Who is the Legitimate Author of the Constitution?

Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 15:21 1675 views 55 comments




Introduction

The constitution is often described as the “supreme law of the land,” the foundational text from which all other laws derive legitimacy. Yet one question is almost always left in the shadows: Who is the legitimate author of the constitution itself? If the constitution governs everyone, by what authority, and by whose hand, does it come into being? This question reveals a profound paradox at the heart of political philosophy: every proposed author—be it a ruler, an elite class, the wise, or the people—appears flawed.


I. Tyranny, Oligarchy, Noocracy, Majoritarianism: The Dilemma of Authorship

1. A tyrant writing the constitution is plainly illegitimate, for it becomes an instrument of one will imposed upon all.
2. An oligarchy of representatives is equally suspect. Once elected, representatives function as temporary sovereigns, insulated from direct accountability until reelection. This creates what might be called managed oligarchy, governance by elites with a democratic mask.
3. A noocracy of the wise appears attractive, since it promises rationality and foresight. Yet who designates the wise, and who guards them against corruption? Noocracy risks becoming enlightened autocracy.
4. The people themselves, through direct democracy, embody legitimacy in the purest sense. Yet majoritarianism risks trampling minorities, favoring passions over reason, and substituting numbers for justice.

Thus, every candidate for constitutional authorship appears either unjust or unstable.


II. Philosophical Attempts to Resolve the Question

• Plato offered philosopher-kings, privileging wisdom over consent.
• Aristotle sought balance, a “mixed” constitution blending elements of monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy.
• Hobbes grounded constitutions in the surrender of all power to a sovereign for the sake of peace.
• Locke argued for consent and natural rights, yet limited suffrage made his system oligarchic.
• Rousseau envisioned the “general will” of the people as supreme, but this risks majoritarian tyranny.
• Modern constitutionalism avoids authorship debates by emphasizing process: checks, balances, rights, and amendment procedures. Yet even here, representatives are the gatekeepers of change, sustaining the oligarchic problem.

Each tradition gestures toward legitimacy but fails to resolve the authorship dilemma.


III. The Limits of Representative and Direct Democracy

• Representative democracy degenerates into oligarchy through tenure and privilege. The representatives, once seated, legislate with near-sovereign power, often detached from the people’s will.
• Direct democracy appears more authentic, but scales poorly in modern states. It risks devolving into majoritarian despotism, sacrificing minorities and wisdom to the rule of numbers.

Thus, neither system provides a fully satisfactory author for the constitution.


IV. Minarchism as an Alternative

If no group can claim legitimate authorship of the constitution, perhaps the question itself must be reimagined. What if the constitution is not needed as an elaborate architecture of power? What if its very ambition is the source of its illegitimacy?

Minarchism proposes a minimal state, one restricted to essential functions: defense, policing, and courts. Under this vision:

• There is no entrenched legislature with tenure privilege.
• Power is skeletal, designed only to protect life, liberty, and property.
• Governance, where necessary, may rotate or be subject to constant recall, preventing oligarchic capture.
• The risk of majoritarianism diminishes, since the state has little scope to impose the will of the majority on minorities.

Minarchism does not solve the problem of authorship by naming a new author. Instead, it reduces the constitution’s scope so drastically that authorship ceases to be a pressing concern. A minimal framework can be drafted by temporary bodies and revised by consent, while the bulk of human life remains beyond the reach of constitutional power.


V. Toward an Answer

The search for a legitimate author of the constitution may be in vain. Tyrants, elites, wise men, and majorities alike are flawed authors. Perhaps, then, the constitution is not a document to be perfectly authored once and for all, but a framework that is modest, revisable, and deliberately self-limiting.

If legitimacy cannot be found in any singular author, it may be found in the absence of authorship altogether — in a system so minimal that no one’s hand rests heavily upon it. Minarchism emerges not as utopia, but as a pragmatic resolution: when the constitution’s authority cannot be grounded in a flawless author, it can be grounded in its own modesty, in the fact that it governs as little as possible.


Conclusion

So, who is the legitimate author of the constitution? The answer may be: no one. Tyranny, oligarchy, noocracy, and majoritarianism all falter as authors. The only path forward is either a constitution that continually rewrites itself through open participation, or a constitution so minimal that authorship no longer matters. Legitimacy may not come from the origin of the constitution, but from its restraint — from a system that governs lightly enough for the people to live freely, without rulers disguised as authors.

Comments (55)

I like sushi October 05, 2025 at 16:21 #1016517
The cultural climate dictates the laws from generation to generation. This is almost certainly the case back to the dawn of civilization.
Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 16:32 #1016522
Reply to I like sushi Who writes it?
I like sushi October 05, 2025 at 16:40 #1016527
Reply to Copernicus People? If they 'write' it at all.

Popper refers to Closed and Open Society. Maybe there is something in that that may help you? Any idiot can write something and call it a Law. This is only true for the society they live in if people agree to it and adhere to it for the most part.

Items like taking someone's life are generally considered taboo in all communities.
Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 16:47 #1016532
Reply to I like sushi How do millions (or billions for India and China) of people come under the same roof and draft a publicly acclaimed constitution?
I like sushi October 05, 2025 at 16:56 #1016534
Reply to Copernicus I thought it was clear I was talking about a larger time scale hence:

Quoting I like sushi
The cultural climate dictates the laws from generation to generation. This is almost certainly the case back to the dawn of civilization.


Either way, the same kind of civilization building around the globe has generally resulted in people choosing Human Rule over the harsh realities that mother nature threw at them.

Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 16:58 #1016536
Reply to I like sushi WHO WRITES the constitution?
ChatteringMonkey October 05, 2025 at 17:01 #1016538
Reply to Copernicus The mandate of heaven.

There's always going to be people and groups vying for power in some way or another.

People in power will determine what the constitution looks like, by and large.

But if they diverge from what people want so bad they risk revolt and losing the mandate of heaven.... and then you get another group with the power to change what's in the constitution, probably more in line with what people want.

So yes, there is no legitimate author, but you will have an author.

In a way Hobbes was closest to mark. The last thing one wants is a constant war of everybody against everybody as that is worse for everybody in the long run, so it makes sense to trade some freedoms for peace.
Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 17:05 #1016540
Reply to ChatteringMonkey What's your take on minarchism?
Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 17:06 #1016541
Quoting ChatteringMonkey
The mandate of heaven


Theocracy? What if the people are secular and prefer free will?
I like sushi October 05, 2025 at 17:16 #1016547
Reply to Copernicus It sounds like you know the answer to your own question. So WHO?
ChatteringMonkey October 05, 2025 at 17:18 #1016551
Reply to Copernicus Not theocracy, the Chinese are secular-ish... It's just the idea that those in power can rule, until they have shown to be unworthy of ruling.

I'm probably in favour of a kind of minimal state, though I think our societies have become so complex and highly technological that a lot would probably have to be included in that minimum. To give an example, you probably need some kind of environmental regulation now that we have the capacity to pollute as much as we do. That used to be less of an issue.
Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 17:18 #1016552
Reply to I like sushi No Constitution seems to be the only answer.

I presented the options with counterarguments to see if any of you can come up with an alternative.
Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 17:20 #1016553
Reply to ChatteringMonkey I see. I'd love your counterarguments against minarchism.
I like sushi October 05, 2025 at 17:34 #1016557
Reply to Copernicus I already told you I decide how I act in relation to whatever the law says. This means if I really wanted to kill someone I would. Laws do not necessarily stop anyone from doing anything.

The State means nothing to me. I am a human. In reality I do adhere to rules because I either agree with them, or it is a necessary trade off. I judge what to do.

I do nto think it is right to punch people, steal money from people or kill people. It is not hte law that makes me think this way. In effect, a lot of what I do is what I believe to be just. I am no saint, so I do undoubtedly make mistakes.

I abhor the idea of people looking to some body of laws, so as to abscond from taking carefully considered acts. People usually choose tyranny over freedom (which is responsibility).
Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 17:37 #1016559
Reply to I like sushi but there are laws and that makes you a criminal.
I like sushi October 05, 2025 at 17:45 #1016562
Reply to Copernicus It makes me a criminal? How so? You think I have killed people. Even if I had if there is no evidence then it does not matter what the law is.

If law said to rape every girl with blonde hair you saw on a bus would you do it. Generally speaking we act as our conscience dictates not the laws of the land.
Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 17:46 #1016563
Reply to I like sushi Quoting I like sushi
we act as our conscience dictates not the laws of the land.


but jail/police doesn't follow your conscience.
I like sushi October 05, 2025 at 17:55 #1016567
Reply to Copernicus So you would rape girls with blonde hair if they used buses if it was the law? Come on!

The laws are not rules to live by. They are forms of Positive Liberty put in place to protect individuals. They can, and are, misused. People overtime force governing bodies to amend laws or throw them out.

Generally spekaing Negative Liberty trumps Positive.
Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 17:58 #1016570
Reply to I like sushi unless you live in a world with no formal law or government or police, i don't know what you're talking about.
I like sushi October 05, 2025 at 18:00 #1016571
Reply to Copernicus 'Possible Worlds'
Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 18:01 #1016573
Reply to I like sushi I'm talking about the world you and I live in.
I like sushi October 05, 2025 at 18:13 #1016577
Reply to Copernicus It is quite simple. If there is a law you find abhorent woudl you follow it anyway just because it was the law. Obviously not.

The law/police do not dictate how people behave, although they do undoubtedly influence many decisions people make.
Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 18:14 #1016578
Reply to I like sushi

I'm talking consequences here.
I like sushi October 05, 2025 at 18:19 #1016581
Reply to Copernicus Consequences of breaking laws may be good or bad.
Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 18:21 #1016582
It puts you in jail.

Suggest a solution on who should write the constitution?
Outlander October 05, 2025 at 18:24 #1016583
This reminds me of an argument or "systems model" (not sure if I'm using that correctly) one of the mods brought up a while back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

Bit of an aft reference but relevant (I would assume) since we're talking about a body or structure composed of multiple pieces or components contributed by multiple persons.

Kind of a "at what point does an antique house become modern after one too many renovations/replacements" way of framing the conversation.

Otherwise, it's simply "multiple authors." Not really that philosophical, perhaps? Not sure. :chin:
Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 18:32 #1016584
Reply to Outlander Can you point out where in my argument you found a flaw and counter it by quoting it?
I like sushi October 05, 2025 at 18:34 #1016585
Reply to Copernicus Who is living in the real world now? Any suggestions you make will not change the reality.

Bye. Done here.
Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 18:37 #1016588
Reply to I like sushi There is doctrine, there is hypothesis, then there is fantasy.

I'm touching on doctrine here.
ChatteringMonkey October 05, 2025 at 18:43 #1016589
Reply to Copernicus Ok start here.

Does illegitimacy even have meaning absent any legal order? Isn't legitimacy only a thing if there is already an established (legal) order? Or what do you take the word to mean?

And if it indeed doesn't have meaning in that case, then the whole question of what is a legitimate author of a constitution is in fact a meaningless question, and consequently the whole argumentation following that has no real basis.
Copernicus October 05, 2025 at 18:46 #1016591
Quoting ChatteringMonkey
Isn't legitimacy only a thing if there is already an established (legal) order? Or what do you take the word to mean?


take it as "logical or acceptable in principle".
Outlander October 05, 2025 at 19:22 #1016595
Quoting Copernicus
take it as "logical or acceptable in principle".


Isn't this far too generic? As my favorite euphemism I've read on this site goes "there are far too many tails pinned on that donkey for it to have any sort of clear, singular (rather, usable and feasible) meaning."

One man's principle is generally defined on his upbringing and life experience or otherwise cultural and societal norms. The worst things you could imagine are "acceptable in principle" depending on who you're asking or for example if one is fighting a war.

If something is "logical or acceptable in principle", while it does enforce logic so something utopian or otherwise silly but otherwise exclusively "acceptable" in principle, such as, all men should live in peace and not commit crimes, still seems to be far too subjective and varying to offer any sort of grounds as far as universal justifications are concerned. Doesn't it?

Edit: I'll respond to your request to list any flaws I may or may not find in your OP shortly. I'm not intimately familiar with "minarchism" so wish to read up on it a bit more before providing a response.
Ciceronianus October 05, 2025 at 21:08 #1016608
I wonder if our fascination with questions that don't matter has ever been given serious study. But now I think of it, that may not matter either.
Outlander October 05, 2025 at 21:17 #1016611
Quoting Ciceronianus
I wonder if our fascination with questions that don't matter has ever been given serious study. But now I think of it, that may not matter either.


One man's trash is another man's treasure.

Not all that glitters is gold.

A drop of wine in a vat of sewage is still sewage; a drop of sewage in a vat of wine is now a vat of sewage.

Ignorance is bliss, delusion is honey; Together, man thinks himself a god, knowing all there is to know, thus alleviating his existential fears of mortality and shame, yet all while remaining a simple child.
Ciceronianus October 05, 2025 at 21:40 #1016615
Reply to Outlander
Perhaps. But one should ask oneself, sometimes at least, what is achieved. Even if we merely play games, then at least there's a winner and loser.
Outlander October 05, 2025 at 22:04 #1016628
Quoting Ciceronianus
what is achieved.


We are blind in this world. We have senses, such as they are. But they are nothing suitable to understand the vastness of the universe. We poke and prod into the abyss, finding so-called "answers", at least things that satisfy our most primal senses, food, comfort, safety, entertainment, things a chipmunk also seeks and finds to satisfaction. But what of it?

Quoting Ciceronianus
Even if we merely play games, then at least there's a winner and loser.


The things people living an unexamined life consider the most important are actually the silliest and trivial of games, the least important of anything a man can do or ever hope to accomplish. In these falsehoods, so-called winners "lose" all opportunity of bettering one's self and learning from others who managed to make it as far as they have, while so-called losers "win" the unquenchable fire of a forced life of eternal betterment. Upon realizing such, we realize such childish mindsets produce no winners, but simple degrees of self-denial in all who embrace them.

Can you not see that? What madness is this?
Copernicus October 06, 2025 at 06:04 #1016691
Quoting Ciceronianus
I wonder if our fascination with questions that don't matter has ever been given serious study. But now I think of it, that may not matter either.


Principles are more important than practicality. It sets the standard for our actions.

When you break the principles, be it secular or religious, you get an estimation of how deviant your actions have become. You feel bad when you go so far. Even though you're not following the principles line by line, it's working as a compass. But when there is no principle, you'll have no direction. You'll have no restraint. You'll have nothing to shape your life. Be it personal moral codes or societal. Much like law and order.
Copernicus October 06, 2025 at 06:07 #1016692
Quoting Outlander
Isn't this far too generic?


You're right, principles can have subjective value. But doctrines are universally codified. You can choose to follow them or make something out of it (upon which it becomes a new doctrine).

Such as communism ? socialism, nihilism ? absurdism, etc.
Astorre October 06, 2025 at 06:38 #1016696
Reply to Copernicus

For the sake of fairness, I would like to add a few authors that you did not mention:

1. Philosophers and their ideas: The works of philosophers form the intellectual foundation, but they may be disconnected from the real needs of society.

2. External trends: Fashionable social formations influence constitutions, but they risk ignoring local characteristics.

3. Direct foreign intervention: Constitutions created under the pressure of external forces often serve the interests of foreigners rather than the people.

4. Historical traditions and cultural norms: Constitutions may rely on established traditions, but this can hinder reforms and innovations by perpetuating outdated structures.
Copernicus October 06, 2025 at 08:12 #1016709
Reply to Astorre we're discussing the rightful authorship from idealistic/principial grounds. The components of the constitution is not in question here.
Astorre October 06, 2025 at 08:24 #1016711
Reply to Copernicus

What was the idea? You wrote a post in the spirit of the Age of Enlightenment, with elements of sentimentalism and romanticism (like Rousseau or Locke). But we're in the 21st century, the era of postpositivism, relativism, post-structuralism, and much more.

If your question is about a standard (like the standards at the Paris Chamber of Weights and Measures), that's one thing. But if we're talking about something practically useful and modern, that's something else entirely.
Copernicus October 06, 2025 at 08:36 #1016714
Reply to Astorre I used them as a reference. Do you have any answer to the initial question?
Astorre October 06, 2025 at 09:11 #1016719
Reply to Copernicus

I don't have an answer to your question with these initial data.
But I have another answer, in the spirit of processual ontology with elements of the Apokrisis approach, proposed in another thread, as well as a post-positivist approach.

In short, the idea is that there is no single author or factor that influences a constitution to a sufficient degree to merit the title of its author. A constitution is the result of the consensus of a very large number of participants. A constitution is often rewritten and supplemented, depending on the circumstances. A constitution is not the source of everything—it is merely a document that takes into account the interests of all its authors, including the invisible ones. And, most importantly, a constitution is not "given"; a constitution is not a substance or a matter. A constitution is an ongoing process. A very complex process determined by many factors (even the invention of AI or cryptocurrency can influence a constitution). If a constitution turns into a dead set of dogmas enshrined in the 18th century, its value is close to zero. A constitution must be constantly applicable.

I'd also like to point out that a constitution isn't exactly an ancient invention. The earliest known constitution in the modern sense is the US Constitution, adopted in 1787. Although similar documents existed before that (for example, the Magna Carta of 1215 in England), they weren't constitutions in the true sense, as they didn't establish a comprehensive system of government. So, that's 238 years. States, in the sense of organized political structures with centralized power, have existed for approximately 5,500 years. Clearly, a constitution isn't necessary for a state to exist. By this, I'd like to suggest that tomorrow, one might not be necessary.
Copernicus October 06, 2025 at 09:13 #1016720
Reply to Astorre Why not support my argument of a minarchist state with no constitution, then?
Astorre October 06, 2025 at 09:15 #1016721
Reply to Copernicus
I don't like the idea of ??a state without a constitution.
Copernicus October 06, 2025 at 09:33 #1016723
Reply to Astorre You couldn't provide a viable solution either.
Astorre October 06, 2025 at 09:39 #1016725
Reply to Copernicus

Must I have?
Copernicus October 06, 2025 at 09:41 #1016726
Reply to Astorre Was expected.
Ciceronianus October 06, 2025 at 10:36 #1016736
Reply to Copernicus
If the Constitution is changed, or abolished, it will have no more to do with whether it's "legitimate" than when it was created. Systems of law exist regardless of morality or principles. Laws apply whether they're good or bad.
Copernicus October 06, 2025 at 10:37 #1016737
Reply to Ciceronianus who gets to write it?
Copernicus October 14, 2025 at 10:20 #1018515
Quoting Astorre
I don't like the idea of ??a state without a constitution.


Why do we need a state?
unenlightened October 21, 2025 at 09:27 #1020047
Quoting Copernicus
Why do we need a state?


Who is this "we" you speak of?
"We" need a state because if it is not our state, then it is anybody's state and may become their state.


Any territory (a piece of land) is in some state or other. It may be a state of wilderness, or a state of anarchy, a state of war, a state of transition, a state of tribal occupation, or even a state of the union.

So to answer your original question; The Constitution was written by a bunch of invading and marauding white men in an attempt to lend a veneer of moral legitimacy to their theft of the entire continent from the original inhabitants and the systematic persecution and slaughter of the same.

Jolly good luck with ending that immoral hegemony, but I won't be holding my breath. (I think this makes me officially an 'enemy of the people', where 'we' is 'the people' of the constitution.)
Copernicus October 22, 2025 at 14:31 #1020276
Quoting unenlightened
"We" need a state because if it is not our state, then it is anybody's state and may become their state.


Why do we need a community?
unenlightened October 22, 2025 at 19:21 #1020340
Quoting Copernicus
Why do we need a community?


I don't; you don't; but we do. As soon as you ask a question, you are in a relationship that constitutes a community. And you do keep asking questions, like a dependent child - even your rhetorical questions illustrate your dependency; stop waiting for responses to your silliness, and get on with something of your own, if you imagine you have anything at all of your own.
bert1 October 22, 2025 at 19:38 #1020345
I've been involved in the set up of a couple of democratically constituted organisations, and there is always an awkward bit at the start, as sort of pre-creational, pre-symmetry breaking standing around and talking bit, where someone says, "OK, let's say this is how it's going to work" and makes a suggestion, writes it down, and then if a few people assent to it, a constitution is born. Then everyone can relax, the constitution gains a legitimacy separate from its author (who is then bound by it) and the whole thing starts off. The longer it lasts without challenge, and the more people consent to it, the more legitimacy it has. The original author doesn't need to possess any intrinsic legitimacy that the constitution must inherit.