and effects that operate in terms of their respective codes.

Further, this structurally coupled system of the body and the psyche in its further structural coupling with social systems allows subjectivity to emerge, and this is mediated largely linguistically (language is an interface across which social and psychic reality interact). So, we might say that subjectivity and language are spread across social and psychic systems, and the embodied human being is spread across psychic and biological systems. But social, psychic and biological systems are linked and while reproducing their own codes independently are constantly irritating and perturbing each other’s operations. They are both structurally coupled and form mutual environments for each other.

One consequence of looking at things this way is that it undermines the idea of an embodied human being and subject being a separate “thing” to the society in which it lives. It also undermines the idea of society as being made up of individuals. Strictly speaking, the situation looks more like a spectrum from concrete physical to abstract social reality with delineations based on code distinctions—which in turn define modes of reproduction—rather than embodiment or individuality in a simple sense. And subjectivity covers a portion of this spectrum enabled through the interface of language.

This is where the idea of freedom as precarious, especially in the face of technologically advanced media systems, becomes highly relevant. We are, in our subjectivity and in our capacity for freedom, part of any system we engage with, so it's not just that a media system can inhibit our freedoms, but an autopoietic (self-reproducing) media system if we use it in the wrong way (or are used by it in the wrong way) becomes what we are and we what it is to the extent it determines and monopolizes our behaviours through the autonomous reproduction of its own codes of communication. This occurs in a blind process of expansion and self-complexification driven (now) technologically in ways that surpass our ability to fully understand.

To provide a set of contrasting biological analogies of structural coupling to try to make this clear. Consider, the human biological system’s structural coupling with gut bacteria which is a separate biological organism. In this case, the relationship is generally symbiotic. Both systems benefit. Humans digest food more effectively and the bacteria use us as their food producing environment. Now consider the zombie-ant fungus, the structural coupling of which results in the ant being commandeered by the fungus for the fungus’ own ends in an extreme parasitic relationship. If we take the idea of systems theory as covering biological, psychic and social realms seriously, we ought realize that there is no law (and nothing we can do to institute one) that prevents social systems from being parasitic (to whatever degree) on the psychic/biological systems to which they are coupled. And the growing evidence that the media system (through its action on our psyches and associated pathologising of our dopamine cycles) reducing our capacity for pleasure, bleeding our motivation, effacing opportunities for creativity, and disrupting our relationships as it increasingly monopolizes our mental life is one indicator our freedom is not a given.

This brings us to the idea of nominal vs ontological freedom, and I’d like to dovetail with the Dante essay here. To define a triadic model of ontological freedom along the lines presented in that work, we can conceive of it as the ability to intuit correct action or outcomes, to work out a rational means to achieve them, and to maintain sufficient motivation or will to carry out our plans. This involves a positive transduction, or working across layers, of our social, psychic, and biological self-reproducing systems. It is our way of positively reproducing our subjectivity itself in the face of other independently reproducing autopoietic systems we are entwined with. And in terms of the media system, in particular, we should note, as suggested above, its effect on our intuition, our rational or critical thought, and our will is to a very large extent antithetical to our ability to actualize ontological freedom.

The contrast with nominal freedom should be quite clear. Society tends to provide more and more nominal freedoms through an expansion of choice, but it does so to provide new modes of communications which are part of its own code of self-reproduction. Any benefit for us is purely incidental and celebrating, prioritizing, and therefore over-valuing that form of freedom relative to ontological freedom is perverse and self-destructive from the point of view of subjectivity. If we continue to do this, subjectivity itself and ontological freedom will likely continue to degrade in favour of nominal freedom. This is the processing of nominal to ontological freedom mentioned in the essay and the main warning therein.
Baden June 16, 2025 at 14:05 #994935
Quoting NOS4A2
I’ve been reading about “autopoiesis” for the past while (Principles of Biological Autonomy, by Valera, and Biological Autonomy, by Morena) as it pertains to individual biological autonomy, so it’s cool to see it presented in a sociological context.


You're welcome. I appreciate you making the effort here and working your way through that. :cool:

Quoting Vera Mont
.... so the important message could be ignored by a wider range of readers.
[sigh] I've been here before, in several formats.[!sigh]


It's always worth a try. :strong:

Quoting Amity
I prefer the Sokal hoax interpretation. Are you telling me that you didn't use AI to technicalise the text?
I loved the inventiveness of Baden's EKM :nerd:


Ha, usually when I ask AI to evaluate a text of mine, it tells me it's philosophically dense and tries to rewrite it. This is the type of "help" I don't want.

Glad you like the EKM idea. :nerd:
Leontiskos June 16, 2025 at 20:02 #995002
Reply to Baden

The thread required more energy and research than I possessed, but this synopsis was helpful. This post will be a bit tangential, and inevitably simplistic in comparison with the OP.

There is an interesting trend on TPF of late which focuses on the notion of true/beneficial freedom vs false/detrimental freedom, along with the societal and political implications. This topic is something that I am interested in.

In each case it becomes particularly difficult for the author to generate motivation in favor of the true/beneficial freedom, given that the false/detrimental freedom is both taken for granted and viewed as good. Baden's essay stands out in the way that it packages this difficult task into the "EKM."

First, suppose the EKM does exist. Would it help us? I am thinking of two questions here. First, would we be able to make a strong case that the EKM should be utilized and "obeyed"? Second, would the tools at our disposal be sufficient to "shift the tide" with respect to nominal freedom and move the society in a significantly better direction? A third question might ask whether success on these fronts would create meta-problems of its own (and the OP seems to be sensitive to this question).

Second, given that the EKM does not exist, what is the best way forward? How should it be approximated?

Quoting Moliere
A theory as EKM then is an epistemic protective that aims to catalyze active reflection against passive reflexivity. In doing so, it offers resistance to subsumption by higher level systemic processes through the establishment of thought and behaviors that enhance and intensify contextual understanding and creative activity on the autopoietic level of subjectivity. This creative activity, or ethic, amounts to subjectivity taking a stand as a system in the hierarchy of systems by consciously situating itself as a locus around which other systems ought revolve rather than submitting fully to their pull. Here, freedom is leveraged to protect against its instrumentalization at the level of hierarchy in which it sits as system. It resists hijacking by technocapitalist consumerism to maintain its ontological force in its refusal to be defined by “freedoms” whose exchange-based forms merely stage us as players in a game that is not played for our benefit and that we can never win.


I read this as the idea that the EKM promotes individual agency and sovereignty. Is that completely off or just partially off?

And is capitalism bad because everything which overpowers individual agency and sovereignty is bad, or is there some further reason that capitalism is bad? I ask because there are all sorts of things that seem to overpower individual agency and sovereignty, but many of them are not seen as bad (e.g. culture, traditions, intermediate institutions, law, etc.). It seems like the OP is saying that capitalism is bad precisely because it reduces human value to a single criterion in a way that is not organic or natural with respect to the human mode of being. If that is right, then presumably the EKM must be able to identify things which overpower individual agency and sovereignty in this particular way.
Baden June 18, 2025 at 06:21 #995349
Reply to Leontiskos

I'm not quite sure from your reply how much we're on the same page re EKMs. But to clarify, EKMs are an abstract concept. The idea is that in recognition that technocapitalism creates abstract machines (such as media algorithms) that virally “plug into” our cognitive functionality and pathologize it towards habitual mental reflexivity, an EKM is a set of ideas that similarly plug into us but with the contrary intention of catalysing the kind of reflection we need to counteract media machines. This is another way of saying we need virally transmissible and catalytic abstract mechanisms to 1) help us to understand the precarity of our mental independence and 2) create frameworks of understanding that give us the epistemic confidence to act against prevailing cultural norms---to help us realize we're not alone in such "craziness". Less colourfully, we are in desperate need of sets of ideas that inspire people to divorce themselves from a system for whom their mental operations are little more than a substrate for its reproduction.

It’s interesting though that the idea might be taken literally (whether you did so or not), particularly as it reminds me that the first complete short story I wrote was called “The Soul Machine” which now that I think about it was about just such a literal machine, a machine that was being developed that we could “plug into” ourselves into give to ourselves meaning in the face of the destructively absurd cultural contingencies we are constantly beset by. So maybe that’s partly where that came from.

Re capitalism. The last thing I want to do is attack capitalism in general. That’s like throwing a boomerang and then quickly tying your hands so rather than being caught when it returns, it bangs you on the head. Capitalism in a broad sense (including Chinese “communism”) is that very ideology that has made alternatives impossible. However, even within capitalism, technocapitalism and specifically its instantiation in forms of media that monopolize us cognitively can be taken on not only through individual resistance (refusal to engage with such media or severely limiting such engagement etc.), but also through public policy. A good example is Australia’s recent ban on social media for children. But it’s hard because we can understand we are being manipulated and still reproduce the processes of manipulation. So, for example, instead of just using social media blindly, we go on social media and tell everyone how bad it is and everyone agrees and we all have a good time and feel we’ve done something and meanwhile the train rolls on ever faster.

Anyhow, my position on broad political change is that sedimented reflection over time, a cultural development that tends towards reflection rather than refexivity should organically produce improvements in social organization. The prospects for that are grim. It’s quite possible we’ve reached peak social “quality” and are on the way downhill. But it would be fatalistic to consider that a certainty and fatalism never helped anyone so…

Quoting Leontiskos
I ask because there are all sorts of things that seem to overpower individual agency and sovereignty, but many of them are not seen as bad (e.g. culture, traditions, intermediate institutions, law, etc.).


I think what's particularly bad about technocapitalism is that its suppression of ontological freedoms presents itself as an opening up of freedom through a bait and switch where ontological freedom is substituted by nominal freedoms. It's not so much that agency and sovereignty are overpowered, it's that they are made invisible to us. We become primarily a set of mental operations that reproduces a bunch of social communications and consider it an important right that we should be allowed to do so and in ever greater variety, the breadth of which obscures the lack of depth.

Having said that, I want to emphasize that it's not only that the focus of my critique is not capitalism, it's not technology either, it's the particularly combinatory force of the two in media and the particular bait and switch re freedom that is enacted through the distractive power of such media. One concept relevant to this I didn't elucidate in the text is that of the Pharmakon. I mentioned technology is "pharamcological", being both a poison and cure, but didn't mention that this idea was taken from Bernard Stiegler via Derrida from Plato's discussion of writing in "Phaedrus" where, though the advantages of writing are mentioned, the danger that a shift towards this technology would harm the human capacity for memory is also discussed. Similarly, the advantages of technology are clear enough and ideologically hammered into us, but the dangers, and particularly the dangers of seemingly benign forms, ought to be kept in mind.

There is more to say in response to your questions actually, which are very pertinent, but I'll leave it at this for now.
Leontiskos June 19, 2025 at 00:10 #995513
Quoting Baden
I'm not quite sure from your reply how much we're on the same page re EKMs. But to clarify, EKMs are an abstract concept. The idea is that in recognition that technocapitalism creates abstract machines (such as media algorithms) that virally “plug into” our cognitive functionality and pathologize it towards habitual mental reflexivity, an EKM is a set of ideas that similarly plug into us but with the contrary intention of catalysing the kind of reflection we need to counteract media machines. This is another way of saying we need virally transmissible and catalytic abstract mechanisms to 1) help us to understand the precarity of our mental independence and 2) create frameworks of understanding that give us the epistemic confidence to act against prevailing cultural norms---to help us realize we're not alone in such "craziness". Less colourfully, we are in desperate need of sets of ideas that inspire people to divorce themselves from a system for whom their mental operations are little more than a substrate for its reproduction.


Okay thanks. I may have been misunderstanding the EKM to some extent. I guess I am wondering how that abstract metaphor of a "machine" would be thought to function, even metaphorically.

For example, consider this idea:

Quoting Baden
an EKM is a set of ideas that similarly plug into us but with the contrary intention of catalysing the kind of reflection we need to counteract media machines.


There is a possible objection here which says that machines by definition cannot do this, since intention and reflection require awareness, but machines diminish awareness (or something like that). If this objection is correct then the metaphor should not be that of a machine which does something for us, because the whole thrust of the desire for greater agency is that we need to do things for ourselves, so to speak. It is the idea that to yield up autonomy to a machine won't ultimately secure greater agency.

But the deeper question is simply asking how we approximate the "EKM" to create positive change. If such an objection is correct then it will inform the manner in which this approximation is achieved. Similarly, if the objection is incorrect then this will also bear on the outcome. One facet of your OP seems to be precisely the consideration that this objection is false (or at least not wholly true). It is to consider whether the enemy can be utilized to fight the enemy. I think there must be ways in which this is possible.

I suppose I am wondering if there are (autopoietic) cultures or systems which are naturally resistant to technocapitalism. Perhaps that is what the EKM is supposed to signify? Because it would be ideal if there were a positive alternative to technocapitalism, which did not require identifying and uprooting the technocapitalistic weeds. "If you have a healthy population of [this] in your garden, the weeds will take care of themselves."

Quoting Baden
Re capitalism. The last thing I want to do is attack capitalism in general. That’s like throwing a boomerang and then quickly tying your hands so rather than being caught when it returns, it bangs you on the head. Capitalism in a broad sense (including Chinese “communism”) is that very ideology that has made alternatives impossible. However, even within capitalism, technocapitalism and specifically its instantiation in forms of media that monopolize us cognitively can be taken on not only through individual resistance (refusal to engage with such media or severely limiting such engagement etc.), but also through public policy. A good example is Australia’s recent ban on social media for children. But it’s hard because we can understand we are being manipulated and still reproduce the processes of manipulation. So, for example, instead of just using social media blindly, we go on social media and tell everyone how bad it is and everyone agrees and we all have a good time and feel we’ve done something and meanwhile the train rolls on ever faster.


Good thoughts. I agree.

Quoting Baden
I think what's particularly bad about technocapitalism is that its suppression of ontological freedoms presents itself as an opening up of freedom through a bait and switch where ontological freedom is substituted by nominal freedoms


I agree that nominal freedoms can be inimical to ontological freedom, but I am wondering if ontological freedom can exist without nominal freedoms. Do you think we would still have ontological freedom if there were no nominal freedoms? Perhaps this is something of the "pharmacological" phenomenon?

Quoting Baden
It's not so much that agency and sovereignty are overpowered, it's that they are made invisible to us. We become primarily a set of mental operations that reproduces a bunch of social communications and consider it an important right that we should be allowed to do so and in ever greater variety, the breadth of which obscures the lack of depth.


Good - that makes sense.

Quoting Baden
I mentioned technology is "pharamcological", being both a poison and cure, but didn't mention that this idea was taken from Bernard Stiegler via Derrida from Plato's discussion of writing in "Phaedrus" where, though the advantages of writing are mentioned, the danger that a shift towards this technology would harm the human capacity for memory is also discussed.


This is helpful to me given that I am familiar with that text.

Quoting Baden
Similarly, the advantages of technology are clear enough and ideologically hammered into us, but the dangers, and particularly the dangers of seemingly benign forms, ought to be kept in mind.


Right!

I am aware of the problem you are highlighting but I really don't know how to make a dent in it, especially since the advent of AI and LLMs. I'm probably pulling this in a practical direction precisely because I am ignorant of how to address the problem.

Suppose you have a dome, and you need to keep a heavy ball on the dome. The goal requires constant balance, constant attention, and constantly preventing the ball from moving in any direction at all, given that movement in any direction will destabilize the ball.

Now suppose you have a basin (an inverted dome). Everything will find its way to the bottom of the basin, sooner or later. No effort is required to force something to the bottom of the basin, and it will be difficult to prevent such things from moving to the bottom.

The problem feels like the basin image and the solutions feel like the dome image. But maybe this is because the overall topography is technocapitalistic. Obviously the most promising solutions are those that attempt to alter the topography itself, whether for individuals or for society.
Moliere June 27, 2025 at 18:51 #997501
@Baden -- Just reread trying to look for an "in" for discussion. And the thing I'm wanting more of is specification of these enzymatic knowledge machines: How do they interact with the independent flows of code such that in place of identification, or in combatting this?, we get or somehow are interrupted by knowledge? But that's a Kudos on your writing because it means I wanted more, basically. It's an interesting premise, and I like the theoretical set up between what I would call, for lack of a better word, two subjectivities -- the social subjectivity (operating independent of individual intent) and the individual subjectivity (that sense of being you which, due to social subjectivity, is often a process of identification-with and enactment).

A thought that comes to mind are Koans. They're meant to stop that circuit of the self in a way.
I like sushi June 29, 2025 at 08:23 #997752
Quoting Baden
On the difficulty of the text: I didn't deliberately try to complexify it, but I tried to prioritize theoretical preciseness which involved employing a lot of technical vocabulary that, understandably, the vast majority of readers were unlikely to be familiar with. In retrospect, a glossary would probably have been helpful, but I wrote most of this in the last week before the deadline and was still proofreading the above when I sent it (there even remain a few typos).


It shows. Any chance of a rewrite that is accessible? I can see there is something in this that is of interest to me and so I reckon we could have a pretty good discussion about this. The issue is as it stands it is asking more of me than I am willing to give.

I suffer with obtuse writing too sometimes. I feel like a lot of this would make more sense by just getting to the point early on and cutting out a lot of the technical jargon.

Quoting Moliere
What we have outlined above is a warning that situates human subjects in a diachronic hierarchy between biological and social reality and a synchronic relationship with other subjects that both potentializes and creates their status as free agents.


That can be said with much simpler wording right? If translated it actually says not much at all. I was hopeful that the following sentences would parse this in simpler terms but it just layered on the words and lost any thread of meaning it may of had.

I least it gives me hope for my own clarity in writing :)

Seriously, I am interested in what your point is here. I am not going to play a guessing game. It feels like you have a lot you want to say and tried it cram it all into a couple of thousand words when more likely a couple of hundred pages would've served better.
I like sushi July 02, 2025 at 02:46 #998249
@Baden Did you say you have read 'Psycho Politics: Neoliberalism and New Technologies of Power (Byung Chul-Han)? If not this appears to be basically the same theme.
Jamal July 02, 2025 at 13:25 #998298
Quoting Baden
On the difficulty of the text


There is nothing wrong with how it’s written. The problem is that several of the readers seem to have expected something dumbed down or put in language they’re already familiar with. As far as I’m aware this was not in the rules of the event, was it? So the complaints are just anti-intellectualism, or laziness, or both. It’s a shame that people who apparently want to be part of a philosophy discussion forum are not willing to grapple with philosophy, or perhaps do not even realize that philosophy is difficult and sometimes technical.
I like sushi July 02, 2025 at 14:09 #998305
Quoting Jamal
So the complaints are just anti-intellectualism, or laziness, or both.


No, just honest criticism not really a 'complaint'. If it shows I am not sufficiently intellectual enough so be it.

Others seem to think this is well written so I am willing to bite the bullet and give it another go, but was hoping for some discussion as to how this relates to Byung Chul-Han's work that appear to follow a very similar theme @Baden?

I am not at all ashamed to be flummoxed by it. Something come easily to some and not to others. Such is life :)
Jamal July 02, 2025 at 14:16 #998306
Reply to I like sushi

It’s perhaps telling that whenever I criticize people for anti-intellectualism or laziness they pretend I’ve implied they’re not intellectual enough. That is obviously not the case. It is fine to be flummoxed; what is not fine is to immediately complain about it to the author. Be flummoxed, and if you’re genuinely interested, de-flummox yourself, perhaps with the help of some polite questions.
Jamal July 02, 2025 at 14:19 #998308
The author put a lot of work into the essay. It deserves readers who are willing to do their own work to understand it.
Amity July 02, 2025 at 14:25 #998310
Quoting Jamal
So the complaints are just anti-intellectualism, or laziness, or both.


Hmm. Were they complaints or simply comments or questions...as to the complexity? We are not all at the same level of understanding, even if we might be on the same page. Hence, the sharing of all kinds of essay and philosophy writing. The challenge lies in good communication. @Baden is excellent at that. I've enjoyed his further explanations.

Quoting Jamal
I hope to come back and say something more interesting.


Let's hear it?

I like sushi July 02, 2025 at 14:25 #998311
Reply to Jamal It was criticism. Stop complaining! You didn't write it :D I am sure Baden can answer if he sees fit. If not, no bother.

Amity July 02, 2025 at 14:28 #998312
Quoting Jamal
It deserves readers who are willing to do their own work to understand it.


As far as that goes, yes. But discussion with others and clarification from authors go a long way. That's the whole point of the event...to learn and improve understanding. Discover new ways of looking and develop new skills. To interact and connect. Ideas and imagination.
I like sushi July 02, 2025 at 16:41 #998347
Reply to Jamal Sure as hell did! Not good enough though.

Reply to Amity Read Byung Chul-Han's 'Psychopolitics,' it is almost like he wrote a commentary of Baden's work - only more legible.

Frankly I am at a loss for words. I say these words with disbelief because I cannot fathom WHY anyone would do such a thing.
Amity July 02, 2025 at 17:26 #998357
Quoting I like sushi
Read Byung Chul-Han's 'Psychopolitics,' it is almost like he wrote a commentary of Baden's work - only more legible.


Thank you. Found and downloaded a free pdf (74 pages). Will read later...






Amity July 02, 2025 at 18:51 #998365
Quoting Baden
Amity unenlightened @Vera Mont

On the difficulty of the text: I didn't deliberately try to complexify it, but I tried to prioritize theoretical preciseness which involved employing a lot of technical vocabulary that, understandably, the vast majority of readers were unlikely to be familiar with


Quoting Jamal
The problem is that several of the readers seem to have expected something dumbed down or put in language they’re already familiar with. As far as I’m aware this was not in the rules of the event, was it?


The problem is that you are talking about 3 readers, named by Baden, who mentioned the difficulties in reading the text. He understood that. It is not fine for you to falsely depict them as making immediate complaints, implying a lack of genuine interest. Did you even read the posts written by Vera?

Starting with:
Quoting Vera Mont
This essay amounts to a critique of a consumerist culture that is driven by technology and rooted in capitalism.
— Moliere
You've got my vote right there! The rest of that first paragraphs elicits interest, curiosity and brings a host of long-held beliefs and long withheld doubts to the fore. I find myself lining up possible responses even before I've read the arguments.

The essay is challenging and rather long, so I shall have to read it in sections, reflect and comment before continuing.


Other participants/posters have not even attempted to read this essay.
There is no rule to say they must.

Quoting Jamal
It’s a shame that people who apparently want to be part of a philosophy discussion forum are not willing to grapple with philosophy, or perhaps do not even realize that philosophy is difficult and sometimes technical.


Apparently, some TPF contributors are unwilling to read different forms or styles of philosophy writing outwith their comfort zone. And those who have, and are perhaps not convinced of their value, are unwilling to share their views. There is no rule to say they must.

Quoting Jamal
It’s perhaps telling that whenever I criticize people for anti-intellectualism or laziness they pretend I’ve implied they’re not intellectual enough. That is obviously not the case. It is fine to be flummoxed; what is not fine is to immediately complain about it to the author. Be flummoxed, and if you’re genuinely interested, de-flummox yourself, perhaps with the help of some polite questions.


Correct about asking further questions and discussion. Done and dusted. Otherwise disingenuous.

As for the the 'dumbing down'. That was the ironic use of an AI website to clarify. It actually proved helpful. https://dumbitdown.ai/

Your complaints are ill-founded and unjust. The lack of appreciation to Vera, myself and others who try to read and respond to all the essays in the spirit of philosophy and fun and discovery...
Wow. Rock bottom.










Amity July 04, 2025 at 08:20 #998664
Reply to I like sushi
Quoting Amity
Read Byung Chul-Han's 'Psychopolitics,' it is almost like he wrote a commentary of Baden's work - only more legible.
— I like sushi

Thank you. Found and downloaded a free pdf (74 pages). Will read later...


I haven't had a chance to read this yet. I wonder if it would be worthwhile to start a Reading Group discussion? * Or is it not even recognised by @Baden and other commenters as having value?
If not, why not?

If it is something that improves understanding of the important issues...
It's a pity that Vera is no longer with us. To question. She provided experience, knowledge and insight which I don't have. A clear and motivated voice, even if sometimes tinged with cynicism. To return to her and Baden's final response:

Quoting Vera Mont
I'm pretty sure the salient points can be translated to more accessible - if less philosophically precise - language. I would like to see that version widely disseminated....
.... so the important message could be ignored by a wider range of readers.
[sigh] I've been here before, in several formats.[!sigh]


Quoting Baden
It's always worth a try. :strong:


Both seem to have shared the desire: to disseminate the important message. Whatever that is. So that it reaches a wider audience. Perhaps it needs to be tailored, the specialist language adjusted to fit into the spectrum. Translated and interpreted without loss of meaning. To reach out. To improve understanding. Knowledge is power.

* I am not the one to lead a reading group...or even start a thread...right now. But I'd be there...




Hanover July 07, 2025 at 13:02 #999155
@Baden

Quoting Moliere
This essay amounts to a critique of a consumerist culture that is driven by technology and rooted in capitalism. The proximate goal is not to suggest alternative political systems but to offer conceptual tools to help protect free subjectivity as a creative and self-creating force through presenting in a brief introductory way a theory concerning its cultural situatedness.


Isn't this the Frankfurt school response, meaning we should impose ways to disrupt the capitalist takeover of technology for its malevolent purposes as opposed to traditional Marxists who would advocate removal of technology from private ownership and placing it back into the hands of the citizens?

Quoting Moliere
Meaning is use [11] because use manifests this intelligibility, expressing in communicative acts the relation between an individual's neurological patternings of understandings of a concept and the social patternings of brains that share understandings of the concept. The behavioral expressions of this web of interwoven patterns, this web of webbed nodes, simultaneously express and define meaning because they represent social instantiations of this web and—in successful communication—reinforce its structure in accordance with those instantiations. This interdependence makes language both stable and mutable. Stable in that webs of linguistic meaning are self-reinforcing through communicative acts, but mutable in that the boundaries of what is considered successful communication are not absolutely fixed but depend on social and human contexts that are changeable. So, we cannot fully pin down or exhaust the meaning of a word, for example, through a dictionary defnition; there is always an excess to meaning that can expand or redirect itself. The fact that words change meaning over time, sometimes very quickly, is testament to this.


This feels like you're trying to ulitmately ground meaning not just in use but in some internal meaning within the speaker, which would I'd submit goes beyond classic Wittgensteinian thought. You're treading in the silent area and starting to sound social sciencey.

Quoting Moliere
The latter, toxic, mode of action of social life seems more and more apparent in contemporary technologically driven cultures occurring through, for example:

1. The bureaucratization of cognition (the capturing of cognitive capacity for uncreative calculative labour limited to reproducing systemic functionality)
2. (Negative) exteriorization / algorithmic outsourcing (the general stultifying of mental development through the replacement of cognitive tasks by algorithmic processes)
3. Semantic flattening (the dulling and standardization of language use towards reflexive repetition of codes of systemic reproduction)
4. Behavioural conditioning (the limiting of imaginative capacity and creative potential by the channeling of behaviour into operationally defined grooves)

When these processes dominate society, we fall into what Stiegler refers to as a “proletarianization” of mind, a general mindset unaware and / or unwilling to potentialize itself except as a function of the system in which it partakes, a society of individuals who cannot see themselves beyond how society sees them and define themselves limitedly as such [9]. Part of addressing that problem, of course, is promoting knowledge of the problem as a means to stimulate thought and action, and in a society that seems to be becoming ever more reflexive, encouraging reflection seems crucial. Of course, the weapon of the theorist in this effort is the theory itself, an idea through which we will now take a detour.


You point here to an absolute free will that submits to control, perhaps as the result of over-whelming influence or even laziness, but your theory requires a spirit that ultimately can resist if it wants. I say this to point out you're referencing what appears to be an inpenetrable soul, set aside to do battle if it wants (again an all powerful Will) and a clear assessment that virtue lies in its resistence, perhaps it's its highest purpose, to remain true to itself.Quoting Moliere
A theory as EKM then is an epistemic protective that aims to catalyze active reflection against passive reflexivity.


Your EKM sounds like time set aside to comtemplate your higher purpose, reserved for study of those things that most enhance your humanity, removed from the mechanistic daily activities that define the better part of our lives. Hopefully to annoy you, I'll point out you've just arrived at a rule that sounds like we should set aside a special day and keep it holy.Quoting Moliere
The freedom to say “no” to economic imperatives is concomitantly marginalized along with anyone who dares exercise it. Further, while the full spectrum of human agency seems to offer the mutative and creative perturbations in societies that may allow for advance, there is no ironclad reason to think technocapitalism cannot as previously mentioned, evolve towards an increasingly limited form of freedom and, by extension, subjectivity.


But there's every reason to think it cannot limit freedom because you've posited in your theory an absolute ability to say "no" that lurks within us. If it weren't there, your post would be just a prophecy of doom, but you offer a solution (the EKM), which means your position is optimistic, stating that humanity has the means to prevail at every turn. It's just a matter of calling attention to the ability to say "no."

My general thought is that yours is an accurate concern from both the right and the left, and you offer a defense to this overwhelming impact of negative cultural influences (which you identify generally as "capitalism") which is to remember you are a human being with choice with a much higher purpose than submission to the will of the financially ambitious. But I think it goes well beyond captialism. It's most values you see displayed on TikTok. Our defense is to remember our higher calling. You identify that from the left as revealed through the humanities. The right is essentially saying the same thing just different words.
I like sushi July 15, 2025 at 09:38 #1000560
Quoting Hanover
Isn't this the Frankfurt school response, meaning we should impose ways to disrupt the capitalist takeover of technology for its malevolent purposes as opposed to traditional Marxists who would advocate removal of technology from private ownership and placing it back into the hands of the citizens?


It is Han's 'Psychopolitics: Neoliberalism and New Technologies of Power'. For whatever reason Baden forgot to cite the main contributing source for this essay. His ideas are basically the bones holding this essay together.

And he has read Han:

Quoting Baden
This really resonates with my recent readings (Schiller on aesthetics, Byung-Chul Han on technocapitalism, and John Gray on Utopian engineering), and it represents just the type of thinking we need now with the gap between ideological "freedom" and actual freedom becoming ever wider.


There are more than strong echoes from The Burnout Society too, of which Psychopolitics was a follow up.
Baden August 13, 2025 at 16:34 #1006814
Reply to Amity Reply to Leontiskos Reply to Moliere Reply to I like sushi
Reply to Jamal Reply to Hanover

Apologies to all of you. I went on a very long break.

Recalibrating...
Amity August 13, 2025 at 19:24 #1006836
Quoting Baden
Apologies to all of you. I went on a very long break.


:up:
I have no need or desire to continue the discussion. Thanks for everything. Take care :pray: :flower:
Baden August 14, 2025 at 09:03 #1006979
Quoting I like sushi
It is Han's 'Psychopolitics: Neoliberalism and New Technologies of Power'. For whatever reason Baden forgot to cite the main contributing source for this essay.


I haven't read that one actually. I've only read "Infocracy". I'm a bit sceptical that the book you mention is that close to my essay in content, but I am tempted to read it to check.
Baden August 14, 2025 at 13:58 #1007036
@I like sushi So, I've read about half of that book already (it's a short book). It addresses a similar context but with a different focus (and there are a bunch of books that address this context, so I'm not sure why you thought this one was so special---e.g. I see no mention of systems theory yet, which is central to my essay). Also, ironically, in the book, Han acknowledges his debt for the term "psychopolitics" to Stiegler''s "psychopower", and I have read and did quote Stiegler. Anyway, the book does not at all follow the structure of my essay, but yes, we are talking, along with many others, about the same context, and the first few pages on freedom strike a similar note to my comments. Han's particular focus so far has been a critical extension of Foucault's "biopolitics" to a "psychopolitics" in the context of neoliberalism, which is interesting but, again, not my angle of approach.

@Amity If you haven't read him yet and are still interested, Han is a good accessible gateway into this kind of stuff.

Outlander August 14, 2025 at 14:13 #1007038
Quoting Baden
I haven't read that one actually. I've only read "Infocracy". I'm a bit sceptical that the book you mention is that close to my essay in content, but I am tempted to read it to check.


[4 hours later]

Quoting Baden
So, I've read about half of that book already


Props. Or yikes. :grimace:

Hard to tell. Bit envious of the schedule, access to resources, and quality of life, if nothing else. :razz:
Baden August 14, 2025 at 14:18 #1007040
Reply to Outlander

:grin: Like "Infocracy" (which I read in a day too), it's a really short book. I'm no @Streetlight when it comes to reading, but it's the type of thing where you can stick it on text-to-speech and it pretty much flows.
Baden August 16, 2025 at 08:04 #1007556
Quoting Hanover
My general thought is that yours is an accurate concern from both the right and the left, and you offer a defense to this overwhelming impact of negative cultural influences (which you identify generally as "capitalism") which is to remember you are a human being with choice with a much higher purpose than submission to the will of the financially ambitious. But I think it goes well beyond captialism. It's most values you see displayed on TikTok. Our defense is to remember our higher calling. You identify that from the left as revealed through the humanities. The right is essentially saying the same thing just different words.


Yes, and let’s take this as a jumping off point because I think it’s important. What I’m presenting here is political in that it concerns power relations, but it’s not political in terms of taking a clear side on the traditional left-right wing divide. For example, Luhmann, who is central to my essay, is considered by many to be a conservative thinker. And I want to synthesize his ideas with other thinkers that most would consider to be on the left. So, this is certainly not a Marxist or even a neo-Marxist critique. The relevance of class struggle has been so diluted even in neo-Marxist thought (and Frankfurt school thinkers such as Marcuse have been part of this process) that a purely Marxist founded critique of advanced technocapitalism doesn’t even seem coherent to me (when does neo-Marxism become so stretched by current conditions that it is no longer Marxism?). Technocapitalism has made Marx, if not irrelevant, at least orthogonal to the current social context (we can connect Marxist thought but it doesn’t really “line up” with what we’re facing).

This is part of why technocapitalism is ensuring its own success. You cannot have a revolution without revolutionaries and you cannot have revolutionaries without something like class that clearly binds them. And the working class was clearly bound in the past because the reality of their life was dominated by a particular form of work that could be analyzed in terms of exploitation. Reality now is determined by a particular form of leisure, the consumption of media, that can also be analysed in terms of exploitation, but does not delineate class boundaries. This is our contemporary constant. Modernity is “liquid” (a la Bauman) in terms of the work that we do: opportunities to change jobs, reeducate ourselves etc. It is leisure exploitation that is the new concrete and it has been democratized. The janitor and the manager spend their leisure time similarly, have similar experiences while doing so, consume similar forms of junk, and are similarly pathologized and addicted.

So, my concern in terms of power relations and exploitation is, in a certain way, as fundamental and removed from particular ideological positions as possible. It is ideology itself in a general sense in the form of communications, that is exploiting and transforming us in its image. Communications as the operational medium of social systems have found ways to steer and manipulate consciousness and, by extension, the body in ways that are self-fulfilling and self-propelling to the point where we can envisage a theoretical dystopia where language itself “escapes” or transcends the human (perhaps via AI) such that we become purely its substrate. That is, the end of ontological freedom, not as repression but as effacement, is potentially in sight. This is Stiegler’s “psychopower” / Han’s “psychopolitics” as an extension of Foucault's “biopolitics” taken to its ultimate conclusion.

If you want a political movement as a target, it could be neoliberalism, as its social and economic project combine in ways very facilitative of global technocapitalism's onward march. But this again does not really establish a left/right divide. Trump is as anti-neoliberal in some respects (as are many non-populist conservatives on social issues) as the left are. Anti-immigrationism is anti-neoliberalism, only the object of disenchantment is displaced from the ideology to the group. And so, the conflict between left and right on this issue is misplaced and confused. If the left don’t stand up for culture, they are feeding the technocapitalist monster that would homogenize us all, and if the right don’t shift their focus to the underlying cause, they are doing the same. The structure of communications as autopoetic system functions to obscure itself, at least partly, by dividing us on issues that are not fundamental to the problems we face as free subjects trying to organize ourselves in ways that maximize our freedom-as-subjectivity, individually and collectively— that allow for our existence as creative, reflective, analytical, and, therefore, empowered beings.

So, what is at stake fundamentally here is power and its transfer not primarily from one political group or class to another but from the human to the non-human. My message to the lefty is to go out and hug your conservative neighbour, tell them “I hate Tik Tok too!”, and then, together, get to (metaphorically…) burning down the tech companies that are weaponizing such shite against us all.
Hanover August 16, 2025 at 16:53 #1007621
Reply to Baden Fascinating stuff. I see that Han argues protection against this encroachment against our humanity is engagement in communal ritual. While not advocating specifically religious ritual, it would seem that those subscribing to those beliefs and practices would have a certain immunity to the problem you identify, perhaps even more than one who practiced ritual secularly. The practices of the religious tend to be more committed and less fragile to immediate persuasion.

The idea that freedom arises from the routine practice of rites seems a surprising result to come from a secular perspective. A harkening back to the simplicity of antiquity to save us from the dehumanization of modernerity. I'm not oversimplifying this to Han just being a luddite or even being opposed to technology per se, but it does seem he's trying to establish a barrier against the continued evolution of technological control over society.

I recognize I've hijacked Han's view here to some extent to fit my worldview, and I realize a great chasm between the justification of my adherence to custom and his (covenantal versus utilitarian/protective), but I can't help but to see the similarities and wonder if an arguable thesis doesn't exist that ritual arose evolutionarily for the very purposes Han identifies. This problem is therefore just another consequence of our killing God.

I'm not overstating, just thinking out loud. I recognize that societies rigidly affixed to religion face a host of probably more serious problems than the democratization of social control by the handing out of TikTok candy and whatnot. I also see your point that today's subjugation isn"t just limited to the Clampetts (I'll let you Google this reference), but also the Gatsby's (piece of shit novel, for the record).
Baden August 16, 2025 at 17:16 #1007629
Reply to Hanover

Yeah, we need more real virtual magic and less virtual virtual magic (there is of course no non-oxymoronic purely real magic as the" real" is either the inaccessible or the scientific). That is, we ought make magical the unmediated socio-symbolic virtual, that which we can directly jointly believe despite its ostensible unreality. And shared rites/rituals of a proto-religious nature seem like a good candidate. Let's just agree to believe. How hard can it be? Primitive folk got busy with it. But they weren`t the Flintstones watching David Copperfield on Limestone TVs. Virtual virtual magic is just gravity-defying hair that momentarily distracts you from your hotdog. That's to say if you'll be L. Ron Hubbard, I'll be your Tom Cruise. Let's just take the Hollywood out of it. Bye, bye Beverly Hills. We can be the reverse-Clampetts.
Baden August 17, 2025 at 13:29 #1007793
Quoting Moliere
Just reread trying to look for an "in" for discussion. And the thing I'm wanting more of is specification of these enzymatic knowledge machines: How do they interact with the independent flows of code such that in place of identification, or in combatting this?, we get or somehow are interrupted by knowledge? But that's a Kudos on your writing because it means I wanted more, basically. It's an interesting premise, and I like the theoretical set up between what I would call, for lack of a better word, two subjectivities -- the social subjectivity (operating independent of individual intent) and the individual subjectivity (that sense of being you which, due to social subjectivity, is often a process of identification-with and enactment).

A thought that comes to mind are Koans. They're meant to stop that circuit of the self in a way.


Thanks for this comment, Moliere, It gives me a chance to say a bit more about the EKM idea.

The first reason to posit theories like this as “enzymatic knowledge machines”, i.e. as assemblages of functional abstractions that coordinate and can be “plugged into” our mental machinery is to highlight the nature of what we are up against---that is, to set up the obverse, the media machine, which as a whole system and through the action of sub-systems, also “plugs into” us, but in a negative sense.

We might call media systems “anaesthetic information machines”---they neither promote knowledge nor activity in any positive sense but offer passivity through information or the illusion of activity and knowledge. So, we attempt to concretize the abstract such that we can focus on how things function and not be distracted by the fact that we can’t “see” a thing function at the level that matters. Natural and artificial machines, such as organisms and robots respectively, can’t so easily escape our notice, and we may even overestimate their functionality for that reason, whereas the opposite is the case when dealing with abstract assemblages. So, the first idea is to get people thinking about the abstract landscape and its functionality not just from the EKM side but from the opposing side. The EKM first and foremost is a warning.

Another point here is that conceptualisation is creation. By conceptualising theories of action as enzymatic machines, we create them as such and make positive use of philosophy (this dovetails with Deleuzian ideas of the nature of philosophy itself). The idea is to create territories of thought on which ground we have a chance of success. Traditional politics gets us nowhere as the real problem is always displaced. No politician is going to say we should limit tech companies activities because they are creating abstract machinic assemblages that parasitise our mental machinery. They are instead going to blab on about something like “privacy” or etc, which the tech companies love because then they just give us a list of check boxes that we can’t be bothered ticking and we’re back to square one. The machine rolls on.

Overall, the idea is to create conceptual spaces that lead to action to combat conceptual vacuums that lead to passivity. Poetry, art, koans, etc can certainly break the circuit and bring us back to ourselves in a way that helps us resist anaesthetic information machines, but they don’t give us a conceptual grounding on which to be confident in our understanding of them and therefore to actively combat them. I envision a future where people in general are educated about how society, and particularly its technological side, really works at an abstract level in relation to their subjectivites, rather than at a step removed. But we need to create a language and a set of concepts to talk about that that go beyond what we have now (which includes poetry, koans etc) to something more philosophical/scientific. Technology is accelerating its development, and our conceptual space needs to accelerate and expand to keep up or, frankly, we will be left behind.